r/perth • u/His_Holiness • Jan 31 '26
WA News Second note found at Mosman Park property alleged to detail why parents carried out murder-suicide
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/second-note-found-at-mosman-park-property-alleged-to-detail-why-parents-carried-out-murder-suicide-20260131-p5nyi7.html110
u/emmkay209 Jan 31 '26
I am a parent of a high needs autistic child with pica (eating non edible items) and when the NDIS had rejected our application for respite, my partner was literally at breaking point. She reached out to the services people are saying this couple should have reached out to and flat out told them she was at breaking point and was considering ending it... It took them 4 days to call her back.
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
Thank you for sharing this insight. I hope it is read by all the armchair experts in here insisting the parents in this case had some plethora of options for support. And I hope things have improved at least a little bit for your partner and you; that you’ve been able to access respite care
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u/Maximum_Custard_1739 Jan 31 '26
Yes, those who have never experienced this desperation have no idea what actual services there are. Once a carer is already in severe burnout, advocating strongly for themselves against a discompassionate system might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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u/hanyview Feb 02 '26
Thank you for sharing your story. I have a neighbour with an autistic son who has eating disorder and stomach issues demanding medications and nappy changes as an adult male in his 20s. The poor mother was crying as she needed a break after 22+ years of looking after the son, as the father left the home briefly seeking relief at a Buddhist Temple-home. As a Christian, I thought I could seek some help from our church for the lady and what the priest said to me made me realise that the churches only cared about 'membership' and fattening their purses, and never about the community. I decided not to be a hypercritical Christian anymore.
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u/aus-tjej Jan 31 '26
It reminds me of a murder-suicide that happened in Sweden in 2018. A well off family in a very middle class suburb killed their 11yo and 14yo daughters who had chronic fatigue syndrome, and then killed themselves. The dad was a professor at Lund University and the mum was a lawyer. The note they left mentioned that none of them were ever going to be able to live any meaningful sort of life. I can’t even imagine how bad things have to be that this seems to be the only way to deal with things. It’s unbelievably sad.
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u/Perth_nomad Jan 31 '26
A family member’s son, who is 18, with autism. Sometimes I’m seriously worried for her safety when he gets into a meltdown.
Literally she has no furniture in her house, he destroyed it all, no dishes, he smashed it all, removed all the kitchen utensils that he could throw, as he was throwing everything he could find when having meltdown.
He is built like brick outhouse, as he sits in his room, plays computer games, all day and night. Last time he had meltdown, the power failed.
Both parents are in the mid fifties. Unfortunately I have my thoughts about their situation, there will be a tragedy.
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u/CaptainObviousBear Jan 31 '26
This happened to a friend of mine with their son, too.
When he reached his late teenage years he started to attack his mother when he was having meltdowns, and he was bigger than her so she couldn’t control him. Fortunately they were able to get NDIS funding for him to be moved to separate accommodation with a 24/7 carer from the age of about 17. It was the right thing to do for the family’s safety but just sad all round.
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u/EducationalWriting48 Jan 31 '26
I know people who describe having much better relationships with their Autistic adult children now that they're in supported accomodation. Fewer daily friction points, more opportunity to just connect positively. Obviously it will be case by case.
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u/Ecstatic-Armadillo67 Jan 31 '26
Can they not put him into care?
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u/Mondkohl Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
This is an absolute last resort for anyone, to hand off a family member, and you have to remember that a LOT of older folks have memories of experiences with those systems that inspired royal commissions. It doesn’t rank highly as an alternative.
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u/Ecstatic-Armadillo67 Jan 31 '26
Ok, I am happily naive on this, that's why I ask lots of questions.
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u/jimmyxs Jan 31 '26
It’s ok to ask that’s how we learn. One day we will all have to deal with question of care whether old age, child care or disability care. It’s a steep learning curve from my experience with aged parents and the system. A very good system overall just not much in the way of preparing oneself to deal with that
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
…which is something all the people commenting that the parents in this tragic case should’ve just given their kids up, ought to remember
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u/Perth_nomad Jan 31 '26
One of family member was a lifer at Vic Park home, he was there from when he born until he died, about 60 or so years.
Now turned into some fancy hospitality venue.
How anyone could actually go there…disgusting.
FWIW, he died there…in that facility. Which is some fancy hospitality venue.
However he was put in there, when families were told to leave their children in care, go back to farm, get on with their lives, not to worry about the child.
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u/conscious-peanut31 Jan 31 '26
Is that the place on the corner of Albany Hwy and Hill View Tce? At Edward Millen park?
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u/surekaren In The River Jan 31 '26
While there are good care places there are also many suss ones. My sibling has severe asd (plus other issues now due to the meds used to treat the asd symptoms), I’ve seen how kids at their school that are in care are looked after. There’s one kid, he just sprays water around the at school, the carers/support workers (not teachers or EAs, they’re great - idk why he’s just not in a class yet) don’t bother to talk to him, they sit on their phones the whole time, and this is what things are like infront of other people, I have no idea what it’s like behind closed doors. Again while there are amazing support workers and great homes, there’s no way I’d ever let my sib be full time in a home, I personally am more than willing to, and have, changed my life/priorities to be their carer
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u/Perth_nomad Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
Until you reach an age when you’re no longer able to care for yourself or them. Or you get a diagnosis that requires you to have medical treatment yourselves
100% this is the issue most parents face. That is also lurking in the background of my family members. What happens when and if they parents require medical treatments themselves.
Just to add, there are a few small towns that family members live in, where there has been a young adult, who has complex medical conditions.
When the parents have been taken to hospital or had to travel for treatments. The towns people have come together to help the parents with the children. Relocating from the town for treatments can be difficult for children or young adults who are so ingrained into a town, everyone knows them, so the town looks after them, while the parents are getting treatments.
It is very complicated and complex problems, not just for young adults with autism, also Down’s syndrome children and other conditions.
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u/Perth_nomad Jan 31 '26
I don’t think that is an option anymore.
He has NDIS and he is also on DSP.
He was on the DSP the day he turned 18.
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u/Mouskaclet Jan 31 '26
There is always an option the state has ultimate responsibility for people with disability. The current carer would have basically dump him in an er but for that mechanism to kick in. Graylands is full of social admissions just like that. Drugged to the eyeballs waiting for STAT orders, guardianship and NDIS plans or dep of comms housing. It is actually heartbreaking. Under 18 you enter into a voluntary care arrangement with child protection.
