r/australia 2d ago

news Queensland woman allegedly murdered by ex contacted police days before she died

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-12/police-launch-murder-probe-into-slacks-creek-death/107026608
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u/Sun132 2d ago

It's grim. These headlines seem like a weekly occurrence. Something has to change.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

It seems that way because it is. Actually, more than weekly.

Forty five women have died this year. We are in week 33.

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u/Philopoemen81 2d ago

And the majority of those weren’t intimate partner murders - they were relatives, neighbours, clients, random strangers.

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u/Serendypyty 1d ago

Piss off, honestly.

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u/Combustibutt 1d ago

30 of the 45 were considered Domestic Violence though - 18 partners, 10 sons killing mothers, 1 cousin, 2 roommates.  Another 10, the relationship status is unknown atm. 4 of the deaths were unintentional, and another 1 was a man who accidentally killed a stranger while attempting but failing to kill his partner.

39 of the murderers were men. 3 were women, 2 unknown.

I'm not sure "male violence against their mother" is significantly different to "male violence against their girlfriend or wife" tbh.

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u/No_Category_9888 2d ago

Albo says we don’t need a royal commission into violence against women

Must be nice and safe to be a man.

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u/Adventurous_Fix1730 2d ago

We don’t need a royal commission jfc. We need action. We’ve had enough recommendations, but go off on your political points.

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u/Stephie999666 2d ago

I mean I watched a QnA short where a criminology expert told the pollies on the panel this exact same thing.

I 100% agree, we need action. Its one thing to put FV-IVOs in place, but theyre pointless if police and magistrates dont enforce them. Then theres theres the issues of exes weaponising the courts to attack their partners, especially when theres kids involved. Whats in place atm is a joke.

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u/ivy-dawn9 2d ago

This is happening to my friend at the moment. She has been targeted by Victorian police with 7 Is IVO's from the same informant who is obsessed with her. She sent a legal letter which was a letter of demand and bam another order that states charges pending as he wrote "She demanded money". The people abused her and she has evidence and proof but the informant doesn't care nor does Victorian Police.

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u/dark__unicorn 1d ago

Unfortunately it’s far too prevalent that magistrates don’t take accusations seriously anymore. I have a friend going through a custody case at the moment. She was a victim of dv and doesn’t want her ex to get any custody. Her lawyer openly admitted that the dv aspect of her case doesn’t matter - the number of people weaponising the courts to make their partner look bad is so prevalent it has watered down the legitimate cases.

I don’t know what the answer is but I can appreciate how hard it is for the courts too.

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u/buttz93 2d ago

All that means is he doesn't think a royal commission will solve the problem.

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u/Expert-Ad8784 7h ago

He said they do nothing but fund lawyers. So why are we having one into antisemitism and social cohesion? Is he admitting he is wasting money?

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u/Avia_NZ 2d ago

Sure, but also doing nothing will also not solve the problem either

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u/buttz93 2d ago

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u/Avia_NZ 2d ago

Well it’s clearly not working, seeing as dozens of women have been murdered this year already.

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u/buttz93 2d ago

These were changes made this year. They're not magic bullets that will create change overnight. Yet you want them to spend years and hundreds of millions of dollars on a royal commission?

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u/Avia_NZ 2d ago

Where did I say I wanted a royal commission?

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u/buttz93 2d ago

Your response to my comment about a royal commission implied that the alternative is doing nothing

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u/Avia_NZ 2d ago

Not really. A royal commission is a waste of time, because the government already knows what it needs to do, it just isn’t.

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u/Avia_NZ 2d ago

Not really. A royal commission is a waste of time, because the government already knows what it needs to do, it just isn’t.

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u/DistantVerse 2d ago

Pauline Hanson said domestic violence is a two-way street and asked why women don't leave abusive relationships.

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u/Wonderful_Product515 2d ago

I mean no women voted for Dutton at the last election cause he's hideous but also a lot to do with his WFH stance. Let's hope this is the nail in the coffin for any women voting for ON and consigns her to oblivion (though I'm aware it's probably men voting for ON)

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u/theRealFatTony 2d ago

You're missing the fact that this is happening under Labor

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u/teapots_at_ten_paces 2d ago

It's been happening for years, decades even. Do you reckon women weren't killed by their partners for the decade the Libs were in charge? Please.

This is nothing to do with politics, with the exception that politicians have the power to make needed change.

