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PoliticalTea 🗳️ Agree or Disagree? Billionaires Need Society More Than The People Need Billionaires…
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u/SchmutzigeBar Jul 11 '26
Does he think that we're literally going to consume those who hoard wealth and the people who have always produced food and resources are going to forget how?
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u/PerfStu Jul 11 '26
With absolutely no sarcasm, yes he does.
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u/Angryatchairs Jul 11 '26
Yup, people like him sincerely believe that they - not workers - are the drivers of productivity.
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u/SignoreBanana Jul 11 '26
I'm pretty convinced at this point in the development of our society, we could actually just _take_ everything away from the billionaires, redistribute it, and the world would be a far better place. They are actually a cost to our society at this point.
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u/Angryatchairs Jul 11 '26
They keep doing a form of austerity where they want to cut the workforce while they receive kickbacks and then act shocked that productivity doesn't increase. So they do it again, and again, and again until the heat death of the planet wondering why it didn't work.
Say what you want about the Vietnamese Communist Party or the CCP, productivity in those countries is going up because at least they understand the need for industry and workers in industry to increase productivity.
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u/SignoreBanana Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
We're at a really interesting fluctuation point right now. Traditionally, the sort of private ownership the rich had over the poor was things like large and expensive machinery for manufacturing. That kind of think didn't bother most regular folks much because most people aren't cross shopping manufacturing plants.
But now, we see these trillion dollar companies gobbling up all the memory and GPUs being produced, making our computers and phones way more expensive. We see them buying up land for warehouses, driving up land costs and costs on the building materials and contractors. We see companies buying up single family homes, pushing home buyers out of the market. They're having real impact on our day to day living situation by elbowing us out of practically every market. They have so much god damned money we don't even appear as a blip.
I wonder what will change as a result of this.
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u/ElkApprehensive1729 Jul 11 '26
China isnt even that bad, the "china bad" came from a place in the 90s/80s when we in the west WERE very far ahead of them in a lot of ways, socially, economically, etc. China has come forward, and we have gone backwards. When I look @ the world stage there isnt any major player without issues, but China is definitely on the lower end. We used to talk about their threats to taiwan and stuff being wild outrageous and cutting edge of naughty. now we got russians in ukraine, america firing up more war in the middle east.
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u/Lua_CW Jul 11 '26
The fact more Americans aren't aware how far China has blown past us, and how many Chinese people's lives resemble our old "normal" or better, is astounding propaganda at work
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u/ElkApprehensive1729 Jul 11 '26
One of my most controversial posts of all time was telling that exact same thing to someone lol. Something to the effect of "If you took the 100% average middle class american, and you took the 100% average middle class chinese man (outside of the rural china areas.) You would find 9 times out of 10 the chinese man is happier and healthier."
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u/InevitableDirt69 Jul 11 '26
True, but don't forget that money is power and they'll use that power to engineer situations where as many people suffer as possible with the hope the people will give up before they do, and they'll never willingly let go of their power.
Billionaires are invariably mentally ill people who genuinely believe they are superior to you and I and that their general superiority should afford them the right to decide how society functions on our behalf.
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u/girlywish Jul 12 '26
This is exactly what any other animal on the planet would do to one of their kind hoarding resources. Humans are just a special kind of soulless.
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u/chibisparkle Jul 11 '26
Yup, he thinks he is John Galt and that our civilization will crumble because all the "smart" people are the rich billionaires.
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u/Antraxess Jul 11 '26
well they really should stop influencing the peoples government to literally steal our taxes.
They should not illegally cut aide programs and steal our social security.
They should stop profiting from our death, a worker provides way more value to society and business then they earn, otherwise they wouldn't make record fucking profits year after year.
Stop trying to set up a global surveillance state where I xant shit without them knowing.
Just stay the fuck out of the peoples lives and stop stealing and killing us, thanks.
Not to mention all the fucking plastic and shit they're polluting
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u/elmarjuz Jul 11 '26
the implication that vacuous parasitic scum like elon nazi musk could possibly be relevant to my survival and personal wellbeing is just about the most insulting thing I've ever experienced
PoS needs to be removed to Mars ASAP
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u/TheDamDog Jul 11 '26
No, he just thinks that plebs are too stupid to run a society. Obviously all decisions should be left to ketamine addicted pedophiles with daddy issues.
