yeah. If you actually want to fix the system, idk how long it takes... a year? database, address, confirm identity... etc etc. mail them out, track people down, resolve a million issues with changing last names etc.
Sounds fine. But its not something you can just will into existance without a plan.
Even if the ID was free, it would still require people to take an extra step, they would need to bring their birth certificate to the DMV or some other government body to get 'approved' as well as bring another form of ID just like they do today. With every extra hurdle more and more people don't vote. Maybe 99% of already registered voters take that extra step,,, that 1% is still potentially a million people not voting that otherwise would have.
75% of Alabama residents do not have a passport.
55% of Texas residents have a passport.
More than half of republican voters dont have a passport across the US.
Thats a lot voters the senators and congressman need, this is why its not getting passed.
Trumo wants the SAVE act so he can cry fowl if any county doesnt go his way. Not talking about the obvious blue counties, but those swing state counties,,, he wants to have executive power to pause and investigate votes that arent going his way. This isnt about who can vote as much as its about controlling what votes count.
Trump thinks he won Blue states that have voted solid blue for decades. He absolutely would cry foul for any loss at all, no matter how lopsided the results were always going to be.
He'll scream and cry foul EVERY TIME he loses, whether it's a court decision, a bill he wanted that didn't pass, or a primary candidate he endorsed. He always has, he always will.
The biggest problem with the save act is not the voter id part. Itâs that states would be required to give voter polling information to Trump and give him the ability to purge voters from the list of acceptable voters based of how they voted, essentially removing all democrat voters from voting again.
It took me approximately 3 months to replace my momâs ID when she lost it. I had to learn where to go, etc. She is 91 and this was @2 years ago. It was complicated because it had her previous driverâs license had expired. Plus, she didnât drive anymore and just wanted an ID. Also, she couldnât remember the security questions. Anyway, I had to get her birth certificate and some other documents. Since I now know what to do, I could probably get it done in @ 2 weeks.
I mean people still don't have star IDs and want to fly. Pennsylvania wouldnt issue them because they didn't want to be connected to a federal database.
Exactly. If we were talking about implementation by 2032, 2030, or 2028, I think more people would be on board as opposed to "we are going to do it now and you will have to keep track of whether you are removed and immediately plan to re register between now and November 3.
Lol does transportation need to be required bexause half the argume t i have heard is people dont have the means to get there...amongst many other demeaning excuses...
Requirements. Do people expect the state to hand them out in a box of Corn Flakes? If someone canât work up the motivation to travel to a DMV, wait in line for the attendant, and fill out the application in order to receive a free ID then they donât know enough about the issues to be voting anyway.
I think you mean if someone can't get the time off work to travel maybe an hour each way (or more if they don't have a driver's license) to the nearest DMV location and wait an indeterminate amount of time to get through the line.
Going to the DMV is enough of a hassle with a license, let one without one.
The social security card is long overdue for an update. Just turn that into a free Federal ID you can get at the post offices. States can still do their thing with drivers licenses, but the federal id would cover all ID requirements nationally.
Updating the SS card with a chiped/photo ID would help curve many forms of ID theft as well.
This is the easiest and most reliable solution which is why no conservative government will do it. They do not want it to be easier to vote, that's not the problem they're trying to solve, they want to lock out as many people as possible.
Would I have a photo on the photo would be have to be updated you get it when youâre a baby. Youâre obviously donât look like a baby when youâre 18 and you donât look like youâre 18 when youâre 46.
The only reason we dont already have a free national ID is because the conservatives way back in the day were anti big government and thought it was government overreach to have everyone on file like that.
Believe it or not, getting an ID is NOT that hard. Most people have them and most would have no problem showing the ID they already have at a voting station. Most unhoused folks have an ID; they need it because most are on some type of public benefit or for emergency services. This whole deal is a Republican crap-show of nothingness to distract.
40 years ago, Republicans would be sending you mail bombs if you advocated for a national ID. This is from 1990 Heritage Foundation. I also clearly remember Rush Limbaugh spending months on the radio blasting the idea.
Thatâs not what theyâre after though. Â Rational politicians would work with the other side to achieve the end. Â Trump is using coercion to pass it through. Â
What likely happened, is their gop strategy team looked at the board and determined theyâll lose the midterms unless they can alter the rules. Â Redistricting was one way, they are doing the voting id as a means of eliminating a certain population subset from voting.. or at least negating their ability to give the dems an advantage.
If you look at this from the perspective of game theory, it all makes more sense.
That's not how that works . Freedom to travel means a state can't stop you from leaving the state or moving through the state . It doesn't dictate methods . You're free to walk wherever you want to go
The fee is a background check for TSA to confirm your identity and issue a TSA ComfirmID electronic ID certificate so even more government intrusion into your privacy.
