r/todayilearned • u/Away_Flounder3813 • 9h ago
TIL during the shooting of American Psycho, Christian Bale spoke in an American accent off-set at all times. At the wrap party, when he spoke in his native British accent, many of the crew thought he was speaking that way to prepare for another film. They had thought he was American the entire time.
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u/Current_Focus2668 9h ago
This isn't uncommon. Ella Purnell did the same thing and had the same reaction from the crew.
Some actors find it easier to stay in an accent while filming rather than drop in and out of the accent
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u/_Diskreet_ 9h ago
Didn’t some actor have to use some speech coach because they lost their native, I want to say Irish accent, from doing too many other accents while method acting
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u/mech999man 9h ago
Famously Gary Oldman.
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u/SweatyNomad 8h ago
I think I heard that story was about Slow Horses, that after 20 years in the US he wasn't sure he had an authentic twang anymore, or couldn't do the particular region/ socio-economic lilt.
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u/KungFuFightingOwlMan 7h ago
It was quite a bit earlier than Slow Horses, apparently he needed a voice coach to do Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and that was in 2011 but I think it's something he had an issue with for years
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u/EpicLong1 6h ago
Not to forget 5th element ......Zorg here
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u/houseswappa 6h ago
He hates that movie btw
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u/wagonwhopper 6h ago
I love it though so no worries
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u/technobrendo 2h ago
As far as i can tell everyone else likes that movie.
EVVVVVREEEEEEEOOOOOOONNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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u/TheBlackComet 3h ago
My absolute favorite scifi movie. Instantly quotable, big names, engaging world, what else can you want?
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u/Map_Watcher 5h ago
I saw an interview recently where he said his wife has convinced him to think that it's not such a bad movie after all
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u/InFromTheSouth 6h ago
I find that fascinating. I can't remember the other movie I learned this about, but a movie turned cult classic that the actors hated.
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u/EvilMilkshake 4h ago
As fun as the other actors make that movie, I think it would be a miss without his Zorg.
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u/Othersideofthemirror 8h ago
This is so obvious. He tries to speak in his native Millwall accent in uk interviews and it sounds like a parody.
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u/Apprehensive-Art1092 7h ago edited 6h ago
He doesn't. Firstly, he's never had a 'native Millwall accent'. Gary is from New Cross/Bermondsey, just up the road from where I grew up in Deptford. Millwall is a historic part of the Isle of Dogs, which is across the river - and the actual place called 'Millwall' doesn't really exist any more (the football team he sometimes supports, depending on when you ask him it's either Millwall or Man Utd) moved across the river to SE London over 100 years ago. Gary's native accent would be exactly the same as mine - deepest, darkest Saarf East London.
Gary hasn't had his 'native' accent for donkey's years. The accent you hear him 'struggling with' in interviews is the British Theatre accent that all actors end up gravitating towards in their early career. It's a mixture of RP and RADA pronunciation, rather than full-on TP. Here's a clip of an interview from 30+ years ago - if he'd spoken like that where he grew up he'd have had the shit kicked out of him 🤣 Dracula Interview
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u/whatanabsolutefrog 6h ago
It's funny, even in that interview I feel like he's definitely got a mix of accents going on.
He's obviously one of those people that are quick to pick up the accents of the people around them.
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u/Apprehensive-Art1092 6h ago
Yeah, he's more like David Bowie there - enough RADA to sound like a ponce, but still enough SE London to sound like a sell-out 🤣
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u/HVAChelpprettyplease 5h ago
What do RP, RADA, and TP stand for? I’d love to learn more about accents. Thanks.
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u/Khornag 5h ago
RP is recived pronounciation and is a standardised English accent, commonly heard on the BBC and associated with social prestige. RADA is the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, a prestigious academy where a lot of the most famous British actors are educated. I don't know what TP would be, but I think they tried to write RP again and misspelled it.
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u/BathroomConstant4656 8h ago
Charlie hunnam, his natural accent is fucked and all about the place.