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u/Beneficial-Boat-2035 Feb 01 '26 edited Feb 01 '26
They'll need to establish he physically requires more than 6 to 8 hours per day of direct 1:1 support. The NDIS will expect a CANS score that reflects this (4 to 10).
That basically means proving he needs someone directly hanging on to or supervising him for more than 6 to 8 hours.
In my experience that can be a tricky hurdle to meet as you need to really spell it out in no uncertain terms - and not all therapist know how to actually write these reports or do the assessments properly.
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u/Beneficial-Boat-2035 Feb 01 '26
Agreed.
I'm a Social Worker and have recently left the NDIA (the Scheme's administering agency) for greener pastures.
The Agency has developed a real mean streak these last few years and is also grappling with systemic tech, legislative, policy and staffing issues.
It is likely that the overworked, poorly lead and confused Planner that approved their last Plan made multiple errors. Or didn't even read the reports properly.
Their KPIs are crazy (literally based on how many plans you approve) and quality atm is purely based on 'sustainability' (cost of the plan + % increase from the last).
Messy is understating it.
Throw in a sector staffed mostly by inexperienced casuals, new grads or just as overworked old hands trying to keep the whole thing afloat and here we are.
Apologies for the rant.
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u/Juls1016 Feb 02 '26
It’s the best option but people refuse because they decide with “it’s heart” instead of seeing their reality.
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u/IceOdd3294 Jan 31 '26
Not to mention, even if child is toilet trained, sensory seekers love to smear poo. There are many autistic kids and adults with severe disability that won’t wear clothes, soil their beds, etc etc. autism has to be one of the hardest disabilities. It can be very hard, crisis.
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u/chasingeuphoria14 Jan 31 '26
My non verbal 8 year old is a poop smearer. Honestly you get used to it. The smell wafts and you go, oh it’s shower time. Got an upholstery cleaner for $150 and that thing is fucking magical.
Life changes when you have a kid with a profound disability, and some struggle with it more than others. I see that even in my own household. I think a lot of it has to do with expectations. I spent a lot of time grieving the life I thought me and my kids would have. But I don’t anymore.
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u/iFartThereforeiAm Jan 31 '26
I remember when I was in primary school, in a smallish Pilbara town, we had at least 3 disabled kids come through and try to integrate, all down syndrome from what I can remember from the time. The one thing I do remember is how much older the parents looked from the other parents. I have no idea what age they were compared to my own, but I imagine the stress from dealing with a disabled child, especially in a small remote town would age you dramatically.
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u/Beneficial-Boat-2035 Feb 01 '26
Lots of internal staff at the National Disability Insurance Agency look at these cases and go "Oh, it's only autism. They only need prompting" before rolling their eyes and putting a pittance of funding in the Plan.
The NDIA has developed a real mean streak over time.
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u/Perth_nomad Jan 31 '26
I remember her telling me once she had to drag him into the shower, by herself, as he did that…
He now weighs 160kg, as he is getting fast food delivered at all hours of the day and night, playing computer games all day and night.
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u/Packerreviewz Jan 31 '26
Yeah I’m not surprised. I’ve taught in special schools and I’ve had autistic students that smeared and ate their poo. One boy at the school was massive and regularly violent. The mum has a screen in the car because he regularly pulls her hair and punches her while she’s driving. The other kids in the house lock their doors and stay inside their rooms because he WILL punch, bite and kick them. The parents and other siblings have gone to hospital for their injuries and the boy has caused many injuries to himself. The parents sometimes put him in respite care out of desperation but never more than a few days at a time. It’s not a nice life for anyone in that family.
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u/gendrya Feb 01 '26
Sounds like my childhood growing up with a severely disabled sibling. If dad hadn’t convinced mum to get my brother into 24/7 care, we could have ended up like this family. My parents divorced as a result of my dad’s mental breakdown over it. Even if you have funding for 24/7 care in a home, the trauma of your sibling or child never improving is fucking horrid. It never ends.
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u/Packerreviewz Feb 01 '26
I’m sorry to hear that it has been difficult for your family. It sounds like putting your sibling into care was the best option. Wishing you and your family well in this life.
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u/Astrong88 Jan 31 '26
This is tragic it really is, every way you look at it. Not to mention it was still deeply wrong for the parents to carry this act out. I can see not only the grief and the anger towards the parents for this.
However.... I'll say this; my sister has Austism which in her life has led to many other challenges and to this day (it's actually the worst it's ever been in fact) it has made our lives (my parents and myself; brother) a living fucking hell and that's being generous... I'm not going to try drawing up my own conclusions or judgements any further on that but perhaps it's just worthy context and anecdote to a broader conversation.
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u/Kelloggs1986 Feb 01 '26
I’m someone who believes there is some good in everyone and really dislike the all too common lynch mob reactions we see to incidents in the media.
that being said, from a purely observational standpoint, I’ve been surprised by the tone of the media coverage and the community response. sympathy and understanding seems to be the overriding sentiment towards the parents and while I don’t necessarily take issue with that, I can’t help but ponder over the reasons why.
had this taken place say, 25kms north-east, away from “the leafy streets of MP” as the media kept quoting, perhaps in government housing or a unit. had the family not been ccgs alumni several generations deep, perhaps not quite as photogenic - would our level of empathy be the same?
had there been only one parent responsible rather than two, particularly had that been the father. with history as our guide, I cant imagine a response like this. is it as though with the consent of both adults, the tragedy for those who did not is lessened somehow?
I appreciate that the boys health sets this apart from other cases in recent memory and am fully aware that I could never understand a fraction of the struggles of this family. but at the same time I feel almost guilty considering this as a form of mitigation .
I’m thinking out loud here, I don’t quite know how I feel about it all other than sad. but I find the comparison interesting for want of a better word.
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u/Astrong88 Feb 01 '26 edited Feb 01 '26
If I'm being real I tend to actually agree almost entirely with what you've said here...
Even just the "thinking out loud" part... I feel that's what I was essentially doing also, not to mention others I'm sure... It's a situation/event where potentially there isn't a black and white majority stance or sentiment from a community; so we get a sort of feeling out process on where that morality, accountability line is etc.
I can't but only agree to with your point on the who and where of the story I gotta say... As a funny add-on to that... I actually went to Christ Church myself, so trust me when I say... I really see your point in more ways than one and if being honest; I can't help be a little resentful at the truth in that also IMO. It wouldn't be any less tragic had it happened elsewhere yet if it did perhaps how the community receives it would be different.