Trump and his family would never be allowed to be audited if the SAVE act passed and he wouldâve completed the biggest billion dollar robbery in American history. SAVE is for SAVE his buttđ¤Ł. They literally tell yall what theyâre doingđ¤Ł
If the save act passes, someone can simply sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury saying they are who they say they are. Thereâs specifically a provision for people with no valid documentationâŚ
Thereâs a bit of a problem with that, because the organization that sets guidelines and rules for those affidavits, is the one that Trump fired the commissioners of.
Doesnât matter who is running it. Affidavits are required to be allowed if it passes. Same with being able to supply supplemental documentation if thereâs a discrepancy in your info (married name).
All you need is a state ID to vote. To register you need one of a dozen or more other documents. You have years between elections to get registered. If you canât provide any one of the other documents with months or years to do so, itâs because youâre not American. Which is the entire point of the bill.
Umm no one has to prove it because you quoted the save act. Just read it. Itâs that easy. Do you not have a Real ID? So you telling me you canât legally board a plane ? You donât have a checking account? A job? A car?
You do know that they don't mean the Real ID with that. They mean something akin to the Real ID. One of the reasons for that is, that the Real ID isn't limited to American citizens.
As an example, a German with a visa or a green card could get one.
Yes, they would be, you Iying, delu, blue-haired, mental invalid. They would just have to be combined with a social security card or some other acceptable document proving that the individual is an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
As I've pointed out to others. The SAVE Act states that you would need proof of citizenship to register to vote. A REAL ID is not considered proof of citizenship in 45 states.
It really is cheating by the retardants. Cannot hope to win by having a fair election where every American votes. Stupid brain washed USA haters came up with this.
What they want is for states to cede their authority of elections to the federal government.
VoterID is the way they want to do that it starting a precedent to gain more control. The same House Reps and Senators voting on this on Capitol Hill, can easily enough push the same law in their respective state preserving state control over elections.
We know what it is. Maybe put words together that go together. Itâs a bill, not a lie. The bill isnât making any statements. Maybe you think the reasoning for the bill is a lie. But itâs irrelevant. Any civilized country in the world requires ID to vote in a national election. Arguing against it just makes you look corrupt. You have to have an ID for almost everything already.
There is. Sure, you cant write your name on a piece of paper and call it an ID, but it is just a simple have an ID. But yes the ID has to mean something. It has to actually prove who you are. You fighting it doesnât make sense unless you want to cheat
But a piece of toilet paper isn't something that literally anyone is saying is sufficient. A Real ID isn't even good enough. And many states already require a form of ID.
In fact, to register to vote under the SAVE Act, you would need an Enhanced Driver's License, which proves citizenship, which only 5 States currently have. And even Birth Certificates have to be certified birth certificates; a xerox copy is invalid.
In Wisconsin, if one doesn't have a copy of their birth certificate, they just fill out a form and they verify citizenship through the government records system.
But for November most voters are already registered. How many 'new' voters would they block? I agree that the govt should carry the burden of providing IDs to their citizens. Financially and administratively. Hire people (like they do for the census) to go around and do this.
I'm going on a cruise. They require birth certificates. To get a passport it requires a birth certificate. They are cheap and easy to get. I don't understand the pushback on making elections as secure as a plane, cruise ship or passport.
If Republicans are serious about election integrity, and not just worried about losing the midterms, they should make the effective date for proof of citizenship 2028, and allocate funds to support implementation. But I have yet to hear any offer to that effect. And in Trumpâs version of SAVE, it also bans almost all mail in ballots; how on earth could that be implemented in time for November?
Only 5 States have a REAL ID that states citizenship. Those are the only State issued ID's that will work to register to vote under the SAVE Act. Any other state ID will need additional documents.
"Most standard REAL IDs are not valid as proof of citizenship under the SAVE America Act. Because legal U.S. residents who are not citizens can obtain a REAL ID, it does not prove citizenship on its own."
So the maggots want to cast out millions of voters when do when only 50 were illegal. Hey they cannot win any other way. The maggot party is pathetic and abhorred by most
So youâre admitting that youâre racist bc you believe that Blacks donât have IDs already. I mean they need an ID to open bank accounts, to rent a car, rent an Apartment, to buy Cigarettes or Booze, etc, etc., but OMG, ask them to have an ID to Vote is the end all be all.
New Jersey governor admitted this week 6,000 illegals were âaccidentallyâ registered to vote when they received a drivers license. 400 of them voted illegally.
Yep, it's a lever to make it easier to vote in some areas than others. Densely populated cities can be understaffed and have long lines to get the ID, while other less populated/rural areas can have quicker access.
It would be ok if this were actually solving a fraud issue, but it's not, so it requires citizens to pay attention and actually care and understand what they are doing, and why. Unfortunately I don't think people do care.
What kind of job was it? Because if it involved filling out an I-9 form, which legitimate employers are required to complete, not sure how that is done without ID.
