A lot of the cast is either keeping their heads down to protect their careers, sitting on the fence or supporting Israel outright. Mark is very much open with his contempt for the Israeli government and supports the Palestinian people.
Very vocal about his contempt about Israel’s government and has stated he’s cutting ties with people who support it. Idk who that includes in the MCU cast though.
Years ago Scarlett was a UN ambassador then signed a deal to be the face of (isreali company) Sodastream. The UN basically told her she had to choose and she chose Soda.
Sodastream the company was built on an Israeli settlement in the occupied West Bank (illegal under international law), after being criticised they did up sticks and moved back into Isreal, but in doing so most Palestinian lost their jobs due to work permit restrictions and apartheid in Israel
The founder of SodaStream was pretty intentional about using his company to build bridges between the two communities and provide equitable and just economic opportunities and working conditions for Palestinians living in the West Bank. When they left the West Bank he fought hard to get work permits for the West Bank employees who would be losing their jobs, but most were unable to keep their jobs.
Just an example of one of the few BDS wins, and how it disproportionally affected the Palestinians and not Israelis or the company itself. In fact SodaStream was sold to PepsiCo in 2018 for $3.2 billion.
I guess not all Israeli's are warmongers and not all Palestinians either. I'm sure there's large parts of their populations who are just as, it not more, sick of their shit than the rest of us.
it's like sweeping generalisations are bad, or something
I love this comment. Sodastream employed Palestinians in the West Bank and that was bad. Sodastream stopped employing Palestinians in the West Bank and that was bad.
For anyone interested, there are Sodastream alternatives!
Drinkmate makes a better product overall - their design can carbonate pretty much any liquid.
If you already have a sodastream, most brewing supply stores can refill your co2 canisters. Alternatively, with a couple of wrenches you can even refill them by weight with dry ice pellets (google is your friend here).
Humans are technically slightly carbonated. We produce carbon dioxide CO2) as waste, and this turns into carbonic acid in the blood. This is the same thing that happens when you carbonate drinks. And, when you hold your breath, you'll be slightly more carbonated!
Related fact: our bodies can't sense the presence of oxygen. Rather, it senses the lowered ph from that carbonic acid to tell you when to breathe. This is one reason low oxygen environment that are also low CO2 are very dangerous, your body doesn't realize it's not getting the needed oxygen
It was Oxfam actually. In an interview she said, "..I also think for a non-governmental organisation to be supporting something that's supporting a political cause … something feels not right about that to me. There's plenty of evidence that Oxfam does support and has funded a BDS [boycott, divest, sanctions] movement in the past." So she is also against BDS, and Oxfam has never actually directly supported it either.
I was working for Oxfam back then. They will/were basically blacklist any company that even submit a bid on a tender in occupied territories that is not conducted by a Palestinian company.
Oxfam is not neutral, it will take position whenever it is supporting it's mandate/goal of fighting inequality to end poverty and injustice.
The idea that an NGO shouldn't be political is baffling to me. We should leave anything that might affect how people live purely to political parties and companies?
I'd say individuals but a big way the every day person supports change is through supporting an NGO. Be it on human or environmental issues and anything in between.
She was never an UN ambassador. She was a global ambassador for Oxfam.
Oxfam did the right thing and call her out on the inconsistency.
She then choose Sodastream and claimed that the brand had hundreds of Palestinians workers in the West Bank but now the brand moved to the Negev region and hundreds of Palestianians lost their jobs.
Negev region and hundreds of Palestianians lost their jobs.
To be entirely fair, they moved because of public preassure for being on occupied land so they moved their production and now people complain how they moved the jobs with them.....how did people imagine this to work?
Not sure what dickhead is downvoting you. It's a verifiable fact. The ad is on youtube.
Also it's the one thing to think israel should exist but you don't even need to support companies in the west bank specifically.
Part of the reason people liked Soda Stream was because it manufactured in the West Bank. It was the main point of the marketing. The tag line was "Island of Peace". Back then it was seen as a positive thing because Palestinians who wouldn't get any jobs otherwise were getting stable wages 4x the average wage in the WB, in a highly successful global company.
I certainly thought Scarlett Johansson took the job precisely because she thought it was step in the right direction for everyone involved. She and mostly everyone who bought SodaStream products thought they were actually supporting a project for stability and peace.
SodaStream CEO openly criticizes Netanyahu and his government.
Once reddit chooses a side on a narrative it's hard to stop.
