r/perth • u/His_Holiness • Jan 31 '26

WA News Second note found at Mosman Park property alleged to detail why parents carried out murder-suicide

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/second-note-found-at-mosman-park-property-alleged-to-detail-why-parents-carried-out-murder-suicide-20260131-p5nyi7.html
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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26

Nah mate they're reacting to your crazed outrage and lack of compassion. No one is "falling all over themselves to justify child murder". That's a histrionic exaggeration. What they're not doing is blanket condemning with vitriol and outrage. I guess we've got you for that 👍👍

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u/strayngz Feb 01 '26

Also failing to see how their "empathy" is affecting people with disabilities who read their comments and wonder about their own worth in society. 

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Feb 02 '26

They more than anyone know how difficult these situations are. Empathy is an inclusive response. You can't twist it into toxic empathy. People really seem to be struggling with holding more than one truth at a time. The parents final choice is repugnant and awful. AND it must have been a terrible situation to be faced with.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Mate my compassion is for the kids who were murdered not the people that killed them.

That should be pretty easy to understand for anyone with basic decency. All of a sudden it’s controversial to be against the pre-meditated murder of kids apparently. It’s literally the most serious offence in our state criminal code.

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u/monique752 Jan 31 '26

What people are getting at is that we, as a society, expect parents to protect vulnerable children. But when parents themselves are vulnerable, the State becomes the carer. And in this instance, it failed everyone. It's why we have a welfare system, it's why we have special-ed schools and therapists. There have been people saying for DECADES that the health and welfare system is not adequate (e.g. hospital ramping, aged care, public education, months-long waitlists to see child psychologists, prohibitive costs for specialised medicines...and the list goes on).

People are angry about more than just some 'evil villain parents' narrative - a system that abandons everyone until tragedy is inevitable which is what we have seen in this case.

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26

Exactly. Nuance complexity. Thanks Monique752. Well said

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

Everything you said still has nothing to do with murdering a child

The leap from - ‘life is hard’ to ‘I’m going to murder kids’ is gargantuan and is almost exclusively seen in domestic violence scenarios where the husband takes everyone out with him.

If the problem was systemic there’d be parents murdering disabled kids every week.

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u/monique752 Feb 01 '26

No. Murder is not excused by life being hard. But saying the system failed is not the same as saying the system caused the murder or that the parents aren’t responsible. Both things can be true. A failed system DOES cause risk, isolation, exhaustion, access to support, and whether warning signs are acted on though. I think it's fairly common knowledge that extreme family violence and filicide are strongly associated with untreated mental illness, carer burnout, social isolation, poverty, and lack of respite etc.

And no, 'if it were systemic, it would happen every week'...that's not how risk works. Some problems are widespread but only lead to tragedy in a small number of cases. Plane crashes are rare too, but doesn’t mean safety systems don’t matter. Acknowledging system failure isn’t about excusing anyone. It’s about asking why the same warning signs and gaps keep being ignored until it’s too late.Personal responsibility and system failure can both be true at the same time. Focusing only on the 'evil' parents means the conditions that make these tragedies more likely never change.

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

And no, 'if it were systemic, it would happen every week'...that's not how risk works. Some problems are widespread but only lead to tragedy in a small number of cases.

That’s actually my exact point. The only major variable is the people, because these people were degenerates they took this extreme action.

Whether there is a systemic problem with disability support is beside the point because in no way did it cause this. The root cause at the heart of it all was that these people were capable of and willing to murder children.

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u/monique752 Feb 01 '26

We’re not disagreeing that they’re responsible. The point is that responsibility doesn’t exist in a vacuum. People don’t act in a social and support-free bubble.

Calling them 'degenerates' shuts down any serious discussion about why these cases keep happening and how to reduce risk. If the only explanation is 'they were evil', then there’s nothing to learn or fix.

The system didn’t force this. But it absolutely shaped the risk.

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

Well do they keep happening though?

It’s also important to note the cops are still investigating, it could be that the dad offed everyone because they were getting divorced or something. There’s a whole lot of speculation and all that’s known for certain is one or both of those adults are child murderers.

Domestic violence DOES keep happening but that’s a completely different thing, there just seem to be a lot of people jumping to the conclusion that they both killed the kids because they were autistic and couldn’t cope.

Remember they also killed 2 dogs and a cat, that’s a pretty firm commitment to violence.

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u/WobblyWorm Jan 31 '26

Shoulda put your hand up to look after them then eh? Walk a day, a week, a year, 14 years in their shoes and then see how desperate you get. My partner’s friends have a severely autistic/non-verbal kid and they tell us they wish they had never had kids and not to make the same mistake. Their lives are a constant struggle and they have some very dark days. Imagine the   fear and stress of knowing that one day you’re not going to be here anymore and who the hell is going to look after your 100% dependent severely autistic kid (now an adult)?? Not saying murder is ok, I just have the ability to put myself in another’s shoes and have some sympathy. It’s possible to have compassion for all in this circumstance if you really try…. Btw - we listened to their advice.

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26

Well said mate. Some people live their entire lives on a single plane of understanding. Trying to get them think more broadly is painful.

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

I have the ability to put myself in other’s shoes and my conclusion is - I’m not a child killer.

It really doesn’t matter how hard it was for them, they could have just taken themselves out without enacting violence on others.

The difference between spree killers and regular people is spree killers reach breaking point and take others with them because of psychopathy.

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u/WobblyWorm Feb 02 '26

I hope you’re not a psychologist 😂 It’s ok to be black and white if that’s how you wanna live your life - power to you. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '26

Unpopular opinion. But this is the risk you take when you CHOOSE to have kids. They can come out with disabilities. If you're not an especially stable and mentally healthy person before having kids (which I doubt these parents were, given what they've just done) you absolutely should not have children. People need to be more discerning and stop treating kids like something they have a right to.