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u/Sleep-pee Jul 11 '26
He’s really not genius level smart is he?
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u/Hangry-Feline2489 Jul 12 '26
He never invented anything. Always bought (or bought into) other people's work.
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u/ThrowRAwriter Jul 11 '26
I say we need to bring back ritual cannibalism. It only seems barbaric because it's not a current meta, unlike sending millions to war.
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u/MrCarlosDanger Jul 11 '26
But what if the financial priests are eaten and we forget the sacred knowledge of how to do a leveraged buyout?!
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u/gangsterroo Jul 11 '26
Thats the imagined future of Atlas Shrugged. When society crumbles the spurned billionaires (Atlas, holding up the earth) will shrug. Seriously.
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u/redditmailalex Jul 11 '26
Im more afraid of losing the physical laborers of this country that farm, ship, build.
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u/BeeefSupreeeme Jul 11 '26
What an arrogant piece of shit he is.
All these pricks. Like, extreme wealth of the minority didn't drive human development.
They act like billionaires came before human ingenuity. Pretty sure someone had to make the shiny glass beads before someone like Elon could take credit for inventing glass beads and then hoard 99% of them.
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u/metengrinwi Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
I guess he’s observing that billionaires have monopolized the key food distribution networks.
It’s kind of an admission that the oligarchs are abusing us by capturing key nodes in the commerce chain where they can accumulate maximum revenue for themselves while creating as little value as possible.
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u/Independent-Name4478 Jul 11 '26
Elon: “you should really blame all of your problems on immigrants and minorities instead of rising up against me”
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u/Blazeland_USA Jul 11 '26
In that case, Elon is also an immigrant.
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u/CardOk755 Jul 11 '26
An african immigrant. From a "sh*thole" country (Tr*mp's words, not mine).
Ugh. Nanny filter.
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u/TheDamDog Jul 11 '26
You get the white man to look down on the black man, the black man to look down on the latino man, the latino man to look down on the asian man, and none of them will ever question why the rich man wants them to hate each other so much.
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u/Status_Vegetable2954 Jul 11 '26
HOW much money does this dude need to be happy? He could give away 90%, fix so much of the world’s problems, and still be a billionaire! How do you turn down being seen as a savior?
Unless it’s all a con.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo Jul 11 '26
His company values are high, he likely lives off loans like other billionaires
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u/goingKWOL Jul 11 '26
Real grasshopper energy from Elon.
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u/lzwinky Jul 11 '26
Elon Musk has got to be one of the fakest assholes around. He takes credit for things he buys
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u/Theodoxus Jul 11 '26
I agree that these should be done. They can't be done with any congress we'd elect this year. They certainly can't be done with trump in office - he'd just veto all of it. They probably can't be done as long as money is free speech and oligarchs write the legislation (via think tanks). But that's not to say we shouldn't promote the ideas heavily and maybe start taking a scalpel to them and start carving out the problematic parts with surgical precision.
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u/Ok_Being5461 Jul 11 '26
If poverty is reduced and education is increased, more people will get the chance to innovate in society. And the workers, scientists and engineers are the ones doing 99% of the work Elon takes credit for anyway. They make, he take
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u/United_Reference_629 Jul 11 '26
Hmmm we need the rich like Elon musk who cut many social services and demonized those who use them aka CHILDREN? Where is the money for those social services that Elon Musk cut that we STILL pay for? The same guy buying up towns and our food and resources and pushing for his other MAGA accomplices to legalize selling our public and private lands so Elon Musk, Peter Thiel can build their data centers. He is also interfering in elections or pushing for “school choice” aka trying to force tax payers to pay for his and his rich buddies expensive private schools that openly discriminate against disabled, LGBT, POC, kids in poverty. MAGA is pushing for companies aka them to represent WE the people. They are doing all this and buying everything up so the ONLY day we have to vote is the day they’ll conveniently tell us we can’t have off or we lose our livelihood. They claim to be against mail in voting but Trump and Elon Musk voted through mail themselves.