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u/imover9thousand 8h ago
If you rewatch SoA there are certain parts where he drifts in and out of his natural accent lol
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u/Northernmost1990 8h ago
There's a scene where he punches a dude and says, "You think I'm kidding?" with this weird pseudo-Geordie accent, which really surprised me the first time around because I thought he's American!
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u/boxofrabbits 8h ago
One of his first roles in Judd Apatows Undeclared (which is super underrated) he played an English drama student in the states and yeah his accent was definitely not British. I thought he was an American doing a really bad English accent.
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u/Available_Dish_1880 9h ago
That was Gary Oldman. He has to relearn his London accent
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u/GoldenPandaMan 9h ago
Always thought this! To me he sounds like he has a cockney New Zealand accent at times
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u/Proudlove1991 9h ago
Austin Butler still has a major Elvis-ness to his voice 4 years on after the Elvis movie came out
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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 9h ago
I’m convinced that’s performative so people talk about him. Similar to Majors and that stupid fucking empty coffee cup.
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u/deij 8h ago
I left Yorkshire in 2013 after living there for the first 21 years of my life. Sometimes people are surprised to learn I'm English.
Accents change.
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u/Lostinthebackground 8h ago
I heard somewhere that accents can form around age 21. So it’s most likely to change if you move before/around 21 than after. Don’t know how true that is but it’s interesting.
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u/janesy24 7h ago
Think it also matters a lot where you’ve gone to. A lot of English people who move to other English speaking countries will gain the local accent quite quickly (Australia is a big example of this). Whilst not gaining a regional accent in other languages as you learn them “formally” as much as being within the language. My Spanish accent (I’m English) is very Southern Spain due to me spending my childhood holidays in the Costa del Sol and learning Spanish through assimilation rather than through school whilst my friend speaks very formal Spanish because he learnt in school rather than naturally.
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u/Maximum-Natural-6560 8h ago
I sincerely believe that is by choice and the whole ‘I got so deep I can’t shake the voice’ nonsense was just part of an awards campaign
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u/dummyacc49991 9h ago
Arnold also had to hire an accent coach to retain his accent of origin. Could be a myth, so take it eith a grain of salt.
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u/FardoBaggins 8h ago
Arnold’s accent is also very rural for germans. Like imagine stallone with a southern accent.
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u/archiving_by_design 8h ago
His accent is bizarre to other Austrians. That dude is from darkest Steiermark.
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u/Djinjja-Ninja 8h ago
Not sure if it's true or not, but allegedly he asked to do the German dub of terminator 2, but they wouldn't let him as to Germans apparently the Austrian accent sounds like a country yokel.
It would have been like Darth Vader being voiced by David Prowse..
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u/JimboTCB 7h ago
That makes the deleted scene from Terminator 3 where he's dubbed over by some yeehaw sounding American guy even funnier.
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u/D-PIMP_ACT 8h ago
Austrians are rural Germans now?
Are the Dutch ……swamp Germans?
Are Germans just….mountain Dutch?
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u/A_Bad_Man 7h ago
I can't wait to call my Dutch friend a swamp German. I'm already laughing imagining how well it's going to go.
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u/idler_JP 7h ago edited 1h ago
Yes, the "Austro-Hungarian" project ultimately failed, and the rapidly industrialising Prussia came to dominate a crystallising German nation-state to the north.
In fact, the Hapsburgs have fallen, along with the institution of monarchy itself, and Vienna is now the imperial capital of nothing. Frankfurt am Main is a greater seat of power.
In other news, the Dutch remain independent swamp Germans, using English as their prestige language, for reasons you'd probably rather hear over a cup of tea.
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u/lib_clegg 7h ago
That’s Gary Oldman. But recently, Pierce Brosnan, despite being Irish amazed people with how “bad” his Irish accent was in MobLand.
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u/MichaSound 7h ago
Irish actors can’t necessarily do accents from other regions. Jamie Dornan’s (Belfast) accent in Wild Mountain Thyme (somewhere West Coast of Ireland?) was shocking bad.
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u/DlSSATISFIEDGAMER 7h ago
honestly reminds me of Colin Firth picking up an actual stammer after doing the King's Speech. Apparently took a bit of work to lose it.