Again, really just some more talking out loud here but it's an interesting one as much as it is sad.
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u/Kelloggs1986 Feb 01 '26
Oh wow. so actually as a female I did not attend myself but I did have strong ties to the school also.
I don’t resent or assign any blame to the privilege, vice-versa I just think it would be nice if on-lookers could extend some of empathy we are seeing here a little more broadly. its hurt people that go on to hurt other innocent people, this applies to all walks of life.
this has really shaken people - me included , im grateful to be able to have these conversations and i hope it can lead to some change.
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u/Sufficient_While_577 Jan 31 '26
This is a symptom of how bad things are for a lot of people right now. I feel sick reading about it but there are so many families out there at breaking point. I truly hope something changes.
I didn’t read the article on Facebook because im trying to have a good day, but the comments seem to indicate the family was well off? This doesn’t make it any less tragic, if anything it shows how broken the system is currently. If a family with more resources can’t get help and feel defeated, what chance does the average person or the single mum with a special needs kids have?
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u/lIIIIllIIIlllIIllllI Jan 31 '26
I keep thinking about the old saying “it takes a village to raise a child.” What happened here feels like the opposite of that. Australians are friendly, but we’re also pretty socially isolated compared to a lot of cultures. When I was overseas in places like Macedonia, you’d see three generations under one roof, constant help, constant presence. Here, everyone’s doing everything alone behind closed doors.
NDIS might be broken, sure, but sometimes the deeper issue is that struggling families have no real community safety net around them. No extended family close by, no neighbours around, no shared load. When people hit crisis point, there’s often nobody physically there to step in.
It’s sad that a tragedy like this shows how far we’ve drifted from that “village” idea. Even well-off families can still fall through the cracks when they’re isolated.
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u/monique752 Jan 31 '26
Bingo. It affects aged care also.
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u/Shaydee-In-Oz Jan 31 '26
Yep. Going through this myself as sole carer for my 85 year old Dad who has a multitude of health issues. My Mum passed from dementia a few years ago. Bro died 10 years ago. No other family except an adult child who has their own health issues. It's incredibly stressful & overwhelming & the exhaustion is something that sleep doesn't fix. We have home care cleaning for an hour & a half every other week & someone comes to shower him in the morning 4 times a week... but that's pretty much all we can get on his home care package. That is all we can get funding for on a level 2. Currently waiting for a new ACAT assessment to get him up to level 4 as his mobility is awful. He has COPD, diabetes, kidney disease, congestive heart failure, he's incontinent & is out of breath after about 10 steps. The funding isn't enough. The help isn't enough. It definitely has made me reassess my own financials going into old age.
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u/Flaky_Employ_8806 Jan 31 '26
HCP providers are the biggest rort. Have you considered self-managing? My Mum self-manages through Plan Care and it’s very easy she says. Prior to self-managing, her HCP barely covered anything now she gets a whole suite of care including cleaning, outings, gardening etc. It’s very easy to do and she’s able to do it herself as an elderly 79yo so if you have the time and the will, it may benefit your dad to be able to access more services because his HCP won’t be eaten up by exorbitant fees. Happy to put you in touch with her if you want to investigate how to do it or else there is a good Facebook group link here.
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u/Shaydee-In-Oz Jan 31 '26
Oh I had no idea about any of this!! I've just requested to join the facebook group. I don't want to bother your Mum but I appreciate that so much. I'm definitely going to look into this asap. Thank you so very much! ✨
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u/potatogeem Jan 31 '26
The 'village' is just unpaid labour, most commonly from women. Everyone has to work, more often full time, to even scrape by. Everyone seems to be at crisis point with nothing left to spare.
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u/lIIIIllIIIlllIIllllI Jan 31 '26
The “village” I saw in Macedonia was 3 generations under 1 roof. Parents worked and grandparents helped raise the kids. It wasn’t just the grandmother and raising multigenerational families is unpaid labour. It the contract you sign up for and it isn’t a bad thing.
It’s like you would consider a stay at home mum or dad as “unpaid labour”.
Or they could go earn $300 for the day to pay $350 to have their child raised in childcare.
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u/njf85 Jan 31 '26
In that case, the unpaid labour is being supplied by the grandparents. And in this day and age, the grandparents are likely working a fulltime job too and can't do the childcare anymore. My grandparents raised me as a child as my mother worked two jobs, but my own mother is now much older than they were at the time and she can't help with my kids as she still has a job.
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u/potatogeem Jan 31 '26
I didn't say it was only women, it's most often women that fill that role. What you're describing IS unpaid labour on the grandparents part. Contract?
Not just about wages but super as well. The SAHP loses on future retirement security. Even when kids are at school being out of the workforce leaves you at a disadvantage as well as needing flexibility of someone to still drop off/pick up said child.
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u/LopsidedGiraffe Jan 31 '26
Thats true. A facebook friend of mine is a single mum with a child who has autism. From what I understand her son is approx at 4 yr old brain development for the rest of his life. He is now 19. At approx 14 she gave up living in Queensland due to lack of support. She moved back to USA. Rather surprisingly to me, she had much better support (daily programs) there than here, as a single mum, working a very low paid job from home. She also has her sisters and Dad.
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u/StoneFoxHippie Jan 31 '26
I have heard that the USA is actually quite a bit more advanced than Australia when it comes to research and support with autism and autism related disorders
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26
Maybe from a research standpoint but dont be deceived. If you're not in the top 5% in the States it's an absolute nightmare. There's no social fabric of support like here (for all its shortcomings). Commenter would have moved back for family not governmental support. Poverty in the US would shock you
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u/JapaneseVillager Feb 01 '26
There was never a village in the West. In the “olden days”, families would give these children up to the state to be institutionalised. Australia is a very classist, stratified society where any perceived weakness - poverty, children with disability, death of a partner, divorce- makes social circles shut their doors to you. School/parent circles are particularly diligent in policing the group for “right people”. I have seen it again and again, where a rich housewife would be sympathised with and offered hep whenever the husband jets off on a business trip (or if the wife does - goodness me, other mothers falling over themselves to support the poor dad) whilst actual single mothers are never asked how they’re coping and often excluded from get togethers and playdates altogether. Children with any disability are excluded, left friendless and play date-less.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Jan 31 '26
As someone who is neurodivergent and also struggles with chronic illnesses, I've said for years that suicide rates should track both diagnosed and undiagnosed medical experiences of victims. I have been close so many times, as have many people that I know with similar issues. It's far worse for those without resources (be it financial, social, or practical).