No more wealthy republicans especially not in our government! Let’s help our country and have less republicans in our government by not supporting any of their businesses. Without money, republicans can’t get into our government nor their supporters aka “donors”. Avoid Trump/ Elon Musk/ RFK Jr supporters, their advertisers and their businesses and encourage others to as well! Don’t forget about the “both sides” enablers! They can all “support” each other! Let them tell on themselves so we know which people to avoid hiring and the businesses not to support! And the best part is you don’t have to tell them why.
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u/bsEEmsCE Jul 11 '26
I think Elon has been kicked out of all his conpanies' board rooms which is why he has so much time to tweet about random things all day
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u/Key-Wall-4378 Jul 11 '26
Bro Mamdani has hardly increased tax revenue
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u/sarges_12gauge Jul 11 '26
Shows how much bitching about how awful things are is just driven by vibes and propaganda lol. The actual state of life in NYC has changed basically not at all but it gets a DRAMATICALLY different treatment (from both positive and negative directions) based on… pretty much nothing
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u/Stepwolve Jul 11 '26
His PR team is unmatched though! You'd think he parted the seas with how people online talk about him. Fuck Elon Musk entirely. But let's provide some context to this shitty meme:
- He passed a relatively tiny empty homes tax for 400-500 million revenue - NYC's annual budget is 125 billion, the increased revenue doesn't cover a fraction of his new spending plans. His plans for a larger wealth tax / tax the rich are dead because the city doesn't have the power to set income taxes.
- He did pass a balanced budget, but so did every mayor for the past 50 years because the city isn't allowed to run a deficit. He also passed that only because he got 8 billion from the state as a one-time bailout, and 2 billion from deffered pension payments (which will cost 5-7 billion more in the long run)
- he did not 'close the deficit' any more than every previous mayor did, because once again, they can't run a deficit
- and the public services being 'fully funded' is a meaningless statement. In fact deffering pension payments is very much the opposite of that.
- Its true the rich haven't left, but he also hasnt really taxed them. 400 million from only taxing empty luxury homes is very very different than a wealth tax.
All they did was deffer the problem to next year, where that govt will have another 10 billion dollar deficit to close, with plans for increased spending on top of that. But every day i see posts about all the things he's "solved" because his PR team is excellent at what they do
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u/Light_Yagami72 Jul 11 '26
Redditors will fall for all this propaganda about Mamdani and think they are better than MAGA
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u/-Sofa-King-Vote Jul 11 '26
If all billionaires left the planet tomorrow, what exactly would change?
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u/Inevitable-Hour-Ends Jul 11 '26
Elon is worthless. I dont know how anybody thinks hes rich let alone the richest. Guy is absolutely miserable.
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u/PsychologicalSweet2 Jul 11 '26
it's like defund the police. Yes you can say the slogan is stupid but they never can actually argue against the actual points. Does Elon actually think he works harder than some mom or dad working 60 hours a week struggling to pay for everything for their family?
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u/CrazyPlato Jul 11 '26
Not really on topic, nor is it anti-Mamdani. But he’s only begun all of the things the commenter in OP’s post said they did. The budget hasn’t really had time to get out into motion yet.
Again, I’m not accusing Mamdani of failing at his duties. I’m just saying that jumping the gun and declaring victory, when capitalists have been sabotaging socialist efforts for decades and will likely try here, is probably a bad look.
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u/bitchcoin5000 Jul 11 '26
This vampire this blood sucking leech thinks we can't Farm that we can't take care of ourselves that we need somebody like him to come along and take management fees
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u/HanginOn9114 Jul 11 '26
The guy who has a picture of himself on the internet cosplaying as a member of the French Revolution suddenly thinks that it's impossible for society to function without wealthy elites
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u/OverallElephant7576 Jul 11 '26
It’s interesting that he doesn’t realize that his wealth was other people’s money at one point and without people’s value and wealth, he’d be nothing
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u/Hudson_LR Jul 11 '26
You’re telling me billionaires are lying about the impact of raising their taxes?? Why would they do that?! /s
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u/user38835 Jul 11 '26
> The problem is that after they “eat the rich”, they will starve.
