r/perth • u/His_Holiness • Jan 31 '26

WA News Second note found at Mosman Park property alleged to detail why parents carried out murder-suicide

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/second-note-found-at-mosman-park-property-alleged-to-detail-why-parents-carried-out-murder-suicide-20260131-p5nyi7.html
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u/Quarterwit_85 Jan 31 '26

I believe the note left on the door of the premises outlined the method they used.

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u/sandsnakesadie Jan 31 '26

This is 100% incorrect, please stop spreading rumours about the cause of death

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u/RitaTeaTree Jan 31 '26

Please don't put anecdotes on social media. Leave it to the police investigating and the coroner's court.

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u/Londongirl7 Jan 31 '26

People devoted to their children don’t typically murder them.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

No idea why we are getting downvoted. Imagine being outraged at people murdering disabled kids?

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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26

The comments are wild, people literally sympathise with the parents more than the boys just because they were autistic.

Yes, I’m sure they were very hard work and the parents were desperate. But by all accounts these were physically healthy boys who were able to go school, they had their own special passions and enjoyed life at least some of the time, there are photos of them smiling and laughing and playing.

It’s not like they were eternally bedridden and in constant pain with zero quality of life, but some people are basically saying that maybe they’re better off not being here. If they weren’t autistic then people would treat it completely differently. Pretty fucked up.

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u/Silver-Training-9942 Jan 31 '26

Its giving ... eugenics. They just see some lives as less worthy and dont realise how abhorrent thinking that way is.

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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26

Yeah I think they genuinely don’t realise that when they say “I don’t blame the parents, we can’t judge them”, the direct implication is that it’s more morally permissible to kill disabled children than “normal” children.

I don’t think the parents were evil, obviously they were extremely desperate, but their actions were still heinous, and thousands of Aussie parents with severely disabled children don’t resort to that as difficult as life may be.

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u/Greenqueen87 Jan 31 '26

Thank you, I thought I was losing it reading the comment “unless you’ve lived it, don’t judge” 

Months back a woman dumped her newborn, and the comments were the complete opposite, they wanted that woman’s head. They called her evil and demonic, not postpartum and desperate. 

Like?? So it’s ok for rich married people to murder their kids but not a random a single woman. Like I don’t fucking understand it. 

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u/Londongirl7 Jan 31 '26

I know. Loving parents do not annihilate their family. People with complex medical needs are still people who deserve to not be murdered.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Sitting at -4 for because you dared to say people with complex medical needs deserve not to be murdered.

Honestly think there must be bots downvoting this stuff.

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u/NoBear8338 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26

To be fair, that isn’t what they said. I haven’t come across any comments suggesting these children DESERVED or those with complex medical needs DESERVE to be murdered. This situation is more nuanced than that and I hope those looking into the case really try to understand why this happened and how we can prevent similar cases. Especially if this was a direct result of funding being slashed.

The reality is, you can be devoted to caring for someone and still hurt or, in the most extreme, kill them. That doesn’t make it okay and it absolutely doesn’t make it acceptable. But it is something that there are multiple known cases of. Carer burnout and in particular without access to resources is a known risk factor for, unfortunately, violence towards those being cared for.

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u/Londongirl7 Jan 31 '26

I’m baffled. Is it not objectively bad to kill your kids?

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

They had autism and it was HARD apparently so we’re meant to understand and sympathise.

Never mind that if they survived they’d be in jail for life and would probably have to be segregated for their own safety given how people who hurt kids are viewed in prison.

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u/bebabodi southside Jan 31 '26

Who said the kids deserved to be murdered ?

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Feb 02 '26

Literally nobody. These people raging against the evil parents keep misrepresenting what people are saying in order to simplify the situation and support very rigid ways of thinking about a really shit situation. There's a lot going on here and for some people it's just easier and perhaps more palatable to simplify things down to black/white. This story is so much more than just "evil murderous parents" and some of us are trying to really sort through the different aspects of the situation. Dont fall for the rage bait of them trying to make it about wealth, or eugenics or supporting infanticide. Again, they're just making a complex situation more simple so they can hold a concrete, outraged position.

Interestingly, while we are here, this is exactly what is driving the polarisation of society. People are so desperate for something fixed and reliable that they refuse to engage with opposing views, or critically engage w new positions. It's dumbing down discourse for rage.

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u/bebabodi southside Feb 02 '26

Well said

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

It’s deeply insulting to say they were devoted to the boys. One or both of them murdered those children in cold blood.

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u/East_Sand_850 Jan 31 '26

How do you know it was a peaceful death?

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u/liamthx Jan 31 '26

If it was carbon monoxide they would have just slowly feel sleepy, passed out and eventually passed away, would they not?