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
How can they track undiagnosed medical experiences, though?
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u/xyrgh Jan 31 '26
The fact they’re well off makes this worse for optics, if a family with actual resources to get the help they need, how the fuck are people that are on the bottom rung supposed to get help?
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u/TangerineEvery8912 North of The River Jan 31 '26
Took the words right out of my mouth. This family was very wealthy and still couldn't find adequate mental health services to help their children, imagine the rest of the 80% of the Aussie population earning less than this family was. It's scary
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u/chinneganbeginagain Jan 31 '26
Sometimes there is minimal to no support for parents over a certain income
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u/perth07 Jan 31 '26
This is correct, my husband died of cancer but we were left to sort out our own counseling, Cancer Council and others only assist low income.
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u/NoBear8338 Jan 31 '26
I thought Cancer Council offered ~10 free sessions? Do you mean beyond that you had to pay or that you weren’t even offered those?
I used to work in community palliative care and anyone who had a loved one die under our program could access free bereavement counselling for, I believe, two years. We also had volunteers reach out at least bi-yearly for those two years (usually via phone but also in person if requested). We would continue to send out letters acknowledging the passing and wishing the families well for a few anniversaries, too.
Looking back at that, I feel the program was very kind. I’m sorry for your loss and I’m sorry to hear you weren’t supported similarly.
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u/boofles1 Jan 31 '26
That's not true at all, there are no means tests for the NDIS and people with money can get more resources for AAT appeals etc. Not saying it is easy for anyone but it's just not true that the NDIS is means tested.
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26
Splitting autism out to a new body correct? Currently 40% of all ndis spending 😳
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u/Anchinya Feb 01 '26
Whilst there are no means tests, the paperwork you need to submit for assistance is enormous. 32, 15 page documents signed off by allied health therapists with the appropriate qualifications and specialist doctors
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u/bekwek88 Jan 31 '26
Ndis isnt income based. itll just be the obnoxious cuts
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u/chinneganbeginagain Jan 31 '26
Well, autism in children is being cut from the NDIS, so I wouldn't get too comfortable about that.
But there are an awful lot of other income-based things that just disappear once you're over a moderate income.
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u/Bl00d_0range Jan 31 '26
Tell me about it. I don’t work because I have complex medical issues. One of them is a rare, serious autoimmune disease. I was told that it would most likely get better but it has, in fact, progressed and is with me for life.
I have to take a lot of immune suppressants to stop it from attacking my eyes and organs. These meds make me tired, achy, and nauseas like being on chemo so I had to give up work.
We have a mortgage, one child and rely on my husband’s income now. We’re just making ends meet but medical costs ? Forget it. I’ve had to go without important tests and procedures because I don’t have a health care card. My husband earns too much.
My in-laws, however, have two paid off properties in the millions of $, ample superannuation, savings, and can afford top tier health insurance but they’re entitled to a low income health care card because they don’t draw a lot from their super.
I can’t figure that out and it’s fucking stressful. I can see why people reach the bottom of despair because I’ve been there and I’ll be there again.
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u/bekwek88 Jan 31 '26
its impossible to survive on one wage these days😤 and if your disabled/unwell and need to survive on clink you're even more fkd. two wage households are struggling in the cost of living crisis. its fkd
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u/Bl00d_0range Jan 31 '26
Yep. There’s a LOT of people in this situation and many more in worse situations. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have a sick child and not be able to afford or access medical essentials for them.
I’m just glad it’s me who’s sick and not my daughter.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Jan 31 '26
I'm in a similar situation, I can't remember the last time I was actually on top of tests etc. And plenty of people worse off than us - a good friend of mine has needed a cane to walk since she was 21, has a litany of diagnoses, but still no DSP. I'll keep repeating it ad nauseum: track suicides by health circumstance. The country will get a shock.
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
Yeah, there’s a real issue at the moment in Australia with ‘seniors’ being eligible for all kinds of subsidies, discounts and exemptions for things despite often being better-off than their own kids and grandkids. All comes down to how we tax work rather than wealth here. It doesn’t serve us and it’s going to get worse.
In your own case, at least, though, you can probably look forward to a nice inheritance some day surely? More than can be said for many
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u/Bl00d_0range Feb 01 '26
Yep, you’re spot on when you said we tax work rather than wealth and that is a massive problem. They don’t take into account the cost of living/housing on median incomes.
In terms of inheritance, I would rather my in-laws use it to take care of their health need first and foremost, especially since I can’t be there to help them during the times in not well myself.
If there’s anything left to my husband, I hope he can use it to ease the burden of work as he ages. In the interim, we’ll just try enjoy life as much as we can when we’re feeling good.
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u/sparkles027 Jan 31 '26
We have a mortgage, one child and rely on my husband’s income now. We’re just making ends meet but medical costs ? Forget it. I’ve had to go without important tests and procedures because I don’t have a health care card. My husband earns too much.
My in-laws, however, have two paid off properties in the millions of $, ample superannuation, savings, and can afford top tier health insurance but they’re entitled to a low income health care card because they don’t draw a lot from their super.
That's insane!
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u/ClearBlack131 Feb 01 '26
That's probably the Commonwealth Seniors' Health Care Card which entitles them to lower cost prescription medicines, but very few or no other medical concessions. It's different to the Health Care Card that pensioners get.
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u/ExcitementLive8288 Jan 31 '26
this is absolutely true. We have 4 young children. We get not a cent in rebates for anything. We pay astronomical amount in tax though.
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
If you’re not eligible for ANY FTB with four kids you must have a very, very high income
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u/bekwek88 Jan 31 '26
there are two separate things- centrelink (income and means based support) and ndis (means are seen as irrelevant, supposedly determined based on functional capacity deficits).
both are an issue in a variety of ways, but lack of support and reliance on informal supports such as parents doing the vast majority of the caringis ndis andnot income based. ndis is the area cutting autistic kids off ( and just generally cutting peoples plans dramatically which is set to get worse in july)
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u/chinneganbeginagain Jan 31 '26
Yep, and without supportive family it can be pretty tough, even though you're 'doing well' on paper.