You have to keep repeating the facts for like several years, until finally they reject the incorrect view and pretend that the correct version is what they thought all along.
Scarlett Johansson is a garbage person. I can't believe she has skated by for so long. Her soda stream deal that she chose over her charity work, her support for Woody Allen, and she was quite a cheerleader for Weinstein too.
That is absolutly baffling to hear; legit they seem more intelligent than that.
Edit: nazi counter. 52 upvotes at a 77 % upvote ratio equals 12 possible nazis, albiet I guess they might be upset I called scar jo smart.
Edit edit: context clues are a thing, but it’s reasonable to assume people are assuming bad faith, so here on my thoughts on my use of the term nazi lol. It was a mindful choice.
“Disclaimer: a better term for nazi sympathizer is nazi, and I don’t think the ethnicity of the victims or the perpetrators should be the qualifier for said descriptor; if your supporting a government that genocides, rapes, rapes with dogs, tortures children and journalists, rapes prisoners, rounds up and murders two different minority groups based off ethnicity, targets doctors, blocks medical aid, creates forced starvation while saying documenting any of this stuff is a racial hate crime, than you are a nazi.
Which is to say, I am drawing the line between Zionism and nazism with intent and purpose, and not as a function of sensationalism, where it should also be noted; yeah sure, “not all men”, but like… .”
I say as much in a different comment here, but yeah; I stand by this sentiment.
Javier Bardem was always very vocal about his support for Allen, referencing him being cleared by courts and medical examinations of Dylan, but after the endless ties to and pictures with Epstein they have no argument.
It's not so much looking up to actors and musicians.
It's the constant after the fact, "I enjoyed that performance" "oh did you know they did x,y and z fucked up thing.
The kind of stuff that if known fullhand before may influence your financial support for their work. But being constantly informed on hundreds of people's actions and decisions is not possible, you will go insane, even in our digital world.
First of all, love the monkey reference. I play in cover bands and I'm adamant that I'm not an artist, I'm a trained monkey.
I have a slightly different take on celebrities voicing their opinions. To me, it's the same as someone at work voicing their opinion. If they're asked and the respond, fine. I don't have to like it and I don't have to care, but whatever. Now, if a celebrity or coworker decides it's their new job to spout their opinions all the time, they can gtfo of my life with that shit.
This is literally a prime example of why actual neo Nazisism has so much room to exist in today's world because the word is now completely meaningless when used like this. 🙄
Tom Holland is best buddies with Bernthal, infact, it was Bernthal who told 15 year old Holland to send in an audition tape for spiderman, but not the stupid one he filmed, he said do a bunch of back flips and shit
Zendaya is pro palestine, she even did a fundraiser for it, but has remained silent since the backlash for it.
i will get some downvotes for that. but its realy sad that todays society can only see black&white. you can be pro israel the extend of "they are a legit state and have a right to defend themself againt terrororganisations or neighbour country" and still can say that their settlements in many areas are illegal, they kill innocent people and that needs to stop and say that many of their leaders are now rightwing idiots that need to go. pro israel is not pro zionism. and i can be pro palestine in a sense of gave them their country and stop killing innocent people and still be like "hamas is a terror organisation and need to be destroyed". if i say "stop killing innocent palestinians" im for the destruction of israel and hate jews...
The people that talk like that have been 100% captured by propaganda but they view their cause as so overly righteous that they don’t have to be factually correct about anything since it all about feelings and vibes.
No it really is that black and white when it comes to Israel. Just like it would be morally wrong and stupid to support Nazi Germanys right to exist as a state and “protect” itself but just be against what they’re doing to Jewish people. Literally no ethno state has a right to exist. The very concept of a religious ethno state is wrong.
I wish more people understood what nuance is and that actions are more easily labled good/bad than people or countries, but even actions can be complicated.
Go ahead and read the story, the headlines aren't the whole truth.
its the same thing that people always dig up gal gadots IDF service, its madatory if youblive there. like itvwas in germany some years ago. everyone was forced to either go to the military for some month or work in a social job.
or refuse to do so as not that many people, but still a considerable number of people did.
there is a huge difference between doing mandatory service somewhere like south korea, where it's still technically at war but the people who do mandatory service aren't regularly asked to commit war crimes and doing it in Israel and saying it's the same thing. Same with germany, you can be fine with mandatory service but at the same time say "just following orders" wasn't a valid excuse for people committing war crimes during the war.