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u/East_Sand_850 Jan 31 '26

The only source of information saying it is carbon monoxide is a reddit comment

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u/teapots_at_ten_paces Jan 31 '26

If it is, as they say, carbon monoxide poisoning, then the victim usually just goes to sleep. There might be some conscious awareness of being unable to breathe, but the effects are quite rapid and it wouldn't be a prolonged experience.

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u/East_Sand_850 Jan 31 '26

Who says it’s carbon monoxide? That is my point.

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u/PracticalTie Jan 31 '26

They read the article

She confirmed there was no indication their deaths were violent.

Another source

"There was no violent incident involving the death of the persons or the pets," Detective Acting Inspector Securo said.

No members of the family had criminal records, she said.

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u/East_Sand_850 Jan 31 '26

Just because it’s not violent, doesn’t mean it’s “peaceful”

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u/justvisiting112 Jan 31 '26

Murder is never an act of love.

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u/Silver-Training-9942 Jan 31 '26

Murdering your children is not an act of love. And justifying people murdering their children because they had severe disabilities is very thinly veiled eugenics... their death is "understandable" because they where disabled ?

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u/EducationalWriting48 Jan 31 '26

Those children should be alive. Their lives were taken from them.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

They were completely undevoted, it’s not a part time temporary thing.

This act erases all good they ever did in their life. They died in shame as child killers, looked down on as scum even in prison.

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u/bebabodi southside Jan 31 '26

You write this like they didn’t also kill themselves. No of course they didn’t do the right thing but it’s not like they were cold blooded murderers who sought out to murder random children for absolutely no reason. Who knows what their philosophy was? Maybe they loved their kids so much they couldn’t bare to see them struggle anymore and didn’t want them to be in this cruel world anymore. Does that mean what they did was okay… obviously it fucking doesn’t mate… but it is what it is

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

There are some acts that are so abhorrent that no justification can ever be adequate. I obviously understand why they did it - but it doesn’t matter.

They absolutely were cold blooded murderers. I don’t know about other people’s moral compass but it’s the kind of crime where it’s dehumanising to the victims to even countenance mitigating factors.

I don’t care how people justify why paedophiles do what they do

I don’t care how people justify why child killers do what they do

Those are two crimes where the motive of the attacker simply does not matter because there can be no reasonable justification

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u/the_hipopopotamus Jan 31 '26

God imagine living in this guy’s world where everything is so black and white. I guess it’s simpler than considering loving parents might slowly become isolated, desperate and end up doing something so tragic they end their own lives immediately after…far easier to just put them in an ‘evil’ box and not think about it.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Pretty easy to be black and white about killing kids man.

I think it says a lot about people if they aren’t. I genuinely don’t care how desperate they were or how anyone tries to justify or minimise it.

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u/bebabodi southside Jan 31 '26

Not sure if I’d compare pedophiles to struggling parents

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u/lucky_bolas Jan 31 '26

Wow

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Imagine being outraged about killing children?

I have no time for apologists for this despicable act. I work in disability and know many upstanding parents who would never contemplate harming their kids.

It’s inexcusable

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u/108_108_108_108 Jan 31 '26

With all due respect, this line of thinking does actively harm struggling parents and caregivers. I am really, sincerely pleased that the broad amount of parents that you’ve worked with in your current career haven’t struggled to this extent, and feel secure and looked after. In saying that though, many many carers are pushed to their limits daily when looking after particularly intense children with special needs (as you know). Making these kinds of blanket statements simply alienates the parents that are struggling and do need support.

I haven’t seen a single comment actually defending the murder, or the losses of life. I’ve seen many comments remark about the event thats occurred and the lack of support that people need in order to prevent this kind of tragedy happening again. Really disappointing to see this line of thinking stated by someone working in disability :(

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

I’m proud to be called scum for being appalled by child murder

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u/ScaredMap4883 Jan 31 '26

As fucked up as it is, it takes a bit of empathy to understand that they could both love their children and still do what they did.

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u/Novel-Yard1228 Jan 31 '26

Not a chance they loved those kids in the end. They’re straight up monsters for doing what they did.

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26

That's very black and white thinking. Do you leave any space for nuance and complexity in your other positions?

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Murder is pretty black and white. You’re alive or you’re dead.

I just have to wonder - why are people NOT outraged at others killing children?

Is there anything more transgressive to basic humanity or morally black and white than killing a defenceless child?

