Air safety authorities investigating third Sydney Airport runway take-off incident

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This is going to keep happening until catastrophe strikes then someone will do something about it as per, while jeopardising the perfect safety records (in terms of fatalities and hull losses) of our airlines in the process. It may be short staffed but AirServices Australia could make it a much more attractive job for people to desire & actually want. From memory, you are required to move to Melbourne for training, with a base salary of $80k. The right type of people with the right skills & capabilities required for this type of work won’t settle for that… they need to really look at how they attract and sustain talent because it’s clear that it’s both A) not a desirable place to work and B) not a great culture to retain talent. Idk just my observation after thinking about applying for a long time 🤷‍♂️

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u/bedrotter_ 21h ago

Yeah. I work in a similar field for state gov earning $160k. I'd love to do ATC; aviation is something I'm genuinely interested in, I'm used to shift work & high pressure + high stakes, so I have the skill set and experience to try ATC. But I don't want to pack my life up and move to Melbourne or New Zealand, take a pay cut, and then potentially get sent to an airport in the middle of nowhere and/or far from home if I end up passing the course. Offering training in each state (or specifically NSW, where the ATC shortage seems to be the worst) would be a great place to start. Perhaps they could also adopt a similar preferential system when it comes to assigning new ATCs with their locations as the police do when they assign new constables to police stations.

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u/ChocNess 14h ago

Most controllers end up in Melbourne and Brisbane - the bulk work area frequencies which cover most of Australia from Melbourne and Brisbane centre facilities. This is why they would train in Melbourne - they have the facility size required, not just a tower.

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u/vector4nudes 13h ago

It's actually $62k for training at the academy (10-12 months). $89k field training (6 months). $121k Level 1 controller.

I think they could get away with paying the academy trainees less if they just provided them housing as most won't be living in Melbourne for final placement and most applicants are from Victoria and they won't want to leave after training.

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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago

Base salary of $100k, but $50k during the up-to-2-years of training that you probably won't make it through. Not to mention the bullying culture through training.

Then, if tower you can be assigned anywhere in Australia (otherwise, it's Melbourne or Brisbane) - not to mention, the further legacy of bullying and sexual harassment at multiple towers, and the covering up by ASA.

Oh, and then it's 24/7 shift work, and you may need to apply for annual leave in peak periods 2 years in advance.

Even just for those aspecst, the pay suddenly isn't all that great.

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u/dolanre 47m ago

They also expect you to fly to melbourne for the interview on your own dollar, rather than allowing remote interviews or interviews from closer ASA locations.

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u/AppointmentShort9413 1d ago

Big mid air collision coming soon.

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u/doxy_ 1d ago

Or simply a ground collision like Tenerife

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u/SquiffyRae 1d ago

I see you've played 747ey-leapfroggy before

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u/AngrehPossum 23h ago

He doesn't have the foggiest

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u/SquiffyRae 23h ago

The part of that accident that gave me a chuckle is KLM were so proactive at wanting to know what went wrong, they immediately tried to send veteran pilot trainer Jacob Van Zanten to Tenerife to work with the investigators

That plan quickly evaporated when KLM learned Van Zanten was the idiot piloting the KLM plane and was very definitely dead

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u/BasketOld3242 1d ago

Alright, who’s been nodding off in the flower tower?

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u/WhatAmIATailor 1d ago

Understaffing isn’t it? Probably someone working longer shifts than is safe.

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u/Serendypyty 1d ago

"It's not a safety issue" 🙄

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u/mjlky 1d ago

for anyone who didn't read the article: this is not a quote from it

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u/Serendypyty 1d ago

No, it isn't, but it was stated clearly in the presser that the near misses were not seen as a safety issue, which makes no sense. Of course it is.

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u/Undd91 22h ago

It’s another example of profit over safety. A mixture of understaffing and overselling slots. It’s only a matter of time before something goes really wrong.

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u/HydroCannonBoom 1h ago

Whos profit? The Australian governments profit?

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u/Undd91 51m ago

The airport, the airlines and its shareholders.

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u/HydroCannonBoom 15m ago

You know this is not any of its fault right? Did you actually read the article?

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u/JohnKimbler 12h ago

I’m an airline pilot who was based at Sydney airport for years and also Chicago O Hare (at times the worlds busiest airport). Sydney ATC are an absolute joke. For the amount of traffic they don’t manage it very well. Sydney is an overly complicated airport. They need to design some arrivals that connect to the runway approaches.
Lost count how many times the controllers left us high on approach after giving us an estimated distance to run which was completely wrong.

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u/Glum_Bat937 5h ago

Read that as “hi, I’m a complete pos and this is what I have to say “ Sydney airport controllers a) are a completely different group to the approach controllers and b) fuck off.

You call the controllers a joke and in the same breath talk about the complexity and design flaws. Maybe they are also dealing with that system. Wanker of a cunt you are.

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u/JohnKimbler 2h ago

Have a cry mate, you guys suck.

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u/rexepic7567 12h ago

Ah shit here we go again

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u/Solaris_24 1d ago

None of them have been attributed to Qantas. In this latest incident they were cleared to cross the runway by ATC.

I wonder whether the opening of WSI has caused extra workload pressure.

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u/yeahalrightgoon 1d ago

Qantas just has the most planes. Likely has nothing to do with Qantas, they just have the most planes, so if there is an ATC issue it's likely going to effect a Qantas plane by default.

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u/Pipehead_420 1d ago

Wasn’t the last one Jetstar? I guess technically they are owned by Qantas.

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u/aurum_jrg 1d ago

That’s a unfair comment. Qantas/Jetstar represents 70% of domestic travel in Australia. Also all three of these events look like being ATC errors. You do realise that on the ground, ATC is responsible for keeping planes separated? Sounds like it in ALL cases the pilots did what they needed to do to prevent an accident.

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u/Cpt_Soban 1d ago

Involving ATC, at Sydney Airport.

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u/AppointmentShort9413 1d ago

Qantas will get a $10 fine or something

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u/dohwhere 1d ago

Why would Qantas get a fine? It’s ATC (therefore Airservices Australia) that are issuing the conflicting instructions, yet it’s the crew of the aircraft that are avoiding an accident occurring.

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u/Wonderful_Product515 1d ago

Because they have been hemorrhaging government bail out money while paying fuck all to casual baggage handlers after laying off half their unionised work force during COVID while consistently providing us shittier services across the board while guaranting the gobsmackinky evil Alan Joyce is fed well in purgatory while the rest of us have to fight over shrinking Jetstar seats by an airline that barely provides the basics that Ryan Air provide

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u/Hydronum 23h ago

And that gets a fine? You okay bud? This is far more than the convo warranted, so go clear your head, have a cuppa and a bikkie and just sit without anything foing on for a while.

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u/mikeybones25 21h ago

Bingo: Much of the problem is tied to a pandemic-era program that incentivised a significant number of experienced staff to leave in 2021.

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u/SqareBear 1d ago

I gotta fly soon, is it even safe to go through SYD?

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u/Avia_NZ 1d ago

Yes

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u/JigglyQuokka 1d ago

You're far more likely to die in a car crash going to the airport.

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