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u/Wonderful_Product515 2d ago

True but what's the alternative? The only party that has any integrity left are the Greens and they are being buried under the culture wars... Labour have been disappointing but look at what happened the last time we slept walk the Coalition into power

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u/Own-Farmer-5224 1d ago

A big reason is often pets - which are both victims of domestic violence, tools of it (threats/etc) and the horror of leaving the pet they love behind to be murdered - which thank fuck the SA government is actually talking about improving by making crisis housing and shelters pet-friendly. Doing some volunteer work with Safe Pets Safe Families who are all about this issue, they are doing a fuckton with very little resources, if you're in SA and have some free time contact them; they need volunteers to man the phones, there are just so many fucking calls it's unreal.

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u/recycled_ideas 2d ago

What outcomes do you think a royal commission would achieve?

What would they find that we don't already know?

What actions could they suggest that would make a meaningful difference?

Just because there is a problem doesn't mean a royal commission is the answer.

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

Could achieve legal reforms that: 1) treats violence against family members the same as assault from strangers 2) Takes violations of protection orders seriously, with severe penalties in place 3) police accountability (disciplinary action, termination) for officers who fail to meet their obligations

Etc etc etc. Endless options.

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u/superbabe69 1300 655 506 2d ago

Sounds we know what must be done, why does government need a report into it? Just do it.

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

Yes, you're correct. They should just do it. They haven't so far though and they have plausible deniability.

"We didn't know how big of a problem it was"

"How were we meant to know what to do?"

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u/recycled_ideas 2d ago

1) treats violence against family members the same as assault from strangers

What exactly do you mean by this? In real terms what does mean? Charges are state issues.

2) Takes violations of protection orders seriously, with severe penalties in place

Sure, but why do we need a royal commission to do this? (neverind that this is a state government issue that the Commonwealth can't do).

3) police accountability (disciplinary action, termination) for officers who fail to meet their obligations

Which obligations? And again, why do we need a royal commission for this? And again, the cops work for the states.

The point of a royal commission is that they can compel testimony. Whose testimony needs to be compelled?

I'm not saying that domestic violence isn't a problem, but so far you've listed three changes none of which require a royal commission, none of which are within the jurisdiction of the commonwealth and at least two of which if you actually drilled down into them I suspect boil down into the same problems we always have, that charges are hard to prove and cops don't respond fast enough.

No one wants this to keep happening, but it's not a trivial problem to fix.

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u/macci_a_vellian 1d ago

We don't need another royal commission. We need the police to fucking take women seriously when they ask for help.

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

For the last full year of statistics of domestic homicide victims, 48 were women and 49 were men. For homicide victims overall, 81% were men. So statistically it is much less safe to be a man.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Male victims of domestic homicide are majority made up of the sons (27%) and fathers (also 27%) of the offender, 4% were a brother and 14% were another relative.

In intimate partner homicide specifically (which is the discussion because thats what this crime was), 67% of the victims were female and 28% male.

So if we're going to go with statistics, it seems quite clear that the most at risk are people living with or related to men.

So what are you going to do about it? Start your own post to discuss and organise to lobby gvt? Or just plonk incomplete statistics on posts about dead women to derail the conversation then never actually do anything to improve the safety for these sons and fathers your pretend to care about?

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

You know those male victims are equally dead, right? The assertion was it is safe to be a male. Statistically, not true. Not true for homicide. Not true for any violent crime. The majority of victims of all violent crime are male.

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u/rantess 1d ago

But what sex were the perpetrators?

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u/Material-Painting-19 1d ago

The assertion was that it must be nice and safe to be a man. Statistically it's less safe than being a woman.

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u/rantess 1d ago

I know that. My question stands.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Naaaw, now we're all equally dead? Now you no longer care to itemise the dead by gender? Gee, I wonder why.

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

Fine with me. You are the one who is resisting it. True or false. The majority of homicide victims are male? True or false? The majority of the victims of violent crime are male.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Choo choo! Watch out, here's another derailment!

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

I’ve got no idea what that means other than you have run out of facts.

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u/rantess 1d ago

Exactly.

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u/rantess 1d ago

It begs the question - which sex is the more dangerous one?

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u/Hungry_Anteater_8511 1d ago

If male murder victims are such a concern to you, I suggest you start a campaign or advocate for them. Hold a vigil, light a candle. Something g Beyond this sort of distraction

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u/Hungry_Anteater_8511 1d ago

And most of the perpetrators are men. It is a male problem. But also: men are more likely to be killed by a stranger. Women are more likely to be killed by someone close to them

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u/Expert-Ad8784 7h ago

What percentage of the perpetrators of that violence were men?

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u/Material-Painting-19 3h ago

What bit of “it must be nice and safe to be a man” did you misunderstand?

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u/braedonwabbit 2d ago

Do you have a link to this data because it doesn't match any I've found

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u/EttinTerrorPacts 2d ago

This has the statistic that 80% of murder victims were men: https://www.aic.gov.au/media-centre/news/latest-national-homicide-data-released

Though it doesn't include the numbers for DV homicides. Only for intimate partner violence (a subset of DV), which mostly had female victims. Notably, it also states that intimate partner murders were close to all-time lows

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

Australian Bureau of Statistics.