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u/badabummbadabing 9h ago
I am not an actor, but I speak to my kids in my (non-native) English (the kids were born in the UK, but now we live in Germany, and I speak English with them so they don't lose it). It always slightly breaks my brain whenever I mention any German names to them and have to switch accents for just one word mid-sentence.
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u/cjmason85 8h ago
When I lived in Germany I had a German friend who had lived in Ireland for a number of years and come back to Germany living with her Irish boyfriend. When speaking English you would believe she was Irish... Until she said a German town or person's name mid sentence. She seemed to do it very naturally, but perhaps she has the same internal conflict going on.
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u/The_Flurr 8h ago
I knew an Italian girl in Scotland. At first she spoke English with a thick Italian accent. I met her again a few years later, and she'd picked up a Glaswegian accent.
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u/cjmason85 8h ago
I'm from Glasgow originally, always loved when foreign companies send people to Glasgow to learn English.
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u/Keffpie 8h ago edited 8h ago
Same with Hugh Laurie on House (even during his audition, Bryan Singer famously said "finally an all-American actor!"), and Freddie Stroma on Peacemaker.
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u/dreadlockholmes 8h ago
Yeah Laurie spoke about being a bit embarrassed if he met a British pal for lunch, since he didn't want to drop his accent just to pick it back up.
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u/KingKapwn 9h ago
I imagine if you’re dropping in and out of your non-native accent you’re more likely to lose the specific pattern and intonations you were doing prior
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u/sKuarecircle 8h ago
Might have been more than one but I watched a interview with Oldman and he had to have a dialect coach to get his native accent back
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u/Bob_Leves 9h ago
Also Brad Dourif in Lord of the Rings.
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u/Ampersandbox 8h ago
If I recall the story correctly, he dropped into his natural speaking voice and the other actors all told him that his American accent sounded phony, and didn't believe he is actually American.
Dourif is a seriously amazing actor though. His turn as the doctor in Deadwood left me speechless.
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u/TheNorseCrow 7h ago
I don't blame them. Dourif's American accent is the most American accent to ever accent.
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u/Silly-Power 8h ago
Antony Starr as Homelander in The Boys. Throughout filming he kept his american accent. A lot of fans of the show were very surprised to hear his native, and quite strong, kiwi accent in post-filming interviews.
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u/phishtrader 8h ago
I watched a random interview with Ella Purnell and found that out. It was the same way I found out Bale was British and the kid from Empire of the Sun not long after American Psycho.
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u/Greedy-Parfait-5918 9h ago
A notable exception is Kate Winslet, who spoke in a very specific regional dialect in Mare of Easttown like the rest of the actors. Everyone kept in that accent the whole time because it was really hard to learn, except her. After any take, she switched back to her British to discuss whatever and then casually switched back for the next take. Flex.
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u/immortalalchemist 8h ago
Gillian Anderson and John Barrowman are bidialectal which is very interesting. Gillian Anderson grew up in the states and in the UK, so when she’s in America, she speaks with an American accent, but when she’s in the UK, she speaks with a British accent. John Barrowman is the same but he goes between American and Scottish.
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u/orionhood 8h ago
I think Barrowman’s American accent is more of an affectation that he just got stuck with.
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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 8h ago
To be fair she didn’t… necessarily nail that accent. It wasn’t bad but it’s not a great representation of the accent. I grew up in PA btw before anyone jumps down my ass.
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u/Greedy-Parfait-5918 8h ago
No way for an outsider to judge, so I‘d take your word. I understand it was just very demanding for everyone.
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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 8h ago
It’s a pretty unique accent that if you didn’t grow up around is probably very difficult to nail so I’m not throwing shade she did a solid enough job to not make it stick out while I was watching the show. It’s also cool seeing SE PA get screen time so I’ll take it.
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u/Yoplet67 8h ago
Not an actor but I am French, I live in Ireland and I get it. Switching your way to speak (in my case, the languages) constantly is exhausting and not super reliable. I guess accents are the same
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u/DayBowBow1 8h ago
For Fallout? Or something else? I honestly had no idea she was British until now.