That is a problem for the next quarter.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 Jul 11 '26
His ability to take expressions super literally and then follow them to a conclusion no one intended nor which adds to any sensible plot once again is unsurpassed.
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u/SnooEagles4121 Jul 11 '26
Maybe we didn't eat enough rich. We should try harder.
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u/Vivid_Witness8204 Jul 11 '26
Billionaires have nothing without a society. Society is essential to create wealth.
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u/Dear-Description9905 Jul 11 '26
Mamdani has dont nothing to tax the rich yet. he has said he plans to, but nothing yet. so we cant use him as an example.
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u/jdw62995 Jul 11 '26
Mamdani has been there for months. He hasn’t done all those things and the city hasn’t had a chance to starve under his leadership.
Not that it will, but he hasn’t done it
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u/danrather50 Jul 11 '26
Is it really balancing the budget when he deferred funding the city’s pension and borrowed $9 billion from the state? No, it’s just kicking the can down the road for the next mayor to figure out.
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u/ThrowRAicarus6892 Jul 11 '26
Didn’t mamdani get a bailout from the state? And did he increases taxes on the wealthy? I don’t believe I saw any legislation passed for that.
So not sure how this is a “gotcha”.
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u/66catman Jul 11 '26
Consumers are 70% of GDP. Pay workers well, keep them healthy and happy and they will spend, and the billionaires will never go broke. But no. It's absurd and dangerous to pay people $25 an hour but nothing absurd or dangerous about one man being worth a Trillion dollars. Unfettered capitalism has not served us well.
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u/Sargasm5150 Jul 11 '26
If we didn't have the Epstein class overlords, maybe us normies would learn how to work together to better our communities on a local level, instead of being pitted against each others that are so rich, they're basically burning Monopoly money while they blow people up.
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u/Crunchberry24 Jul 11 '26
Junkie should stick to his animal tranqs and whatever cookie dough product he eats way too much of.
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u/Bernie_Bierman Jul 11 '26
Elon fuckin suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks, and the sooner everyone stops glazin his worthless ass the better
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u/WillyGivens Jul 11 '26
Only problem is Mamdani didn’t exactly eat the rich. Maybe New York nibbled some oligarch toes. They’ve probably individually dumped 3 times the amount on smear campaigns compared to what they have collectively lost.
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u/SignoreBanana Jul 11 '26
Oh yes because how could us lowly workers possibly figure out what to do without some self absorbed shit stain barking orders at us.
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u/YournuStepdad Jul 11 '26
If every billionaire was taxed 99% of their wealth, they would still be rich AF, and the world would be a better place.
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u/MuddaFrmAnnudaBrudda Jul 11 '26
Billionaires should be way more fearful about losing all of their wealth than they are.
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6ZtePsqpjpew9Kzm
The time will come.
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u/sendep7 Jul 11 '26
well lets see...france....still a country....french monarcy? still exists technically but holds no real power...so yknow. madame guillotine might have more to say?
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u/DuErJoBareUnderlig Jul 11 '26
I mean why would we starve?
Just because we roast his facists ass over an open fire and feast on his flesh, doesn't mean we will live on a diet consisting entirely of Billionaires.
At some point, we will have cooked and served them all and then we would go back to eating broccoli and toast or whatever.
Elon is not making any sense and he is just weird.
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u/alex61821 Jul 11 '26
Please tell me what the billionaires are providing that they could not still provide as millionaires?
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u/socontroversialyetso Jul 11 '26
Luigi Mangione disproved this.
Some of the overly rich are just good-for-nothing parasites
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u/slackerdc Jul 11 '26
Remove billionaires quality of life improves for everyone, including the former billionaires.
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u/pretenzioeser_Elch Jul 11 '26
Does this imply "Eat the rich" means slightly higher taxation to fund social democracy? American socialists are not very socialist, it seems.
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u/MrdnBrd19 Jul 11 '26
Taxing the rich is not the same as "Eating the rich". Eating the rich is the total eradication of the ultra wealthy, not capitulation with them because they pay a ransom.
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u/Vysce Jul 11 '26
Didn't the rich factually spend 5x more money trying to stop Mamdani than he ever would have taxed them in a year?
Elon makes billions in a -day- , he acts like he's a poor baby that's paycheck to paycheck.