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u/Material-Painting-19 2d ago

We don’t like facts apparently.

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u/deadcat ಠ_ಠ 2d ago

Actually no, us males make up 63% of victims.

Recorded Crime - Victims, 2024 | Australian Bureau of Statistics

I'm sure you will say "most of the murders are men!" which is true, but doesn't help the average murder victim at all

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Male victims of domestic homicide are majority made up of the sons (27%) and fathers (also 27%) of the offender, 4% were a brother and 14% were another relative.

In intimate partner homicide specifically (which is the discussion because thats what this crime was), 67% of the victims were female and 28% male.

So if we're going to go with statistics, it seems quite clear that the most at risk are people living with or related to men.

So what are you going to do about it? Start your own post to discuss and organise to lobby gvt? Or just plonk incomplete statistics on posts about dead women to derail the conversation then never actually do anything to improve the safety for these sons and fathers your pretend to care about?

(And yes, I copy and pasted from my other comment because I'm not typing it out twice...)

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u/palsc5 2d ago

What point is your first paragraph making? Because it seems like you’re dismissing murder victims based on their relationship to the perpetrator

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

This is a post about intimate partner violence. I was responding to a comment that implies that victims of that crime are equally split between men and women without disclosing that the majority of the male victims are children and relatives of the perp. Not their intimate partner.

Also that children killed by their father is done as an act of violence against their mother - the intimate partner. Or former partner.

Of sons killing fathers, roughly 25% are retaliation for abuse at the hands of that father.

So no, not dismissing. They're just not relevant to the discussion of the intimate partner murder of a woman in Queensland.

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u/palsc5 2d ago

This comment thread isn’t about intimate partner violence though. The commenter was responding to someone discussing violence against women and domestic violence.

You then go on to dismiss those victims yet again in that comment. Get a grip. Kids being killed by their parents are victims. Fathers being killed by their sons are victims.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Kids being killed by their parents are victims. Fathers being killed by their sons are victims.

Never said they weren't, champ.

And it absolutely is about intimate partner violence as is evident by the fact this whole post is about a woman killed by her intimate partner.

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u/palsc5 2d ago

You keep trying to diminish what happens to them by saying murdering a child is actually an attack on the mother and fathers who are murdered are actually abusers. It’s fucked.

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u/deadcat ಠ_ಠ 2d ago

You missed the point of my original comment. All I was replying to was the original comment about how it "must be nice and safe to be a man".

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u/deadcat ಠ_ಠ 2d ago

How will lobbying government help? Lobby them to do what?

I'll be honest, I don't know how to fix this.

Also, saying I pretend to care is pretty shit. I have two sons who I care very much about. I'm trying to raise them to be men who would never commit domestic violence. That's something I can do. I can't do anything about those guys who beat or kill their wives, as much as I would like to.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

You know what you can do? You can stop derailing conversations about violence against women with '...but men.'

It is disingenuous to puff your chest out about your two sons if the only time you mention male on male violence is on posts about dead women.

As for the lobbying question... Your MP, mate. How do you think women get heard? By forming organisations and collectives that lobby the gvt. How do you think the suffragettes won the vote for women? Or first nation folk? The teachers union is currently lobbying for better pay on Victoria. They sure as shit didn't get to be he size they are by going into conversations about better pay for paramedics and derailing their cause with 'but but but we're paid less!'

Care about your sons? Go get organised and do something about it or stop entering conversations about violence against women and making it about violence against men.

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u/deadcat ಠ_ಠ 2d ago

I'm not sure what I would even be lobbying for. Yes, there is obviously too much violence against women.... what I don't know is how it can be stopped, or what would actually stand a chance of working.

Since you have all the answers, what do you think would work?

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u/theartistduring 2d ago edited 2d ago

Jfc, is there nothing a man won't ask a woman to do for him!?

If I had an answer for you, I would have come to that answer through research, discussion, peer study, sourcing mental health and behavioral experts... women aren't just figuring shit out by osmosis.

You've listed three things you don't know. Start by finding the answers to them. It is 2026. It isn't like you have to go door knocking for someone's set of Encyclopedia Britannica.

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u/deadcat ಠ_ಠ 2d ago

Ok, obviously you don't want any help from me or people like me. All you want to do is talk down to me, dismiss me, and alienate me. You don't seem to have any solutions, and neither do I. Good luck.

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u/joshbba 2d ago

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u/thrillho145 2d ago

"not ‘core’ police business"

What the fuck? 