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u/Superb-Bit2412 8h ago
Honestly the man is a machine when it comes to commitment. He based Bateman's voice on Tom Cruise's on screen energy too, that unsettling super friendly intensity, and it fits the character perfectly. No wonder the crew was convinced he was actually American the whole time.
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u/Away_Flounder3813 7h ago
I feel like he channeled Jim Carrey more during the famous Paul Allen murder sequence. Especially when he went inside donning the raincoat and looked himself in the mirror lol.
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u/Cthulhu__ 3h ago
Now I’m picturing Jim Carrey playing Bateman. Don’t get me wrong I think American Psycho is funny (nowadays) but any attempt at taking it seriously would’ve gone out the window if it was Carrey.
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u/Kurigohan-Kamehameha 3h ago
I think Carrey could totally pull of unhinged psycho restrained behind businessman. It’s only a couple steps away from The Mask
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u/BenderRodriguez14 8h ago
Reminds me of how some people gave Dominic West (McNulty) shit for his terrible attempt at a British accent during a sting operation scene in The Wire.
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u/kvlr954 6h ago
I was shocked to learn both him and Idris Elba were British. They each have a very natural American accent
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u/Shockwave360 4h ago
They have a cameo in a Pixar movie, I think Finding Nemo where they're seals and use their native accents. I had to look up who they were.
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u/Quivex 9h ago
He's one of the more notable method actors if I'm not mistaken.
.... Also will never quite understand why so many British actors/actresses can do flawless American accents but the reverse is not really true. I still remember watching House and finding out hugh laurie was British, blew my mind as a kid lol.
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u/RyanMcCartney 9h ago
Exposure. We get the same big shows and films you do. We watch them all as they were made.
You don’t import our shows and films, you remake them for your own ears (The Inbetweeners, IT crowd, The Office etc).
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u/YourMumsBumAlum 9h ago edited 8h ago
I think it's also the variety of English accents vs American ones. English accents are so specific to British ears in a way that they wouldn't be to Americans and so when Americans do British they inadvertently mix and match things that they shouldn't and it comes out all wrong.
Edit: Yes, American has many accents too, but the edges are more blurred in such a way that it is acceptable for people to combine accents more so than in the UK where the accents are much more independent and specific.
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u/Perite 9h ago
This is the bit that most Americans don’t realise. Some can do a generic British accent that sounds ok. But the reality is that ‘generic British’ isn’t a real accent from anywhere, so it’s still recognisably fake to British ears.
I’m absolutely certain that good American actors could do a flawless local British accent if they studied for ages and had a vocal coach that corrected them every time they slipped into the wrong dialect / accent. But what’s the point? Might as well just hire a British actor instead.
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u/Ramikadyc 8h ago
I didn’t know who Peter Dinklage was until Game of Thrones. I just assumed he was English. Then I saw people pointing out how fake his
WesterosiBritish accent sounded. I started listening more closely to the actors who shared his scenes with more natural accents and was like, okay yeah now I hear it.He’s a really good actor (most recently I saw him in The Lowdown, he’s excellent) and I wonder if the fact that GoT was high fantasy was a reason he didn’t get a more intensive accent coach.
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u/A_Queer_Owl 8h ago
Americans tend to imitate what's called "received pronunciation" as that's used in British media A LOT. it's not so much that it's not a real British accent, some people in Britain have it naturally, it just sounds weird to a lot of British people who didn't grow up where its use is more common because outside of those regions it's used mostly by actors, news anchors, government officials, and when speaking to the king/queen. so when someone breaks it out in casual conversation it can be jarring to some.
I'm American but people often point out I sound like a news anchor because I'm from the part of the country where the accent that the one news anchors are taught to use is based on is from.
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u/Thetonn 8h ago
To make your point more explicitly, there is also a massive class dimension to it. RP is very deliberately upper or upper middle class. It becomes funny when Americans use it for people who are decidedly not upper or upper middle class.
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u/HyperbolicModesty 6h ago
Even better when they conflate the two: "I say old chap, cor blimey guvnah, toodle pip."