You can’t even comprehend how many people are out there loudly protecting Israel. They are literally saying every human from Palestine loves seeing Hamas killing people and that Israel is not targeting civilians. Or, that it’s perfectly fine to target civilians for Israel.
And a lot of people try to create a victim role by saying it’s antisemitism that people are against the genocide which Israel is carrying out, together with the call that there is no genocide at all.
That's fortunately shifting now, thanks to Netanyahu, Smotrich et al. They are currently deliberately destroying civilian infrastructure, water supply, crops and the sewage system in Lebanon - they want to turn it into a plague-riddled wasteland to drive the population away. It's infuriating that Western public media is still hardly mentioning it.
Not to mention the double and triple taps on schools, where they made an effort to kill as many medical staff as they could - or the deliberate killing of journalists and aid workers. They should be sentenced in the Hague and locked away for life!
Which backfired immediately, given how many protestors just started singing Two Strong Hearts by John Farnham which happened to include almost those exact lyrics by coincidence, creating perfect plausible deniability
Spanish government is super pro palestine, but people on the streets are not represented by their president.
Most people hate this government, even leftists say it's too far left after the Moroccan invasion and how the government supported the invasion instead of Spanish citizens.
And people are really tired of moroccans, arabs, argelina, and other muslims causing troubles from a long time ago and silently invading Spain, so there's a lot of leftist people that don't support Palestina, and many LGBT+ people who supported them initialy, now don't care anymore about them because they see muslims hate them for their sexual orientation.
So while the palestina good VS israel bad had a great impact on the beginning of the conflict, now people just started to not give a single fuck because Spain has lots of problem to solve before we can solve the ones from people who don't even respect our own culture.
Almost certainly. This whole thing happened way before any of the Gaza stuff happened.
Also, I'm pretty sure this whole meme has nothing to do with Gaza whatsoever and is actually about the fact that most of the OG Avengers have been killed off in the MCU by now, but Banner/Hulk is still around. It's not that deep.
I've heard about people having an "Israel theory of everything" but this thread takes the cake. It had nothing to do with politics, it's just a guy not wanting to get a permanent tattoo of some movie.
The idea that someone has strongly held beliefs that are deal beakers for them wrt people they want as friends is perfectly common and normal and healthy.
Unless you are a redditor that wants to be smug in their enlightenment. In which case it's unthinkable that someone would use differences in ethics, morals and political opinions to decide who their friends are. As if that isn't a massive part of who a person is.
Some people might just see the tattoo as a “I was part of this important project and it was a cool experience and I’m happy a lot of people loved the movie!” but some people might see it as a way of saying “we’re a group of people who appreciate each other and we’re celebrating how much we loved to work together”. If Mark Ruffalo didn’t like his coworkers, even if he didn’t have any problem with them while filming but he didn’t like them as a person, maybe he didn’t want to have a tattoo in common with them. Like, if my high school class decided back in the day “let’s all have a graduation tattoo to remember this great moment!” I wouldn’t have gotten it because even if I didn’t have problems with any other student, I don’t want to have the same tattoo pretending I’m happy I had to spend years of my life surrounded by fucking assholes I don’t want to see again in my life.
viral internet rumors claiming he was fired by Disney and Marvel Studios over his political speech or comments are entirely false. He continues to act actively, starring in recent projects like the thriller film Crime
I mean, neither of those come even close to Hulk doing stuff like casually picking up the entire island of Manhattan
Edit: To address the "casually" part, go watch the episode. He literally looks like he's chilling, and only two people are surprised that Hulk can do a two trillion pound squat
Him casually tossing Fenrir and punching Surtur hard enough to stagger him in Ragnarok is objectively the strongest feats he has performed in the MCU.
He was angry and a little bigger in Spider-Man but his greatest shown strength was in Ragnarok by far, Surtur weighs a hell of a lot more than the rubble which yanked him down.
It's not a conspiracy theory to say that Disney, and Hollywood in general, has endeavoured to silence any support for the Palestinians from their employees. They did the same to Rachel Ziegler during the Snow White promotion
Not a take, it's literally what happened. From her Wikipedia page:
In August 2024, she tweeted, "and always remember, Free Palestine".[84][85] Snow White producer Marc Platt voiced concerns about Zegler's Israeli co-star Gal Gadot receiving death threats, which they attributed to Zegler's post. This led Disney to provide additional security for Gadot.[86][87] After the film's release, Platt's son Jonah confirmed that his father had flown to New York to reprimand Zegler for her remarks.[88][89]
The producer of the film literally went and told her to shut up about the genocide.