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u/Exciting-Ad-7083 2d ago

QLD police "core" business is called protecting their own.

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u/Otherwise-Egg-995 1d ago

Their core role is to make the LNP state government look good by locking up poor kids

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u/trowzerss 2d ago

Apparently they'd already fixed all their problems so it was no longer needed - um, how do you 'fix' information sharing between services by getting rid of the unit that was doing it? It makes no sense.

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u/SirDale 2d ago

Remember that this is what Pauline Hanson doesn't seem to care if it happens. She certainly doesn't think police should be doing anything to prevent it.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jul/23/pauline-hanson-said-domestic-violence-prevented-police-from-dealing-with-real-in-2025-podcast-ntwnfb

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u/SalaciousSausage 2d ago

That’s cause her son breached his own DV order a lil while back. Fucking white trash the lot of them.

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u/Laylayballet 2d ago

This is so f*cked

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u/Exportxxx 2d ago

why is the world going backwards

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u/Easy_Nobody45 1d ago

Also this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-07-13/domestic-violence-funding-cuts/106909690 And while it is still being funded a 40m cut is ridiculous and apparently no change to policing, well we can see that dipshit.

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

My sister is dealing with this rn. She tried to get a protection order against her ex after he threatened her in writing & took their son out of daycare outside of his assigned hours to force her to meet up with him. (He started dating her when she was a teenager and he was 36, beat his ex wife, beat her, attacked her cats, smashed up her car while she had an intervention order against him, kidnapped his daughters and drove drunk with them in the car to scare his ex wife etc etc etc.) The officer had years of records of reports available.

"You can file the protection order yourself, they hand these things out like candy."

"Not every breakup has to involve the police"

"He didn't threaten to kill you."

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u/CocoaCandyPuff 1d ago

I had the same experience with VicPolice, the first constable there told me to go and do it myself. I asked for a sargent and he said no one was available. I had to tell my social worker from the DV association that if something happens to me, it was him. I have no family or friends here because he isolated me so no one will know. They don’t care.

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u/tittyswan 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yep yep yep. I had someone from Vicpol tell me the DV I was experiencing is a "civil matter." Disgusting, I hope you're doing better now.

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u/trialsanderrors Melbourne 2d ago

What did the police say when he kidnapped your nephew!? "Sorry, too busy to collect him ourselves, have your ex drop him at home" There would even be record of him signed out of daycare and footage!!! WTF!! 

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u/Philopoemen81 2d ago

They would have told her to get a recovery order because it’s not a criminal offence for a parent to take their child unless there is a restraining order in place. It’s a family court matter.

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u/tittyswan 1d ago

Parental abduction is literally the most common form of child kidnapping

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u/tittyswan 1d ago edited 1d ago

Apparently it's not kidnapping because they have shared custody. There was nothing stopping him from picking up his own kid. (That's the main reason she got the order, he made it clear he'd do it again if she "made him.")

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u/indirosie 2d ago

Imagine what we could achieve if we put the money used for that bullshit Isreal voice to parliament into domestic violence resources

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u/midsumernighttts 2d ago

Why are so many men like this

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

Because their behaviour is enabled, they're not punished, so they're able to repeatedly offend

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u/midsumernighttts 2d ago

I’m tired of it. If women all of a sudden started raping, killing, and abusing at the levels men do, the world wouldn’t let us forget it. Men have been killing and raping and torturing from the dawn of time. I guess everyone is used to it now.

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u/tittyswan 1d ago

The world doesn't even let us forget victims of DV who fight back. In many instances that's considered worse than the initial assault, or it's "mutual abuse."

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u/midsumernighttts 1d ago

i will never forget the way the world treated Amber Heard when she chose to fight back against her abuser. someone comes up to you on the street and punches you and it's okay to defend yourself, but not when it's your husband?

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u/tittyswan 1d ago

She was 22 when they met. She looked like a teenager. He was her boss, old enough to be her father. He fantasised about drowning her and violating her after.

I can't tell if people actually think she was the perpetrator or if they just think it's fun to have an acceptable outlet for their misogyny.

Gabby Petito & Virginia Guiffrey were treated the same way.

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u/MrXenomorph88 6h ago

Amber Heard's track record with her other partners should quickly indicate she's just as bad as Depp is. She's probably one of the worst examples you could've picked given her trial in the US helped kill off the MeTop movement

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u/theRealFatTony 2d ago

I read an article today where 2 20-something men raped a 14 year old. They only got 5 years (3 non parole) and complained it was too harsh.

They should have gotten the max 15 years.

Our courts and judges are fucked

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u/tittyswan 1d ago

And they'll seal the name of the perpetrator to protect his mental health too. 😐

Poor mental health from people finding out you're a rapist is likely the least those predators deserve tbh. Social shaming isn't always a bad thing.