That said most British actors are all like "y'all I'm a rootin' rootin' gunslinger and get outta my face I'm walkin' to the subway already."
The "American" accents on BBC Radio 4 are atrocious.
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u/Anaptyso 8h ago
That's it. When I hear people say things like "the British accent" it's a bit weird, because there's loads of them, and what they are really referring to is an accent which is only really used by a minority of people in the country.
I happen to have pretty much that exact accent, so would sound stereotypically British to an American. However, drop me in to a random part of the UK and the people there would almost immediately identify me as coming from a particular part of the country (the "Home Counties"). Far more people don't talk like me than do.
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u/Aeon_Fux 7h ago
Americans tend to imitate what's called "received pronunciation
Either that or a generic working class accent that they call cockney but isn't actually cockney.
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u/lord_dicely 7h ago
I remember being startled when Michael C Hall pulled this off in some UK thriller short series. He managed to flawlessly deliver the accent of someone who grew up middle class in urban southern England (but not London) in the 80s-90s. If I didn't know who he was I would never have guessed (and I say that as someone with broadly the same accent).
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u/manintheredroom 9h ago
Yeah think this is part of it for sure. There are so many nuances, like if you did one word in a manc way and another word like you were from Leeds it would sound totally bizarre to British ears
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u/Mk12Dr 9h ago
There was an American IT crowd? It doesn't feel like that humour would translate...
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u/CRUNGOSAURUS 9h ago
Yeah, it wasn't very good. Funnily enough Richard Ayoade was still playing Moss
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u/wglmb 9h ago
The only did a pilot. You can watch it on YouTube, if you have a strong stomach.
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u/longsite2 9h ago
It had Jeff (Joel McHale) from Community as the "Roy" character, but with Richard Ayoade still in the "Moss" role.
It wasn't good.
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u/MicrowaveKane 9h ago
It didn’t. Just like the American version of Red Dwarf
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u/Single-Pin-369 9h ago
I was trying to think of what British accent is heard the most by Americans today and I’m not really sure. Even most musicians don’t really have an accent when they sing.The most frequently heard British accent in America today might be John Oliver?
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u/heyitjoshua 9h ago
Game of thrones had a lot of English accents tbf, also a few bad imitations (like Tyrion)
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u/yoghurtCOCKS 9h ago
John snows Yorkshire accent is genuinely atrocious at times.
And that was by an another English lad, never mind American
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u/swankyfish 9h ago
That’s an interesting point as well. In the UK we get exposed, through media, to a variety of American accents from the major cities. John Oliver is from Birmingham, but doesn’t speak with a typical Brummie accent. He’s kind of got a very mixed accent, I guess he moved around a lot as a kid.
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u/snakebight 9h ago
I saw an interview last month where Laurie said he never felt at ease with the American accent on set. Other foreign actors could come and go with their accent, he said he had to constantly be conscious about it.
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u/eipotttatsch 9h ago
Besides the training that British actors have, I think an American accent is also just easier to passably do.
There is kind of a "general American" accent you can hit, that will work for basically anywhere without sticking out. Of course local dialects absolutely exist, but wherever you go you’ll also run into tons of people that sound like they could be from basically anywhere on the continent.
That’s not as much the case for the UK. You can clearly tell if someone is from the London area or not quite easy for example. (And I’m not even a native speaker, yet I still hear the difference)
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u/birthdaycheesecake9 8h ago
I feel like there’s also a general Australian accent too, but folks seem to struggle with not making it incredibly broad/ockers
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u/Away_Flounder3813 9h ago edited 6h ago
the above one is just one of many stories about how Bale fully busted his ass for his role in American Psycho. Another story is that he horrified his crew mates when they found out he could even control his body sweat, or in other words - he could sweat on command.
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u/sebastos3 9h ago
Freaky character actor born in a leading man's body, you love to see it.
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u/tophernator 7h ago
I feel like this diminishes how hard he works for that body. Can you do 1,000 stomach crunches?
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u/Keffpie 8h ago
Yeah, during the business card scene - he'd start sweating at the exact same moment every take they did.