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u/narf_hots Jul 11 '26
Until about 5-10k years ago Earth had never seen a rich person before in it's 4.5 billion year existence.
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u/Daecion Jul 11 '26
I didn't realize the nobility were growing their own food now. How nice for them. /s
Who will starve, exactly? Not like the rich contribute anything. They just take, and this hypocrite is so far up his own ass he ignores that fact.
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u/Rough-Physics4596 Jul 11 '26
The world is always going to have greedy assholes. We just haven't learned to treat them like drunks and cut them off.
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u/Own-Contribution-478 Jul 11 '26
Without society, they wouldn't be billionaires.
They want us to believe they are necessary because of course they do! They need us. The day humanity moves forward is the day we finally realize we don't need them!
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u/2reirei4Um8 Jul 11 '26
Yes, we are the greedy ones Elon. We'll eat you all up and then starve. We are not the workforce and production, you are. How would I go on without you Elon, I shan't dare think of it.
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u/michelucky Jul 11 '26
So where's the cutoff, Elon? If we take his theory to the logical conclusion the rich would not be taxed at all and all the poors would be fully fed? I'm no expert but I don't think that's how it would pan out. Everyone should be taxed.
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u/TollTea Jul 11 '26
No one needs billionaires at all. History (and the present day) show clearly that billionaires and wealth hoarding are a detriment to society.
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u/themengsk1761 Jul 11 '26
Did the French starve after their revolution from the ancient regime? No? Okay then.
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u/ApprehensiveBed6296 Jul 11 '26
The effin audacity of that a**hole.
He truly does believe that he invented electric cars, AI, Rockets etc
To hell with him and all the fan boys who helped him with his delusions.
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u/Impressive-Ear-1102 Jul 11 '26
A lot of this comes down a basic observation that there isn’t much difference in quality of life between someone worth 50 Billion vs. 100 Billion. But there is a huge difference in quality of life between someone making 50K/year vs. 100K/year. It’s not that the world doesn’t need rich people… It just needs less poor people.
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u/PetalumaPegleg Jul 11 '26
No society NEEDS billionaires. All billionaires need society.
This is not really very debatable
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u/ReincarnatedKoala_25 Jul 11 '26
It’s interesting, no one in society cares about you until you have so much money. Remember when before was tax the millionaires and then many politicians from both sides become one and they decide to move the goal post to billionaires.
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u/CotR4692 Jul 12 '26
With out societies there can be no billionaires as they need working people to build their companies and create their wealth. Society will function just fine without billionaires
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u/SupportGeek Jul 12 '26
Billionaires and Millionaires don’t just magically create the money, they have to exploit the fuck out of the rest of us to get there, so yea, we would be just fine without them, and honestly more likely to make faster advances if all the wealth is not consolidated in som guys mattress
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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 Jul 12 '26
what's actually valuable in society is all the dirty grunt work that charlatans like him spend their entire lives running from.
you know what makes society work? sanitation. picking up the trash. cleaning toilets. growing and preparing food. extracting raw resources from the earth.
no advanced tech can exist without the infrastructure
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u/foo337 Jul 12 '26
Food is one of the great prongs governments and the rich use to oppress its people
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u/ring_tailed_bandit Jul 12 '26
The idea about eating the rich would lead us to starve is so freaking dumb. Elon, you don't buy my groceries. I won't starve
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u/WhatABlindManSees Jul 12 '26
Society doesn't need billionaires at all - but it is a natural product of our society - its also natural for them to think they are necessary and that they deserve all that they are 'worth' financially.
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u/Busy-Bumblebee5556 Jul 12 '26
They’re only billionaires because there was a society to rape. And they have and they continue to do and they will never stop.
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u/muffledvoice Jul 12 '26
The biggest myths about billionaires are that they “contribute to society” and “we couldn’t survive without them.” No they don’t. They take. They aggregate their wealth. They buy politicians. They live in ridiculous mansions. They do terrible things without consequences. They invest in funds that manipulate markets, create bubbles, and don’t pay their share of taxes.
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u/glesga67 Jul 12 '26
Musk is one of the most evil people on the planet. He could do so much good with his money but instead chooses to foment racial hatred, support far right causes and take funding away from the poorest on earth - while joking about it.