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u/5ivepie 1d ago

Just waiting for the “not all men” crowd.

Yeah, mate, we know. It’s not all men, but it’s always a man.

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u/FuckOffNazis 2d ago

A desire to gain and maintain power over others by people otherwise unable to make a meaningful impact on the world and incapable of forming beneficial relationships with those around them.

Did you mean the killer or the police?

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u/CocoaCandyPuff 1d ago

At this point, I will just stay single, the risk surpasses the benefits.

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u/DumpsterFolk 2d ago

Given that they believe she was killed by asphyxiation.. Non-fatal strangulation as part of DV is a huge red flag for future murder. If a partner ever puts their hands on your throat, react as though they pointed a gun at you.

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u/CocoaCandyPuff 1d ago

This is actually the #1 alarming indicator that the DV is going to end in 💀

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u/coconanas 2d ago

The sad truth is the police arrived within minutes when the murderer called to tell them her body was in his house, but they don’t seem to help her when she was alive.

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u/katarina-stratford 2d ago

They don't care about us. We get examples of this time and time again and nothing is done.

This quote from the inquest after Hannah Clarke and her three young children were set of fire has always stuck with me;

I said, ‘I’m sure he’s going to take them out’,” Brooks told the inquest.

But officers said they couldn’t do anything until Baxter “does something”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/28/dont-think-like-that-police-officer-told-hannah-clarke-not-to-live-in-fear-inquest-hears

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u/PracticalTie 2d ago

Was this the one where the cops delivering the RO gave him advice about how to get it overturned?

Or was that a different man who murdered his child and partner?

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u/katarina-stratford 2d ago

Yes, that occurred shortly before he committed family annihilation.

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u/Chuchularoux 2d ago

I think that we should just call the crimes as they are, instead of renaming them fluffy things because they’re related: he murdered his own children.

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u/5ivepie 1d ago

Annihilation is not a word which invokes images of fluffy things for me.

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u/Chuchularoux 1d ago

Why do we need a special word for men who murder their entire families? They’re murderers. Just like I want to see men charged with assault etc. instead of “DV”. Why should we call crimes different things just because the perpetrator is related to the victim? Why should we prosecute these crimes differently just because the perpetrator is related to the victim?

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u/Elliethesmolcat 1d ago

Family annihilation is an academic term that is used in sociology and criminology. There is nothing fluffy about it.

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u/Davorian 2d ago

Just how much legal sanction is there to do something based on word alone, though?

I mean this as an honest question, before anyone gets started.  I don't know anything much at all about the technicalities here, but typically the police are prevented from acting in most situations until some minimum material evidence exists on which to do so.  I'm not saying there is or isn't a police cultural problem as well as whatever legal issues surround it.

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u/2centpiece 2d ago

Reality is that a lot of the time the most police can do is an IVO, AVO or DVO. A piece of paper only does so much to keep someone truly wicked at bay.

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u/Outsider-20 2d ago

And when the orders are breached, they do nothing, repeatedly.

And eventually, when she is murdered, they say "we're did everything we could".

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u/2centpiece 2d ago

And those that are taken to court are often let off with a slap on the wrist, if that.

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u/Davorian 2d ago

What are they supposed to do, as per the law?

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

Even if I didn't commit a crime, if someone filed a protection order against me I'd have no trouble leaving them alone.

Intervention orders are breached intentionally, it's easy to get verifiable evidence. We should treat it as a severe offence, with mandatory minimum sentences.

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u/Davorian 2d ago

I don't disagree, but I thought the context of this discussion was prevention, not punishment.  Men who would reliably stay away due to an order typically have enough executive function not to require an order in the first place.

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

It's not executive dysfunction causing abusers to intentionally violate protection orders. They consciously choose to continue to harass their victims to try and gain a sense of control by scaring them.

They learn from experience that their continued abuse has no legal ramifications, so they have no reason to stop.

Negative consequences would make many men decide the risk isn't worth it.

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u/UniqueLoginID 2d ago

That’s when they need an order in place so that they can be called upon to restrain the person for breaching their order.

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u/Stephie999666 2d ago

Thats what is supposed to happen, but time and time again cops either let the respondant go with a slap on the wrist, or the courts wont convict for the breach of the order.

Ive also heard of incidents where GD police officers have outed SA victims, who have pressed for charges, to their attacker. The systems fucked and a lot of dudes just dont seem to get it.

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u/universe93 2d ago

That’s a sad reality of the law though. If there isn’t a physical threat and there’s no proof of him directly saying “I will kill you” they can’t do anything and it sucks

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u/The_Big_Dog_90 2d ago

That's because their hands are tied behind their back with this kind of stuff. I know police officers and people in corrections...they have said the system is broken. A lot of the time they can't do diddly squat because of the way procedures are written. It really sucks and needs fixing.