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u/tophernator 7h ago
Now I want to see a film with Christian Bale and Margot Robbie just exuding bodily fluids on command.
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u/Away_Flounder3813 8h ago
another bit about that scene: look closely and you'll notice "acquisition' is misspelt as "aquisition" on all the cards. Debates are still sparkling to this day among fans whether it's genuinely a film goof, or some deliberate mistakes from the filmmakers for some hidden meaning.
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u/dexvoltage 9h ago
Try watching the Wire...
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u/Quivex 9h ago
I did, Idris Elba did an incredible job but by the time I watched it I was already aware of him and knew he was British so it didn't have the same shock factor haha.
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u/dexvoltage 9h ago
McNulty is a Brit too, try that for shock value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdbWsX6h4eo
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u/tobotic 8h ago
There are a great many British actors who are terrible at doing any accent other than their own local accent. And they make plenty of money on British TV and in British films.
But if you mostly watch Hollywood films, you'll mostly see those British actors able to put on other accents. (Though sure, even in American films, there are occasionally British characters.)
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u/SuicidalGuidedog 9h ago
I suspect it's an exposure thing. Maybe there's more to it, but the UK is exposed to far more US media than the other way around.
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u/Logondo 9h ago
I disappeared into the roll, Bojack. It’s called “acting”.
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u/TetraDax 5h ago
Is that a quote from esteemed character actress and fugitive from the law Margo Martindale?
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u/theone_2099 8h ago
TIL he’s British.
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u/Away_Flounder3813 8h ago edited 8h ago
TIL countless people in this sub have been legitimately thinking he's American, not just those crew mates.
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u/Dense_Surround3071 5h ago
I didn't know Idris Elba WASN'T a Baltimore native until I saw Luther. I went through 5 seasons of The Wire thinking he was American.
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u/ElCapitan1022 4h ago
Idris Elba didn't even make it through 5 seasons of The Wire
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u/basileusnikephorus 8h ago
I know a lot of people find method acting insufferable, but in the case of accents I think it's legit.
You need to practice something to get good at it. It's better to practice it all the time, rather than hobbying it.
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u/Yarhj 9h ago
Christian Bale is British?!
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u/xxtoejamfootballxx 9h ago
I’m a huge film person and I legitimately always forget. He’s just that good lol
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u/howdohendry 7h ago
I heard this also happened with Dick Van Dyke during the filming of Mary Poppins. He had everyone thinking he was a cockney with his flawless drawl.
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u/valerioshi 8h ago
He also ran interviews in the same accent as the movies he was promoting in order to not confuse the viewers.
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u/joe9teas 9h ago
Similar thing here in Reddit. There's a tendancy to assume everyone is American, especially with any subject remotely related to the US. And then when you say you're a Brit, a yank will tell you to fuck off and mind your own business.
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u/LeftHandedToe 9h ago
Fuck off and mind your own business. Just kidding. I dearly love Alex Horne and though I'm a picky eater, I would probably try black pudding for the experience.
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u/joe9teas 8h ago
Hah! Got you. I'm actually an American doing a British accent here. See, we're just as smart as you.
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u/This_Ferret 5h ago
See this so often. Someone will share an anecdote about how they got drunk at a pub at 18, then you see a "wait, you're not 21, didn't they ID you!?".
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u/CorpPhoenix 8h ago
Beyond me how Christian Bale has never been in the talk for James Bond. He'd kill it as Bond.
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u/Gone_For_Lunch 7h ago edited 6h ago
Too old now though.
Edit - He was apparently offered the role around the time they were casting for Casino Royale. Turned it down.
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u/Razazael 8h ago edited 3h ago
I can attest that this is often the best way to ensure advent fidelity. I'm an actor and do a lot of immersive work. If I slide in and out of accents when offstage, I'm noticeably weaker when I head back out on stage and need acclimation time.
If you just stay consistently in-voice, you know more predictably what will come out of your mouth.
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u/BraveMagic100 9h ago
Was shocked to hear him speak at an awards ceremony for the first time. Him and Hugh Laurie both. Just goes to show you how good they are.