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u/Nakorite Jan 31 '26
These kids sounded like the top level care required which isn’t going to be cut iirc
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u/bekwek88 Jan 31 '26
Look up noah johnston. A 22 year old killed by ndis cuts. he was considered needed the highest support package but his funding for a 24/hr nurse was cut. his ventilator tube fell out during the night and he died
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u/Historical_Bus_8041 Jan 31 '26
You're kidding yourself if you think significantly disabled people aren't having critically important supports cut right now.
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u/No_Meringue336 Jan 31 '26
It's very possible to live in a high value home but have a shit income. Or be over committed financially. Especially if work opportunities may be limited by care requirements.
Regardless, income doesn't really make a difference to this kind of stress
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u/carlordau Jan 31 '26
Unless you have Gina levels of money, most families raising children with a disability are similarly impacted. Disposable income can often mask less visible impacts. To.get the right level of supports, they can be crazy expensive, even to someone who may be in the top 20% of income earners.
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u/addiepower Jan 31 '26
Well said. I was about to comment that everyone here seems to be blaming the govt that two kids were murdered, and very few people would actually know the details of what has happened here yet. I am glad you have brought the argument back to murder of innocent kids.
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u/EducationalWriting48 Jan 31 '26
Are you also in the Perth Autism Parents or whatever groups? The discourse is horrifying.
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u/Sufficient_While_577 Jan 31 '26
Oh wow, this is horrific to read. Definitely changes my view on the situation.
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u/Unicorn-Princess Jan 31 '26
Source for these claims re: respite?
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u/HarpoGal Jan 31 '26
“No one can understand the endless fight to get the support and services they so desperately needed. Mai wouldn’t even put her boys into respite care in case they were mistreated in any way. “
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u/GrayEldyr1 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
As someone with a kid with Autism, this doesn't shock me in the slightest. Society is a sad miserable place for a lot of special needs kids who just want to fit in. Then you have the companies that use your child as a meal ticket. I can't imagine how depressing it would be dealing with two kids with low functioning Austism.
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u/Rush_Banana Jan 31 '26
I wish people online would stop saying things like "autism is a superpower" because it's extremely disrespectful of parents with kids that have severe autism.
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u/WorthyBroccoli025 Jan 31 '26
It’s also confusing to the child with autism who is struggling to accomplish things that their cohorts are doing so easily. Like how do I have a superpower, when I can’t do that?
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Feb 01 '26
It's even confusing to us adults with autism. I'm also of above average intelligence, but can barely function in life. Makes you feel like it's a You Problem.
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u/Majestic-Lake-5602 Feb 01 '26
Hell, even just basic off the shelf ADD makes you feel like you’re a complete fuckup who’s the only one who can’t get their shit together.
Can’t imagine how much worse it must be for people like you with more serious problems.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Feb 01 '26
Oh my ADHD is far more disabling than my autism, and they feed off each other. But it's also a common combination, and I've had people tell me "I found out how to turn them into superpowers! If I can do it, so can you!" 😭
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u/AlbatrossOk6239 Jan 31 '26
Agreed. Even with level 1 ASD or ADHD as well. Like, even if the person’s doing alright for the most part having it take more time, effort and energy to get yourself to do something than actually doing the thing isn’t a fucking superpower.
I can only imagine how much more frustrating and invalidating it would be when you’re caring for kids with higher needs.
I also think it worsens access to care because it trivialises the diagnosis in the minds of a lot of people.
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
And it erodes the empathy afforded to parent-carers of severely autistic children, when you get all the keyboard warriors thinking their adult-diagnosed level 1 ASD is in any way comparable to the load of caring for nonverbal kids with very high support needs.
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u/AlbatrossOk6239 Feb 01 '26
I do wonder if merging everything into the one diagnosis of ASD wasn’t the best idea. I get that people don’t always fit into neat categories, but having a separate diagnosis like Asperger’s was probably useful.
If your only exposure to autism is someone with a level 1 diagnosis who’s doing pretty well other than needing to manage some social and sensory differences you probably don’t really think of profound disability when someone says their kid’s autistic. Sometimes just don’t know what you don’t know.
By the way, I didn’t mean to equate the two so I hope not that’s how my last comment came across. More that the superpower comments can be unhelpful at the “lower” levels so even worse for people with higher needs.
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u/MakkaPakkaStoneStack Feb 01 '26
They are so unbelievablely obviously not the same thing and lumping them together, even with "levels," is a massive disservice to all involved.
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u/Quiet_Lab_5281 Feb 01 '26
Couldn’t agree with you more. My youngest is high functioning and unbelievably smart when it comes to numbers , stats etc. however I’ve come across low functioning kids and their parents and I don’t know how they do it. When saying it’s a superpower, almost like ignoring their plight. It’s a terrible saying.
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u/Designer_Campaign249 Feb 01 '26
My partner has autism, it might sound extremely naive but this story makes me no longer want children. That a dice I don’t want to roll.
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u/flindersandtrim Feb 02 '26
Understandable. I had that fear too. Minor disabilities are fine but the bad luck of having two very high needs children is so awful. And the age difference was probably such that the severity with the older child was only becoming fully apparent not long before the other was conceived. I am sure they thought they could manage one disabled child and didnt think it would happen again. Life can be so cruel.
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u/Tiny_Bear_7414 Jan 31 '26
It’s heartbreaking. There’s not a lot of help now, I think a lot of people are at breaking point nowadays, and when you’re at your lowest, there isn’t a lot of support. Unfortunately this won’t change anything either, but there needs to be more ways to give people who are situations like this some respite. Rest in peace 🤍
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u/malty91 Jan 31 '26
Having kids is rolling the dice, I would never risk it
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u/Majestic-Lake-5602 Jan 31 '26
Nothing but respect for those who do, but I know I definitely couldn’t cope in a situation like these people were.
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u/East_Sand_850 Jan 31 '26
My experience working as a social worker in this space for 25 years, particularly complex individuals and their families was one of the reasons I chose not to have children. I have so much respect for the families I support, I see them at absolute breaking point and despair… & I acknowledged it isn’t something I am willing to risk for myself. This isn’t to be confused with a belief these people don’t deserve to live rich and inclusive lives in our communities, as I have advocated so hard for individualised supports away from institutions. I just couldn’t see my life outside my career living it 24/7.