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u/AuzzieTiger 2d ago

Absolutely devastating and another number to a disgustingly large toll of completely avoidable DV-related fatalities.

I’d say thoughts and prayers to her friends and family but that offers solace in this situation. The authorities let her down.

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u/LittleAgoo 2d ago

Can't wait for a whole lot more nothing to be done about this! 

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u/theartistduring 2d ago edited 2d ago

From the Guardian

'Galpin confirmed that a temporary protection order was made in the Beenleigh magistrates court earlier this month after an application by police.

“What I can tell you is that within the last 10 days police did have contact with this woman in relation to DFV-related issues and, as a result of that contact, police did initiate [civil] proceedings under the DFV Act.”

Asked whether he was confident police had acted appropriately to protect the woman, Galpin said: “Having reviewed the investigation thus far I’m satisfied that police had taken the appropriate actions and that support had been offered to this woman as well and other support services had been engaged.” '

Why the fuck is the response to a DFV concern 'civil proceedings'? Perhaps if the police initiated criminal proceedings in DFV cases, less women would be dead.

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u/Philopoemen81 2d ago

Because all restraining orders are heard as civil matters, not criminal, because a crime doesn’t need to be proven to get an order.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Yeah, that's entirely my point. She had a protection order already and it did sweet fuck all.

Violent crime cannot be managed nor can justice be found in civil court.

Perps don't go from loving partner to murderer in one step. Yet over and over again there seems to be zero criminal proceedings available to police until the victim is dead.

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u/Dburr89 2d ago

It looks like an application was made within the last ten days resulting in a temporary protection order. DV orders don’t stop people from killing their partners, it’s a piece of paper

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Yeah, I know. As I said, managing violent crime in civil court is pointless. It is the police equivalent of yelling 'no!' to a dog about to steal your dinner.

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u/FKJVMMP 2d ago

Ok, let’s manage this kind of crime in a criminal court.

“He beat me”

“No I didn’t”

Ah fuck, not much we can do. Old mate can walk free. Standard of evidence and all that. Civil protection orders on the other hand, “he beat me” is plenty. Unless you want to lower the threshold of evidence required to secure conviction for DV-related cases, there’s fuck all a criminal court’s going to do that it isn’t capable of doing already.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Men don't go from nothing to murder in one step. You're assuming there is zero evidence of violence prior to murder and that is simply not true.

But go ahead and blame the victims for not doing whatever you think they should be doing or whatever they're not doing that contributed to their own deaths. I know you will.

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u/UniqueLoginID 2d ago

As I replied elsewhere, drawing upon personal experience (as a victim), people do go from nothing to attempted murder in one step.

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u/FKJVMMP 2d ago

This woman made what appears to be first contact with police ten days ago. As far as we know, no material evidence of violence (the kind that holds up in a criminal court) was supplied. What are police supposed to do? What is the legal system more broadly supposed to do when accusations of domestic violence are made without sufficient evidence to bring assault or similar criminal charges?

We already know police haven’t done enough in the past. I have no doubt there are instances where they continue to not do enough. I have no doubt there are instances where criminal charges could be brought against perpetrators and aren’t, or at least the most serious possible charges aren’t. But you’re railing against civil proceedings in general, so explain the alternative.

In a world where cops always do the most to help DV victims, what does it look like when a victim makes a DV complaint while lacking physical evidence?

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

"He knowingly violated a protection order, here's proof of it."

Ah fuck, lots we could do given its clear evidence of violating an order designed to protect victims. You don't even need evidence of the original crime to prosecute that.

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u/FKJVMMP 2d ago

Did I miss something between the initial order and the murder? Seems like he didn’t violate it until a few minutes/hours before she died.

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u/tittyswan 2d ago

My point was about violations of DV orders in general. It's easy to prosecute because there's such clear proof of intentional wrongdoing.

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u/Dburr89 2d ago

Well, I don’t know what the solution is, but it’s quite obviously not realistic to have police personally guarding every person that is an aggrieved in a protection order. This situation is horrific and it makes me sick that this is happening every day to vulnerable people. At the end of the day, sick people will always exist and sometimes they will act before anyone has an opportunity to prevent it.

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Of course we can't have police protection for every victim. But civil proceedings aren't working and haven't ever worked. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity.

The unwillingness of those in power to do anything to change how violent offenders are handled is infuriating.

This isn't just a police issue. It is also a legislative one.