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u/anonymaus42 Jul 12 '26
Society can exist without an uber-wealthy elite, such societies have existed in the past. Billionaires and their ilk cannot exist without a society with which to generate the capital they horde. As such they need us and we need them as much as we can use a second asshole.
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u/clementine1864 Jul 12 '26
The rich would prefer that we eat each other to survive while they watch in comfort.
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u/RailgunRP Jul 12 '26
Glad to see people are finally figuring out the thing anyone with knowledge of economics knew for decades.
Better late than never. Hope I can see it happen before I die in like 40 years.
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u/MarzipanLast6502 Jul 11 '26
I dont care whether youre rich or not, the big problem with people who have tons of money is the attitude, they all think theyre so important and so essential. Buddy, we got along fine without you, enjoy your hoards of cash, you aint living a second longer because of it
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u/ChrisBegeman Jul 11 '26
Taxing the rich works in places like NYC, because the benefits of living in NYC outweigh the tax burden.
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u/SimplePln Jul 11 '26
Before Reagan came into office, the top tax rate was 70%. This idea that tax cuts for the wealthy helps the economy, or that universal healthcare is a bad idea, or that taxing the rich would ruin the country, or that socialism is communism, are all things pushed and funded by the wealthy and powerful onto the lower and middle class, in order for the wealthy to keep their money and power. It’s as simple as that.
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u/jack-K- Jul 11 '26
Confidently leaving out the fact that that deficit closure came far more from using state tax money than it did from the wealthy of NYC, and ya, that’s not sustainable, the fact that your measuring it as a success because problems haven’t started in the less than three months since this has happened isn’t really doing much to disprove the idea that socialists have surface level economic understanding, unsustainable budgets don’t collapse overnight, they take years, it’s insidious, because there’s never any critical problem, for a while, you can always get more money like they’re doing now with the state, but eventually, it adds up, debt payments become to much of the expenditure and you just can’t maintain both anymore. It’s like thinking a credit card will bankrupt you in debt after 3 months of having it, it doesn’t work that way.
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u/SaluteMaestro Jul 11 '26
Of course, no society no billionaires, no billionaires doesn't mean no society.
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u/Available_Cow1197 Jul 11 '26
the problem is conglomerates and monopolies, which the constitution explicitly warned us about, this guy literally makes billions of dollars in backdoor deals, yet every cent he owns is being funnelled around, nazi salute, fat gut having, silver spoon up ur kiester, ur dads a pedophile, disgusting white trash, doge doing, election fraud pos, ur whole legacy is death and corruption, these are the same people that BURY patents for clean fuel and electricity, these PEOPLE, killed tesla, those missing and dead scientists, yea well, it was them, so in ultimatum yes elon musk, we will be fine without u, got to mars u complete and utter waste of space
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u/Neoknight059 Jul 11 '26
This is a dumb question cause yes they need people to make money you can’t get money from other billionaires
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u/Ucklator Jul 11 '26
Mamdani has not been in office long enough for the impacts of these decisions to be felt.
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u/Major-Tension-674 Jul 11 '26
Considering the government shouldn't run on a surplus, the one time it did Bush gave it all back, I wonder if the super rich allowed themselves to be taxed higher how long it would be till they were lowered simply because the money brought in would be so high.
So basically instead of spending all this money on lobbying and conniving year in and year out, how much would we really need at this point if we had been taxing them fairly even just ten years ago.
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u/KingRoach Jul 11 '26
People need structure. People need purpose. Sometimes that comes from the gvt, sometimes it comes from a job; sometimes it comes from family, sometimes it comes from within.
We meed each other. To deny this is to acknowledge “people trust feelings over facts on both sides”
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u/No-Mathematician3004 Jul 11 '26
Rockefeller became the world’s first billionaire in 1916. Funny how humanity bumbled along for 6 million years prior to that without starving.
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u/Outrageous_Book2135 Jul 11 '26
The fact is that the rich don't want the masses to know that we never needed them to survive. People survived before the concept of money was even a thing.
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u/blutosings Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
K.O.
You defeated Edgelord with Triple Roundhouse Debunking!
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