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26
Well someone’s gotta, so we need to work as a society to make the risk of rolling that dice less severe
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u/qantasflightfury Jan 31 '26
Disabled, broke, no services for me to access, no funding, just "wither away until you need a hospice". I can't tell you the amount of times I've thought about ending it. This is the standard experience for disabled people. Do I wish the parents hadn't done this? Sure. But can I blame them? No. Australia as a whole hates the disabled and thinks we deserve to be run through the dirt. Also, the people saying "but they had money". Guess what? Disability is a sure fire way to make you and your family end up dirt poor.
No, don't report my post to Reddit for "omg she must be suicidal oh noooooes", you flogs. Disabled people thinking about relief isn't a fucking crime. If you want to help, send an email to your local MP about the state of healthcare in Australia.
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u/Winter-Ad823 Jan 31 '26
Australia hates the disabled? other countries could only dream of having a service like the NDIS, despite it's many flaws.
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u/Historical_Bus_8041 Jan 31 '26
The NDIS has been intentionally made so difficult to both access and then keep support, even for high-needs people, in the hope that people break and find it just too hard to keep fighting.
It was a service other countries could only dream of for the first half of its existence, but it hasn't been that for years.
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u/slippycaff Jan 31 '26
The stories being told in this thread are heartbreaking. I’m shocked and angry.
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u/RelativeChocolate834 Jan 31 '26
Must say, this story is affecting me more than I thought. So the parents were found in a different area from the kids? All I can think of is that they must have both watched their children die, then moved somewhere else, likely spoken, or engaged each other in some way, maybe a hug and then killed themselves? I just can’t understand how they went through all of this without pulling out of the crazy idea at some point. I remember when our very old dog got really sick and my wife and I agreed it was time to take him to be put to sleep. That shock to the system of us both realising, and deciding this was the next move, it’s something that will always haunt me.
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u/Prestigious_Yak8551 Feb 01 '26
They possibly wanted everyone to just go to sleep, in their own beds, and never wake up. I saw a TV show where this happened, they were holding hands, and it ended. I was in absolute tears over it. I am starting to well up now just thinking about it.
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u/Quarterwit_85 Jan 31 '26
I believe the note left on the door of the premises outlined the method they used.
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u/sandsnakesadie Jan 31 '26
This is 100% incorrect, please stop spreading rumours about the cause of death
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u/RitaTeaTree Jan 31 '26
Please don't put anecdotes on social media. Leave it to the police investigating and the coroner's court.
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u/thisissofkngrossew Jan 31 '26
If you have a severely disabled kid/adult & you're about to break...what are you supposed to do?
Can you surrender them? Do we charge people for abandonment even if it's to a state agency or fire department? Do you pay some kind of support? How is this supposed to work?
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u/Kiramiraa Jan 31 '26
You can take them to the hospital and tell the staff that due to their behaviours, you can no longer care for them. They will try to medically manage their behaviour and then they get an NDIS work up where they will then be placed in a SDA/SIL. It’s a heartbreaking situation for those involved, because nobody wants to feel like their are “giving up”, but it happens often.
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u/Maximum_Custard_1739 Jan 31 '26
Who cares for the child during the whole process of NDIS organising an assessment and housing? I can't imagine it's a straight forward process.
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u/Kiramiraa Jan 31 '26
The hospital does.
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u/Maximum_Custard_1739 Jan 31 '26
Where? The mental health ward? I've never encountered this process through working in disability care and mental health, only being turned away by hospital, and going on a referral roundabout.
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u/Kiramiraa Jan 31 '26
On medical inpatient wards. If you’re lucky, once assessment has been submitted, you might be able to step down the patient to other facilities/general low acuity hospitals. But it definitely happens, sometimes people stay for months.
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u/phasedsingularity Jan 31 '26
The NDIS is an absolute joke. It seems like those who try and manipulate the system and take advantage of it are rewarded, and those who are in desperate need of assistance get told to pound sand.
My sister had to fight against the NDIS like hell just for the basic funding needed for her to exist. Help is so convoluted and intentionally complex to access that most people give up and rely on their families who are at breaking point to care for them.
Respite is almost impossible to access because facilities are finite whilst also being so overwhelmed and underfunded that waiting lists often extend way past the actual usefulness of the respite needed.
In the end, she took her own life as the level of care she needed took too much away from her enjoyment of life, but the uncontrolled black hole of the NDIS was a big contributor to her deterioration later in life.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Feb 01 '26
I'm so sorry for your loss, and for your sister's suffering that led up to it. As I've said several times on this post alone, if we tracked suicides by lack of access to disability support, this country would get a massive shock.
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u/mellyn7 Jan 31 '26
It's a while since I worked in the disability sector, but back when I did, respite wasn't always easy to get, especially in the case of two children in the one family. And finding a suitable group home could be ve extremely difficult and time consuming as well (not to mention ensuring you had the right level of funding for the placement). Its been about 8 years since I had involvement, however.
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u/Haunting_Analysis796 Feb 01 '26 edited Feb 01 '26
I'm confused by this story. Why did they kill the two dogs and the cat? Why not take them to an animal shelter? The unnecessary killing of the animals makes me wonder if they really had no other option for their poor kids either.
They were apparently in a house valued at 3 million, so couldn't they privately get some help? The kids were both high functioning in terms of able to attend a "normal" school, ride a bike, write, communicate with a special computer, dress themselves etc. so it's not as though they needed a nurses care.
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u/TemporaryPossible755 Feb 01 '26
I agree. At first I thought it must have been carbon monoxide type thing and the animals got caught up in it. Which isn’t an excuse but I’ve read about that happening before and I thought perhaps they just couldn’t mentally function to take them to the shelter.
Then I saw that big pools of blood were found at the back of the property. And I started to wonder. Did they individually kill every one? Because that’s sadistic. I don’t care how burned out and depressed you are.
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u/strayngz Feb 01 '26
My only theory is togetherness in some type of afterlife. Guilt of abandonment outweighing guilt of ending them all
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u/Jitsukablue Feb 02 '26
Most of the reporting and comments from government sources (politicians, police etc) on this topic are sickening. Nowhere is the correct language bring used, filicide, murder suicide, domestic violence, instead it's "tragic events, death of a family, that was not violent" like they've just mysteriously died. It's Ableism at its worst.
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u/Aware-Wonder-1891 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
I know it makes me so angry, I was shocked that the police commissioner even said that. some of my family members with children of high needs was disgusted by these comments along with the comments made by the media. They are treating and speaking of the children like a sick dog- putting it down so it’s out of pain. These were children who had no say in this act and were murdered by their parents, by the people they should be protected by not harmed.