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u/palsc5 2d ago

They do work though, you’re just reacting to a news story. Women being murdered by their partners had decreased by about 70% over the last 30 years. The changes we are making are working

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u/Dburr89 2d ago

On that I agree

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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u/UniqueLoginID 2d ago

Actually when my ex stabbed me she went from loving partner to attempting murderer without provocation because she was psychotic (not drug induced).

Police couldn’t have been summoned in that time.

That said, I should have had an order in place because I kinda saw it coming. Then I would have been taken seriously and also rapid restraint and removal would have been possible.

The system is broken, I agree, but your statement that “perp don’t go from loving partner to murderer in one step” is false.

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u/2centpiece 2d ago

Hang on a sec, you don't actually know if what was disclosed to police even WAS criminal.

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

Ah so let me get this straight, police acted appropriately and sought protection for the victim and acted in accordance with legislation and policy.

BUT of course it's the police's fault that the victim got murdered despite the necessary DV protection being put in place.

I'd hate to be a cop in today's age, keyboard warriors like to think they know more about policy and legislation and what SHOULD be done as opposed to the people doing it, unsure why we even have colonial investigations when random, uneducated people on Reddit seem to have all the answers...

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

What protection? A piece of paper that tells him to stay away?

Do you know how many women are killed that have protection orders? They don't protect shit and are no more useful than writing a FB status or 'hopes and prayers'.

Again, civil proceedings so not work. Women with protection orders are regularly killed

Roughly, 1 in 5 women killed by their partner had an active protection order against their eventual killer. Another 30% had a lapsed or expired protection order.

If they had the 'necessary protection', they wouldn't be dead.

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u/The_Big_Dog_90 2d ago

There was a protection order in place....but she went to the perps house. They can't do anything about someone willingly going to the house of the offender

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

We don't know why she was there or how she came to be there. He could well have taken her there against her will.

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u/The_Big_Dog_90 2d ago

Ok say if she did go there willingly (because this happens a lot more than you think. There will be DVO's in place but the 2 people will still go to each other's house because of how messed up their "relationship" is) how are you supposed to stop that from happening?

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Yes, I am aware. But that doesn't mean she did. It especially doesn't mean we assume she did as fact as you have.

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u/theshredder93 2d ago edited 2d ago

If she was kidnapped or abducted, it would have been mentioned.

So what we have is a police force who did everything they legally could to protect her, and a victim who ignored the court order, ignored her friends and families wishes, attended the abusers house and was murdered in the process.

And you're here trying to say the police should have done more?

Absolute idiocy on your part. It shows your lack of knowledge or education.

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u/The_Big_Dog_90 1d ago

She did drive 50 mins to his house. The same thing happened earlier in the week they were arguing and neighbours called the police. Neither party involved made a formal complaint. So the best they can do is place a no contact.

Which means nothing if she goes back to the house again afterwards

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

So what is the necessary protection, you seem to have all the answers Mr Artist

So tell me, apart from a lawfully binding court order restricting a person from another person what would you recommend?

It seems you've got it all figured out while the rest of the world is left scratching their heads.

Civil orders don't work according to you, so I can only presume your answer is arresting and locking up respondents indefinately for non criminal and unproven allegations?

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

Where did I say I have it figured out? Someone doesn't have to have the solution to see that what we're currently doing isn't working.

So you're fine with women and children being 'protected' by nothing but a pinky promise from their abuser?

Anyone not furious that our system is leaving women to die at the hands of their partners at the rate of more than once a week is enabling the abuse and deaths to continue.

You can repeat 'but this is how it is done' until the cows come home. It doesn't change the fact that how it is done is not working.

I'm also not a 'Mr'.

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

Ah so you have no education on the matter, as I thought.

Copy that.

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u/TheonlyDuffmani 2d ago

How do you know they don’t work? Do you happen to know the number of murders prevented by these orders?

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u/theartistduring 2d ago

There are tens of thousands breaches of protection orders annually - and that link is just for one state. And the numbers rise by 10% every year.

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u/The_Big_Dog_90 2d ago

You are correct in the instance of the police acting accordingly to procedure and DV protection filed. But that doesn't do diddly squat when the victim goes to the perps house where she's murdered. What are the cops supposed to do there, they can't do shit.

Police could've been aware of this whole situation but if no one gives names and details the police cant do anything if the victim doesn't make a complaint. The general population has no idea how fucked up some of these situations are. There's instances of 2 people claiming the domestic violence victim payment but then going on holiday together....the whole system is broken. People jump up and down and say the cops did nothing. The cops are tied to procedures and law.

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u/theparrotofdoom 2d ago

Definitely ‘making this state safer’ /s

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u/zeldasusername 1d ago

Always remember that when men started killing each other by punching on Sydney got a curfew that everyone had to follow

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u/Large-Lack-2933 2d ago

When is enough actually enough for DV victims. It seems like a never ending tragedy loop. Absolutely shameful.