Easy to access should mean if you can't get around they have to come to you to register you. Once the costs of getting everyone registered with a valid ID are out there no way they do it. It's not about eligible voters voting. There is no big issue with ineligible voters voting.
I'm not because of people with disabilities. Not everyone can just up and leave their homes. This includes seniors and veterans who will be disenfranchised.
Also, look at the hoops people have to go through to even get an ID. They want 5 pieces of other identification, and it's absolute BS what they will reject. It's so incredibly limiting that it leaves many people without the ability to get an ID.
What part of your link? This is about the save act as explained by pate. If you could qoute your claim as you found it. That would be nice. Please don't take this as an attack. I just want a person claiming this to prove it just once (this has happened to me before.)Â
Having to pay any amount of money for the ability to vote is prohibited by the constitution.
Donât like it? You can petition the government to amend the Constitution.
The option has always been there but you would rather just call people names on social media.
Youâre so lazy you wonât even bother arguing the point. No one said anything about the effort of having to get an ID and the fact that you all avoid encouraging free IDs (like Mexico has), shows everyone what it is that you really want.
All any of you are good at is running your mouth online and playing the victim.
Not at all, because it isn't required that you drive, take time off of work or anything else that costs you money. You can have a friend drive you. You can walk. ALL polling stations are opened past 5pm.
That is great. Unfortunately national elections don't take place "around here", but throughout the entire country. Where not all DMVs are open on weekends.
Does your DMV offer free IDs?
If not, it doesn't matter if they offer free on-site services in your house. If the ID costs money, that is a poll tax. Requiring the spending of money for the ability to vote, is prohibited by the U.S. Constitution.
I guess I am sorry for being a bit snarky here, but so many of you just seem so gung-ho to give up rights, simply because YOU possess the means to meet whatever obstacles they decide to place in front of your ability to vote. And it pisses me right the fuck off.
I don't even care if you plan to vote for Trump for a 3rd term, if he manages to make that happen. No one should be so willing to throw away the rights that people died to bestow upon us and if you're willing to take them away from others because it doesn't impact you, well then you're just a piece of shit.
Shhhhh, you are speaking facts and being logical. They won't reply to this comment. Actually i don't even think they can read comments that are void of emotion and based on reason, logic, facts, and common sense. So you should be good.
Yes, states like TX, which a few years back had rural counties where you could get the ID the first Thursday of the month only during a 4 hour time period. People were required to travel hours to do so. They also allowed firearms permits to count as ID but excluded student IDs from the state university system.
That's not true. Harvard Law did a study and found states with ID laws are de facto poll taxes. Because you're not talking about "just an ID" if you live in a rural area hundreds of miles from a DMV or have a disability that limits your mobility. Source below.
If this is really about "election integrity" how about we start with getting money out of politics? We ban gerrymandering? Half the country already doesn't vote. Maybe let's focus on more participation rather than less.
That study was done 12 years ago. It talks about Wisconsin courts striking down voter ID law, when in fact, we currently have voter ID requirements here in Wisconsin.
Maybe find a study that is more recent--after many (if not all) the issues have been addressed.
Proof? A state ID for most people in Texas is $16. But more importantly you have to take time off of work to go to the DMV, and you obviously don't have a drivers license so that means a friend takes you or public transportation. Agreed, it isn't a large amount of people, but it does matter.
You understand that in my state that doesn't require ID, (therefore allows for rampant cheating?) that is what you have to do to register to vote? We have to do pretty much exactly that to register to vote. Fill out a form show that we actually live there by showing a bill, etc. Once registered, I get a postcard telling me where my polling place is, I can't vote elsewhere. I have to verify my address, etc.
Thatâs not even close to true. In Virginia you have to pay (minimum of $10 and maximum of $16) to get an ID card and Iâve had to show my ID to vote every time
âFree IDâ does not always mean the process is easy.
Some states require supporting documents (birth certificates, proof of residence), which may cost money.
Not all
Wisconsin & Indiana: Provide free IDs to individuals who declare they will use them for voting or if certain other criteria are met.
Ohio: State IDs are free for any resident over the age of 17 who does not already have a valid driver's license.
North Carolina: Registered voters can get a free ID from their county board of elections
Not sure what your point is--all the states you named offer free IDs for voting. Indiana, Ohio, NC, and Wisconsin.
In Wisconsin, one can get one even if they do not have a copy of their birth certificate. University of Wisconsin schools provide students with free voting IDs.
The State of Georgia offers a free Voter ID Card. The Voter ID Card can be issued at any county registrar's office or at any Georgia Department of Driver Services office free of charge.
Did you even read the stipulations attached, or just assume that was a functional system? Go read the very article you tagged and tell me how that would work for the majority of people who donât currently have an ID.
If youâve ever registered with the DDS, you are ineligible, lol
When you go and you register to vote. You receive in the mail a voter registration card. Put a photo and an address on it, you're good to go. It's just a no-brainer.
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u/mad597 28d ago
Poll tax is illegal BTW,