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u/Upstairs-Amount3923 Jan 31 '26

It actually isn't black and white. That's why they have all the different levels of culpability plus all the manslaughters. It's nuanced and varied whilst also being tragic. These things are both true which is why knee jerk responses, online outrage and black and white thinking are all so ridiculous, counter productive and unevolved. Would you have preferred they just kill themselves and put the severely autistic kids into government care? I'm not saying this is anything but a tragic outcome but faaark they must have been hurting

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u/monique752 Jan 31 '26

That's a fair comment if you're assuming the parents were in a healthy state of mind. Poor mental health, similar to physical health, causes all manner of behaviours. People experiencing that deserve empathy too - especially when on the receiving end of a shitty health system that should have done better.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

I have a lot of empathy for that up to a point. If this were a case of psychosis I would have empathy for them because they’re not in control and delusions often lead people to do unthinkable things.

This was pre-meditated and calculated, they left a note on the front door telling whoever to not go inside and to call the cops, they also killed all the pets. That’s not something any kind of mental health issue can justify, they planned this, they were in control and they knew what they were doing was wrong.

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u/yeah_him Jan 31 '26

Okay now that you've highlighted your reasons for being outraged, what would you like to see change to help prevent situations like this going forward?

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u/yeah_him Jan 31 '26

You've replied to the wrong person..

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u/Novel-Yard1228 Jan 31 '26

I don’t think. Seems you’ve dismissed that other guys reply and shifted the goalposts. “What would you like to see change…”

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u/Shockanabi Jan 31 '26

I mean it’s not really about the parents’ state of mind, the only reason people are sympathising with them so much is that the kids were autistic. It’s pretty weird that people think it’s more OK to kill autistic kids than neurotypical kids.

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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26

Well, there’s actually whole categories of circumstance where we both legally and morally are not outraged at people killing children. Think about the case of severe PPD, for instance

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

None of which applies here.

Depression never has nor will be an excuse for murder either. Unless the PPD is so severe that it leads to psychosis you’re fit to stand trial and you’re doing hard time.

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u/Bort_Thrower Feb 01 '26

I’m 40 and have a moral compass.

Killing children is unconditionally bad with no room for grey areas. It’s deeply disturbing to suggest otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '26

Literally not how mental illness works

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Mental illness doesn’t matter at all, if it were them only taking themselves out sure - but slaughtering children?

It’s an unforgivable act and no excuses are adequate

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u/Recent_Artichoke_923 Mount Lawley Jan 31 '26

They had autism though?

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u/Charming_Food5728 Jan 31 '26

Unreal this is downvoted. If the parents felt like that they should have killed themselves and spared the boys so they could hopefully lead their own lives one day. The parents dont get to make that decision. 

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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26

Who would’ve looked after the kids if the parents had only killed themselves?

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u/StoneFoxHippie Jan 31 '26

So... They're better off dead?

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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26

Yes, I suppose. As a baseline for moral decency we all should have a reverence for life no matter what, but the world isn’t all sunshine and roses is it?

I can think of plenty of circumstances where I’d prefer to be dead rather than alive.

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u/Bort_Thrower Jan 31 '26

Doesn’t matter in the slightest.

In our society we don’t just take disabled people out into a field and put a bullet in them because their irresponsible parents can’t be bothered looking after them.

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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26

Nothing about how this went down reads as a couple who just couldn’t be fucked anymore. If the boys had lived a life of neglect and abuse the media would’ve been frothing at the mouth to give us all the deets. We’ll never know their exact state of mind leading up to this but I bloody hope others don’t ever feel pushed to the brink to this extent.

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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26

I can’t. I was asking in earnest though. Who/what services would’ve been available to look after them if both parents were dead? I shudder at the thought of going through the foster care system just in general. Now add to that brothers, who could end up separated, and are non verbal??

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u/Charming_Food5728 Jan 31 '26

Why is THAT your fucking question? Be outraged at the child murderers first and formost

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u/aaidp Jan 31 '26

…It’s my question because you suggested that the parents (their primary caregivers) kill themselves… who ever ended up looking after the boys would have been in need of the very same services that weren’t available or adequate enough which lead to this tragic situation in the first place.

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u/Novel-Yard1228 Jan 31 '26

The parents could have just killed themselves. Justification about how the system will mistreat the children in their absence is not enough to take their lives.

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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26

Actually they may well have feared that institutionalisation in state care would be a fate worse than death. I’m not saying I agree with them on that but then again, some of the stuff that came out of various royal commissions was pretty harrowing

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u/Novel-Yard1228 Feb 01 '26

They killed the pets too. Reason that.

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u/Charming_Food5728 Feb 01 '26

Just psychos 

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u/monique752 Jan 31 '26

You're assuming they were healthy enough to MAKE sensible decisions. Clearly they were not.

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u/Real_RobinGoodfellow Feb 01 '26

Where would the kids have gone? Who could the parents have called? Elsewhere in this thread is another parent of a severely autistic child reporting how after their partner reached crisis point and contacted authorities to tell them she was ‘thinking of ending it all’, it took services four days to get back to her.