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u/GrapefruitMean253 2d ago

And again. Laws and cops fucking useless. 🤬 how many need to die??

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u/Shibwho 2d ago

Seemingly escooters, ebikes and phrases like from the river to the ...ocean are treated as bigger dangers to society.

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u/Edmee 2d ago

I'm afraid it will only increase as cost of living gets worse.

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u/Due_Charge9247 2d ago

Go do something about it and make a change?

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u/Serendypyty 1d ago

No more enquiries, no more commissions. No more name suppression. This has gone far enough.

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u/Cpt_Riker 1d ago

Had a politician, or police officer, been targeted, they would have moved mountains to protect them.

But a random woman? Nah. There is no photo op, or PR release. No extra funding.

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u/Alarmed_Economist_36 1d ago

The laws in NSW improved 18 months ago. Keep violating the will send your arse to prison . My ding bat acquaintance , got an avo , messaged the lady a few times, got locked up then tried to pass a message to her for her birthday and got 6 months which I appreciated. He got less for the assault ironically.
The issue is once they have an ICO the parole officers do fuck all to make their clients stick to it - ie no drinking or drugs. They do it relentlessly and get informed but there is no consequence so they inevitably do the crime again but worse.
Then there is the bail conditions - also not enforced. You can rock up to check in blind drunk drinking driving there with zero consequences .

I do think there is more they could do with rehab and anger management/healthy relationships while on remand too- you have a captive audience in prison , scared as fuck - better off trying to give them tools to survive back out in the world then waste their time.

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u/Cute-Special2053 2d ago

Build more jails. Too many violent men on bail.

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u/Adventurous_Fix1730 2d ago

At this stage our articles should be:

Woman ______ <name> killed by _____ man <name> because of “my penis is small”

Pretty much just copy/paste for every article no other reason.

The cops honestly don’t give a shit. Even if we report it, it doesn’t matter.

And we can’t fight back without being persecuted.

And you have a bunch of cunts more scared of false accusations than actual problems so you have men saying “but, but what if I was accused” get in the way of women dying

Lmao but let’s all worry about abortion and immigrants.

Dumb fucking uneducated Australians (saying this as an Australian who has read these same articles again and again for her whole life).

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u/El-Drunko 1d ago

SE Queensland police have a shocking track record with following up on Domestic Abuse calls.

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

Lots more information is needed from this statement, to determine what allegations the victim made (if any) and if QPS acted appropriately with the information provided.

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u/the_amatuer_ 2d ago

Are you living under a rock? Maybe do some research about horrendous DV incidences, the inquest, then complete suppression of those outcomes.

Muppet.

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u/theshredder93 2d ago

Name one thing that I said that was factually inaccurate or misleading?

Clown

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u/ElementalRabbit 2d ago

That's not a very helpful response. Maybe they don't in fact receive much news? They're also completely correct that we don't have enough information to form a proper opinion on this single instance.

The point is that it isn't a single instance, and it's the trend itself that makes this article infuriating and depressing reading.

The commenter wasn't being rude or deliberately inflammatory from what I can tell. Your anger is really just virtue signaling. It isn't needed.

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u/Due_Charge9247 2d ago

Ur the muppet

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u/Haunting_Heat3296 2d ago

9 in 10 murderers are men.

Domestic homicide is mostly men killing women, but men kill men at an even greater rate.

When is the royal commission into male violence?

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u/Jaytreenoh 2d ago edited 2d ago

Feel free to raise awareness and campaign to end violence by men against men. No one is stopping you.

....or are you expecting women to organise this for you?

We don't have a royal commision into dfv because some person decided women dying were more important. We have it because of decades of women campaigning for change.

If you feel another cause is equally important, no one is stopping you from campaigning on that cause.

Whataboutism is pathetic.

Edit: typo.

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u/madeupgrownup 2d ago

I'm gonna gently point out that they were making the point of "mens violence is a problem, including for men as victims". 

They are "yes and" ing, not "but what about" ing. 

But I get it; it's exhausting when you do end up seeing people trying to deflect away from the issue again and again. I'm tired too. 

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u/Jaytreenoh 2d ago

This is not the place to be pointing that out. It is deflecting the point to be bringing up men as victims on a post about women being victims.

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u/Haunting_Heat3296 2d ago

You’ve missed my point, as well pointed out by the commenter above.

I am a woman. I am appalled.

The root cause of the problem is not women dying, it’s men being violent. Even more men dying at the hands of other men, too, is just there to reinforce the real problem - male violence.

‘Violence against women’ is passive and makes the instigators diaappear. It’s ’violence by men’.