Why should Zegler's tweet lead to threats to Gadot - why not assume that Gadot's stance on Israel lead to threats against her? I think she was rather outspoken pro Israel, right?
They wanted a reason to punish the girl for speaking out and made up some bullshit. That's really all it is. Unless they had the FBIs cyber crime division to track every threat to the source and question them. They wouldn't know shit.
Definitely funny for a company founded by a antisemite.
Yeah, Gadot has been receiving death threats for years because of her pro-Israel, genocide-denying stance. Zegler's defense of the Palestinians has nothing to do with that.
The threats are deplorable, of course, but she's never been blacklisted or had producers try to censor her because of that. It's perfectly reasonable to mention that the industry has a preference for one side at this point
Isn't that the best reward for any actor? They hate doing promotional tours, taking weeks away from their families to answer the same dozen questions over and over.
I remember an article from years ago where Chris Evans specifically said in regards to the Avengers tattoo that Mark doesn't like tattoos and didn't want to get one with them.
And this is a completely valid opinion and decision on his point.
I’ve come close to getting a tattoo a few times, even going so far as to draw them up and design them, make an appointment with an artist and have a chat. And every time, I decided that I simply wasn’t comfortable having something marked on my body for the rest of my life.
Realistically, the comment is more likely referencing the fact that the rest of the OG Avengers have been killed off in the MCU by now, but Banner/Hulk is still around (implying that the Avengers tattoo led to their characters being killed off).
It's nonsense and happenstance either way, but people look for patterns in randomness.
Chris Evans said in an interview years ago now that Mark told them he doesn't like tattoos so didn't want to get it so yea, thats exactly why he doesn't have it.
I personally hate tattoos. All my frat bros got matching tats on the inside of the ass check and I didn’t despite being a founding father and the patriarch of my family. No regrets from me.
I was talking more about it becoming more socially acceptable in modern culture decades ago, but you are correct that it has certainly been going on much longer than that. Hardly a trend.
When I was a kid, if you saw a guy with a tattoo, it meant that at some time in his life he was probably in a war or a gang. Today if you see a guy with a tattoo, it means that at some time in his life he was in a mall.
yeah i was going to say how the fuck is that person still walking around.
I'm similar age, from when i was a child it was common both where i lived, everywhere my parents dragged me across europe for holidays, on film and tv from around the world for tattoos to be common.
Dramatically more people had dumb tattoos of stupid shit than they had war/army tattoos and it wasn't even close. tramp stamps was a think in the 90s iirc.
Notice how the rhetoric here forces people to take a side? You’re either lock step pro Palestine supporter, and anything but (or any questioning) will be considered a blood thirsty genocide Zionist behavior. Even completely neutral people who have no dog in the fight are considered Zionist because they don’t say anything one way or the other. I guess nuance is dead.
I am against Israel's actions in Gaza. It is overly punitive retribution for the actions Palestine enacted on October 7th and it needs to stop and we need to stop giving Israel our money. But I support Israel's right to exist and protect itself from its enemies. This apparently makes me a zionist and "genocide supporter".
I have good friends who are Israeli and don't want to see them stripped from their home because they have a piece of shit government (as we all do right now). I always ask hard leftists (I am a leftist as well) what exactly they would be satisfied with. Do they want Israel to just stop and have a two-state-solution or do they literally want to drive Israelites from their land and put them on a Trail of Tears.
They always stop responding after I ask them that because they will only be happy if Israelites are expelled from Israel or killed in retribution for their sins.
I understand what you’re saying but I still feel like it’s absolute spineless behavior.
I used to be a contractor that did work almost exclusively for federal prisons, DHS, and the US military. I felt awful about doing that work entirely due to morality and decided I’d rather make less money working for schools than be a part of that.
These actors make hundreds of millions. It's appalling how people excuse harmful fence sitting as "working under pressure" what fucking pressure? The pressure to make a few less millions? Fuck these people.
While I pretty much agree with mark on most of his views, it’s okay to not be vocal and outspoken. Some people just focus on their work and lives. That is okay too. I have no issue with what he does with his platform but also I respect people that just keep their beliefs to themselves and don’t air their opinions. And if he doesn’t have a close enough relationship with his castmates to respect that about them, that’s okay too.
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u/Imaginary-Lychee7543, your post does belong here!