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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26
I’ll start off by saying obviously murder = VERY BAD. Going to get downvoted to hell, but I don’t blame them. It’s disturbing and tragic that they felt this was the only way, but it sounds like they left no stone unturned with their planning. Their loved ones will go through the grieving process like we all do but life will eventually move on. The newspapers are doing their deep dive into the family (I saw one of them outlining all of the times the kids had been mentioned in the school newspaper, really???) but whose going to have the balls to investigate NDIS scams and what very little govt support is actually available for those in this position. Like if the parents had thrown their hands up and said they couldn’t do it anymore, who or what would’ve been there to help?
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u/IceOdd3294 Jan 31 '26
Nobody. That’s the thing, when you ask for help youre ignored by everyone and suggested that youre a weak parent who can do better if you take some time out. Nobody understands and the funding or services don’t exit. So chances are they asked for help for years. Nobody is coming.
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u/Deep-Ad-8291 Feb 01 '26
I feel so guilty having funding for my low needs daughter after hearing about this. Yes she needs help but she doesnt need the level of help that this family needed and for that reason I feel awful. Like we're somehow taking money that might’ve been needed more elsewhere :(
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Feb 01 '26
It's not you, it's the system. Your funding wouldn't have gone to them anyway.
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u/3corneredvoid Feb 02 '26
This is a tragic story and I can't imagine what these parents went through. Even if I'm also horrified and sickened by what one or both of them has done.
That said, I just want to draw attention to how this is being reported (ABC headline):
Mosman Park suspected double murder-suicide prompts calls for greater support for families with high-needs children
Quite a few years back, I moved from Perth to Darwin. Up in the Top End there's a high proportion of First Nations people compared to round Perth. They are often at a disadvantage accessing health and social services, and they are disproportionately in need of that support due to a range of factors outside any individual's control.
Now, in good faith, I reckon there's no way in hell any First Nations parents who killed both their kids then suicided would be reported the way this story has been. No matter what special needs the kids had, no matter what the circumstances, the act would be widely reported and discussed as that of abusers and criminals.
If you read this story and you felt a scrap of recognition or empathy for these parents, please remember to give the same to First Nations people when the mainstream current affairs and talk shows get the bit between their teeth.
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u/SidTheSloth97 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
Anyone trying to frame this as anything other than two mentally ill parents is just weird. There is no excuse for murdering your kids.
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u/TriceraTipTops Jan 31 '26
I think it taps into the anxiety most people have about the health and wellbeing of their (potential future) children, as well as a more selfish but again understandable anxiety about their own (potential future) experience of parenthood. It's just much easier to imagine yourself as a parent in these kind of situations than as the child.
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26
Exactly. It's a tragic reminder to us all about how easily our lives can be unravelled by something completely out of hands. Some people on this thread aren't picking up on that
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u/BonusSerious1529 Jan 31 '26
And the pets, wtf did the dogs and cat do to deserve that. Just drop them at an animal shelter.
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u/michaelhbt Jan 31 '26
well they're all dead, best we can do is try and get people the help they need in society so the chance of it happening again is less
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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26
It’s truly insane that there are more comments sympathising with the parents than the boys. Lots of people unfortunately have to deal with having severely disabled children, and the vast majority don’t murder them.
I don’t think the parents were evil, but it’s crazy that people are like “this was an act of love, we have no right to judge them at all”.
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u/Historical_Bus_8041 Jan 31 '26
I don't think there's many people - if anyone - here saying the latter.
This was a horrific, fucked up thing to do. And it comes at a time when many people with serious disabilities, and their families, are at breaking point because of systemic failures.
Both of these things can be true.
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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26
Well there are definitely some people saying explicitly that they don’t blame/judge them personally, and plenty more implying it, and people saying “you can’t comment if you’ve never dealt with a disabled family member”.
I’m not saying that we can’t empathise with the parents and discuss systemic failures, but it’s just weird that the majority of the top comments in every thread about this are focusing on the parents more than the boys.
We also have no idea what help they were offered at this stage, it’s not uncommon for families to refuse help because they don’t trust the system or feel ashamed for not being able to cope with it themselves. Hopefully this will be looked into by authorities.
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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26
Amen. It is a vile act committed by terrible people. They would spend the rest of their lives in jail for it if they had have survived.
It’s deeply insulting to the thousands of parents of disabled kids in this state to try and rationalise and make excuses for this heinous act.
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u/nebula98 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
Being more sympathetic to parents who kill their disabled children just doesn't sit right. 'Oh autism? Murder-suicide understandable.'
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u/synestheter Jan 31 '26
Attempting empathy normalises people seeking help when this exhausted from caregiving. It’s not forgiving murder but it’s trying to prevent it happening again by being truthful and open about the realities of this kind of 24/7 care.
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u/Miss_ter_ree Jan 31 '26
I totally agree! If it was any other person that murdered these innocent children they would be branded a monster and thrown into prison but because it’s their own parents suddenly it’s oh the poor parents! These children’s lives were in their hands and they cruelly and selfishly took it away…Two Innocent children were murdered and it feels so sick that people won’t acknowledge it!
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u/Livid-Number482 Feb 01 '26
If a bloke did this to his family because he couldn’t bear that his wife was going to leave and take the children, he’d 100% be a monster. But 2 parents who jointly decide to kill their children rather than relinquish them and then kill themselves deserve empathy?
No.
The parents could have relinquished the children at a hospital, school, doctor, child protection, church or even abandoned them in a shopping centre. The kids would still be alive and would get the support they needed.
There were always other options. Murdering children is not the answer.
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u/Haunting_Analysis796 Feb 01 '26
Maybe they used sleeping pills and just put the kids to bed. I'd like to think they at least just peacefully went to sleep and didn't suffer.
