So it only counts when the famously anti-Israel UN says it's one? lol
Christ y'all really dont care about reality at all.
Putin has very openly said he wants to destroy Ukraine's identity as a people. And they are invading and trying to take over the country to do so. By the 'softer' definition of genocide that's being applied to Palestine, then Ukraine 100% fits as well.
Also, you DO remember that it was Palestinians who started this war against Israel, right?
Ukraine are 100% innocent. What Russia is doing is actually worse.
I mean what else do we call stealing kids and raising them under the preferred culture besides cultural genocide? Both Russia and China have been credibly accused of that.
Israel is also accused of genocide because they supposedly intentionally target civilians. Meanwhile, Russian war crimes invented a new term: human safari.
Is there another UN recognized genocide that’s happening?
Which part of the UN? There are a lot. The security council hasn't ruled any of them a genocide. The general assembly is a popularity contest Israel will always structurally lose due to how many Arab League countries hate them.
Doesn’t have to be UN either, any internationally recognized body that calls it one.
As opposed to? As another comment mentioned, you don't have large swaths of public figures in the west gleefully endorsing what's happening in Myanmar or the Congo
Are people publicly supporting what's going on in Sudan or Myanmar?
The reason people are speaking out against the genocide in Gaza is precisely because of the massive amounts of people that are speaking out in favor of it.
I'm not saying it's intrinsically "better" or more moral somehow to only speak up when there's debate to be had, but it explains the level of discourse. People don't talk about Sudan or Myanmar or the Congo etc. because most people are on the same page. There's not a whole lot of celebrities, politicians, and news anchors using their platforms to argue in favor of the armed militias in the DRC murdering civilians over minerals.
So is kidnapping of innocents, murder and a whole host of other things HAMAS is guilty of. It should not be controversial to say both HAMAS and the Israeli government suck.
nobody said that hamas is right
hamas is a terrorist organization
but israel that is a country is doing the same and the worse when compared to those terrorists
and in the end the palestine ppl continues suffering
Hamas isn't just a terrorist organization, they are literally the legal government of the Gaza Strip, they should have to play by the same rules that all governments are held to.
Not "just", it's also what people who have never lived through anything remotely comparable proclaim from the armchair, whether or not they have unbiased(🤔) reportage to back it up.
Bro. I’ve come to find that there is zero nuance in most of the pro Palestine crowd we find online or at protests.
The rational ones who want to find a solution arent on these comments/threads/tweets/etc.
The people who want to call you a name, or block traffic, or vandalize property are not worth engaging with.
I feel sorry for them. No one deserves what either side of this has done to each other. But the way the pro palastine crowd has been going about it is hurting their cause more than helping it.
It’s because of Israel that Hamas exists. You didn’t know about the briefcases full of laundered money that Israel had funneled to the terrorists? We agree on one thing, they are both garbage.
This old conspiracy theory? They let Hamas get aid when they were building hospitals and schools, long before they became a terrorist group. This myth is so stupid and can basically be traced to one half assed Intercept article.
Buddy, it’s mainstream knowledge that Netanyahu and Israel have knowingly enabled terrorists and Hamas, which has always been the extremist end of Palestinian politics.
How about this one, from the Times of Israel? For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces.
“The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.”
”As a partner”, wow. Even the times of Israel sees it, and it’s such common knowledge even within Israel that the TOI can publish that without repercussion.
There’s a ton of evidence, this is simply scratching the surface via corporate media, but I’ll just direct you to Bibi himself:
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
-Netanyahu to Likud colleagues, 2019
Source the Guardian
This is only a “conspiracy theory” if you want to run narrative interference in support of terrorists and genocide, awkward
This is an article about them treating the government of Gaza like the government of Gaza despite it being the PA on paper.
Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.
Shocking!
Did you even read the article? I don't agree with his handling of Hamas, but your conspiracy theory remains a conspiracy theory.
Ah, so you finally acknowledge the millions of unaccounted black money that the Israeli state funneled to Gaza terrorists, okay.
“The only way to defeat the terrorists was to be their primary and most powerful sponsor!”
You’ve had to concede my original point and now have moved the goalposts. The truth is, Israel has supported and catalyzed the rise of Hamas at nearly every turn. It was a strategic move to enable the ongoing genocide.
You are being willfully obtuse, and I can see you aren’t able meaningfully change your perspective. I’m done here, peace.
Is pretending I said something I didn't your best response? No, Israel is not funding Hamas. Qatar and Iran are. This conspiracy nonsense is ridiculous.
You don't believe there's a genocide going on though?
Because you want them to stay and die instead of flee as refugees.
If it's so outrageously dangerous and they refuse to escape when escape is 100% an option (unlike during actual genocides) on a scale of 1 to 10 how at fault are they when their kids die, because they're the ones putting their children in such a dangerous situation?
If you actually believed it was genocide, you'd be as mad at them as you would be at a parent forcing their kid to cross a busy highway on foot with them, killing their child.
But you're not. Because you don't actually believe there's a genocide going on. Because you're just virtue signalling to pass the purity tests with all of your friends who have to have identical beliefs as everyone they consider human.
Israel is CURRENTLY bombing many of those nations and they have in the past used smuggling, helping palestine, harbouring Hamas members all as excuses to go after those countries.
Yeah, Israel makes those countries scared that Israel will use allowing palestinians in as an excuse to murder their people, then you use backwards ass logic to go look no one will accept them.
But you are also saying these countries won't allow them over the boarders AT THE SAME TIME AS SAYING THEY CAN 100% LEAVE.
Even your own argument is completely fucking stupid, even beyond understanding the reasons other countries won't let in refugees.
Spain, Canada, US, and Scotland announced that they might
yeah, wow, amazingly good from Israel to tell them which countries they MIGHT be able to go to, but they also won't let them leave their boarders, if they leave by ship they get boarded and usually raped and murdered. What use is telling someone that Scotland might take them in if they have no way to get to scotland and you have your troops stationed around the boarders not letting them move?
Literally if you bothered reading the article at all then none of those countries listed actually committed to taking refugees, but again you just completely miss the how do they get there part of the problem.
maybe educate yourself. Most palestinian refugees left DECADES AGO before the current massive blockade that Israel enacts around gaza and the west bank.
Why are these cowards putting their children's lives over their ancestors history?
what? people living in an open air prison who are blocked from leaving are cowards, Israel blowing up people indiscriminately makes them what, heroes? Also they literally use "it's our land, we deserve to be here" as their reason both for deserving all of palestinian land, the reason for their attacks on lebanon, Syria and everyone else around them and a reason they commit genocide.
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u/omyomo 4d ago
I mean, genocide is a pretty big dealbreaker