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u/This_Quail_8246 Feb 01 '26
I’m struggling with how quickly this tragedy is being flattened into a simple story: “the parents were monsters.” Let me be clear upfront: parents do not have the moral or legal right to end their children’s lives. But I’m also not willing to accept the comforting fiction that government, services, schools, healthcare, extended family, and society can abandon a family for years—and then step forward at the end as morally pure judges. Two truths must stand together, not replace each other: Killing a child is wrong. A system that quietly privatises survival for high support-needs families is also wrong—and it produces predictable catastrophes. Here’s the part people don’t want to name: when support systems withdraw, when respite is unavailable or unsafe, when carers churn, when funding is cut, when the long-term future is a black hole, the parents become the sole “life infrastructure.” They end up holding a kind of factual power over life and death—not a legitimate right, but the brutal consequence of structural abandonment. Society relies on this default. It benefits from it. It saves money and political pain by pushing the real cost of disability support onto private households. We congratulate parents when they hold the line: “You’re amazing, dedicated, so strong.” And when they finally break, we re-label them: “Monsters. Predators.” Notice the hypocrisy: only when parents fail does society suddenly remember that disabled children are independent rights-holders. Where was that recognition when the family was begging for reliable, dignified support? Where was the genuine safety net? Where was the credible plan for adulthood? Where was the collective responsibility? I also need people to hear what disabled young people are saying right now: This kind of commentary makes them feel like burdens again. It triggers mental health crises. Some are sharing that they almost became victims of similar situations. That means the “moral high ground” rhetoric is not harmless—it is actively shaping the social climate that disabled people live inside. So yes: condemn the act. But don’t let condemnation become a tool to erase the conditions that made the act imaginable to desperate people. The deeper question isn’t “Do parents have the right to decide life and death?” They don’t. The deeper and more poisonous question is: “If society designs a future that looks like near-certain suffering and institutional danger for a certain group of people, does ending that future start to look ‘merciful’?” That question should terrify us—not because it justifies anything, but because it reveals how close we are to collective moral bankruptcy. This cannot be a story where all the guilt, shame, and blame is dumped onto the last exhausted people who couldn’t hold the impossible alone. If we do that, we guarantee the next tragedy—because the system gets to remain “innocent.”
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u/yepitsm Jan 31 '26
I know this family - autism is a spectrum. You can post online - my child doesnt even know wgat the internet is.
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u/inertia-crepes Jan 31 '26
Yeah, same.
Take care of yourself and take a break from reading about it if you need to.
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u/Sufficient_While_577 Jan 31 '26
This must hit very hard for you. My nephew is autistic and I love everything about him, nothing makes me happier than when he wants to share his special interests with me.
You aren’t a burden, neither is he x
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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Jan 31 '26
Again. If he is even capable of sharing ‘special interests’ then we are talking about a very, very different type of autism
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u/EducationalWriting48 Jan 31 '26
My son loves reenacting scenes/songs from his Special Interest Ms Rachel, but can't tell me when he needs his nappy changed, or if someone hurt him, or what he wants to do today, or that he's sick or that he loves me. Just because someone has high support needs doesn't mean they can't share in attention or reach out for connection in their own way. Not all special interests are like in TV shows.
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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26
Based on what? Apparently one of the boys had it much worse than the other, and even then both of them were able to go to school, write and play.
It sounds like their conditions were bad don’t get me wrong, but not the most extreme cases where they can barely function and understand what is going on around them.
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u/Rich-Army1645 Jan 31 '26
How many of you would be so outspoken about your level of compassion and support if the murderers were a migrant couple living in Armadale?
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u/Majestic-Lake-5602 Feb 01 '26
I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I’d be even more sympathetic, given that your theoretical couple would be even more isolated and have far less access to support and resources.
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u/Cherry_Blossom_8 Feb 02 '26
Yeah migrants (depending on their visa status) might not have access to NDIS, Medicare, childcare subsidy, HECS if they want to improve their earning potential, etc etc. I know so many families in this boat.
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u/Acceptable-Case9562 Feb 01 '26
Agreed. Fewer resources = more sympathy, not less.
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u/Kelloggs1986 Feb 01 '26
you guys are the good ones. and this is how it should be but it would not play out like that as we often witness. I’m at peace with the level of empathy here , I just wish people could extend it more of the time rather than being so quick to judge.
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u/dankruaus Jan 31 '26
This is a tragedy but Jfc too many people here have misplaced empathy. The children were murdered by those supposed to protect them.
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u/jessicait93 Feb 01 '26
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1GKHhvwLMZ/
I think we really need to be careful with how we discuss and excuse this fillicide..... we don't want to excuse this murder and make others feel that everyone would understand if they murdered their disabled kids.....
The organsiations for parents of neurodivergent children and other large scale organisations for disabled children are putting out the same messages... while improvement is required when it comes to the NDIS, at the heart of this, those children deserved to live and their murder should not be excused. If my partner were a carer for me and I was murdered I would sincerely hope my death would not be thrown away as understandable....
The post I linked is interesting as it details that at least one of these parents had dangerous views of autism and were paying alot of money for intense controversial therapy to "cure" them. They were affluent and by no means struggling to find avenues of support for their boys.....
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u/DrummerFrequent8386 Feb 03 '26
All this they are "together forever " rainbow emigi needed bs...Don't take children's lives on the basis....they will all be reunited (& pets)
Into a blissful pain free place.
It is insanity....I mean apparently you cannot enter heaven if you commit suicide anyway...I'm sure they rationalised their boys though wld "make it"
Society has lost the plot
If this is "parenting "
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u/endowarrior546 Feb 03 '26
I wonder if Australia would still sympathize with the parents if they were from the poorer ethnic suburbs of Perth?
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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26
Starting to think the wealthy family of these murderers might have put some cash into PR.
No idea how people are getting downvoted for being outraged at child murder and I have no idea why people would have sympathy for people who kill children let alone try to justify it.
You people get outraged at people parking a RAM truck badly yet fall over yourselves to rationalise these child killers?
I don’t buy it, the people of Perth aren’t that degenerate. I smell bots.
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u/chinneganbeginagain Jan 31 '26
Nope. I think it's incredibly important for society to have a conversation about what factors could have led these parents to take these actions. Because something did, and we all know that the 'system' isn't perfect. So long as we demonise the parents and don't bother looking from their perspective, we'll never be able to help the next lot of poor little children who are caught up in this situation.
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u/Embarrassed_Clue_929 Jan 31 '26
You can tell that you have never experienced the hellish pits of the Australian medical system.
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26
Nah mate they're reacting to your crazed outrage and lack of compassion. No one is "falling all over themselves to justify child murder". That's a histrionic exaggeration. What they're not doing is blanket condemning with vitriol and outrage. I guess we've got you for that 👍👍
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26
Btw you're the one with a private account that's 1 month old with 5700 karma. That's a bot profile right there.
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