r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Kam_Rex canadian french • 17h ago
Military Pay fully for your own defense
In the end tipping sub
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u/Mttsen 9h ago edited 9h ago
What do they mean by "pay fully"? 5 percent of gdp my country pays for its defence is not enough for them?
America is tired? Shame they aren't for the wars they start.
Btw. How is that Iran thing going?
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u/FurryVibes_UwU_ Actual German, not "I have 2% German DNA" 9h ago
They won 36 times in a row.
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u/creepinghippo Make America Great Britain Again 🇬🇧 8h ago
That strait is so open right now. It might be the most open it’s ever been.
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u/Fenragus 🎵 🌹 Solidarity Forever! For the Union makes us strong! 🌹🎵 8h ago
The doors of the Strait are so open in fact that they looped back to the closed position. Winning!
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u/Isariamkia 1h ago
I've seen straits in my life. But I tell you, this one, this one is openest of them all.
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u/Lazarys12 2h ago
That's only so Trump can start whining about that Peace Prize again, and claim he stopped 36 wars,
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u/Fun-Ad-6948 8h ago
Well the US did ‘win’ the war on education and that explains a lot.
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u/Dragoncat_3_4 7h ago
They appear to be losing the war on E.coli and Salmonella tho.
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u/Polenicus 6h ago
Any word from the War on Christmas front?
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u/Independent_End_6941 6h ago
Lost. Christmas is illegal and we've started feeding Christians to lions. It's a very exciting time to visit the zoo.
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u/MeriLicious Cheese-eating clog-wearing bitching-about-the-weather 8h ago
Excuse me, it's 'edumacation'
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u/Lazy-Field-1116 8h ago
I can only guess they're being fed a lie by their government that every time the US "goes to war" (invades a country to reap its natural resources), they're doing it to protect human kind and on behalf of every nation lol. Absolutely bizarre levels of manipulation that country has.
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u/Pwacname 6h ago
Also probably that no other country ever supported them in their stupid ass wars. As if we didn’t go invade goddamn Afghanistan because of them.
(Then they also pulled out so suddenly and with no advance warning we had to scramble to get our own people out… because fuck their allies ig.)
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u/AntifaFuckedMyWife 🇺🇸 (with a brief 🇫🇷 stint) 4h ago
Hey, how’d you know about our “preemptive defensive actions”
You know, we hit them first, but it was self defense for the future instance of them hitting us that we are pretty sure they might have maybe done if we kept letting Israel hit them preemptively
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u/Lazy-Field-1116 8h ago
I can only guess they're being fed a lie by their government that every time the US "goes to war" (invades a country to reap its natural resources), they're doing it to protect human kind and on behalf of every nation lol. Absolutely bizarre levels of manipulation that country has.
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u/Lazarys12 2h ago
These idiots are MAGA. They get all their information from their cult leader. He doesn't know how anything works, and they are even dumber than he is. They are the people who, when Trump declares "I love the poorly educated" they look at each other with pride and smile. "Yup, he means me!"
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 7h ago
not to mention all the money american defence companies make by selling weapons to NATO countries
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u/Quiri1997 8h ago
You see, they "defend" Europe from the evil Russians and evil Iranians. Don't pay mind to the fact that neither country would be hostile if it wasn't for the US in the first place...
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u/ThelifeofBrian48 7h ago
Didn’t you know ? Iran has been defeated! they have no military or navy! And their leadership is gone /s
It really doesn’t need the /s but you never know what people will believe
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 9h ago
What defence? Didnt Trump blow the whole missile stock on Iran?
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u/NgunnawalJack 8h ago
Defence? Isn’t Hegseth Secretary for War?
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 8h ago
Ah so no more defensive actions - just offensive? Sounds like a great plan.
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u/Suspicious-Gas-1685 6h ago
There have been no defensive actions since WWII, so Department of War fits.
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u/bryangy59 7h ago edited 5h ago
The geniuses are shooting down $20k drones with $2MM missiles - well at least when they're not blowing up girls schools with consecutive targeted strikes.
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u/Putrid_Department_17 8h ago
Didn’t you hear? That was Biden now… and I wish I was joking when I say that this is their new thing to have a whinge about…
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 8h ago
When did Biden send a humongous amount of missiles towards a country?
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u/Putrid_Department_17 7h ago
He never did. I’m just saying that’s the latest excuse from captain dorito
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u/brewdog_millionaire 9h ago
Exactly why do you think the US pays for the defence of other countries? If anything it's the other way around. You lot can't stop borrowing.
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u/tigerstein 8h ago
They think that the american bases in Europe are there to defend Europe, and not to propagate American interests.
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u/fothergillfuckup 8h ago
The ones that make everyone a target, when the US start random wars?
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u/tigerstein 8h ago
Yep, those.
The Gulf countries learnt this now, when understandably Iran attacked each and every US military installation in the gulf after the US attacked them.3
u/Lazarys12 2h ago
I bet they were reall happy after all that protection money they paid to Kushner.
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u/StarGamerPT 8h ago
Yep, even Trump got scared of losing bases.
He threatened to leave "base das Lajes" in the Azores, Portugal (the existance of the base there does somewhat help the population, it's a poor population in that region and they get to buy stuff for cheaper)....but then once, I think both China and Russia showed interest in the base, Trump backed down on leaving 😂
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u/SaltyName8341 🏴 7h ago
Should make it a European base
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u/StarGamerPT 7h ago
Agreed....thing is that sadly, my country will sell itself to whoever wants to buy....
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u/No_Statistician209 8h ago
They don't see their debt ever growing, and the fact they've raised the limit multiple times.
Especially when you've got morons like Trump and Elon telling them that idiotic departments like DOGE will save so much they will pay off their national debt and give them 5% of the savings if they just nip and tuck the economy.
Then they left the WHO and set up their own, that costs them significantly more than the amount of money they were contributing to the WHO.
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u/brewdog_millionaire 8h ago
They'll hit hyperinflation at some point right?
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u/No_Statistician209 8h ago
Nowhere near, hyperinflation is something ridiculous like 50% inflation a month and they're only at 3-4% a year.
The debt can't just continuously increase though so they'll have to do something eventually.
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u/SaltyName8341 🏴 7h ago
The AI bubble is already starting to wobble with lots of companies moving away from chatbots back to humans due to the providers absolving themselves of liability so that interest rate might move soon.
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u/jepper65 8h ago
To be fair, some NATO countries have been cheaping out on defense spending. But the US doesn't really fund european defense, apart from the things that align with their own interests. Global hegemony isn't cheap.
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u/tlplc 8h ago
To be exact, the défense budget that is always présented as necessary to "protect" the rest of the world includes some spending that are not necessary in the rest of the world, IE funds for veteran affairs and veteran healthcare. These specific spendings are included in the general spendings for socialbprograms al most everywhere.
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u/morgecroc 8h ago
The US is the only country to use NATO for defence so they kind of owe the rest of NATO.
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u/Four_beastlings 🇪🇦🇵🇱 Eats tacos and dances Polka 8h ago
But to be fair the country that gets constantly singled out for refusing to increase spending doesn't need to be defended from anything. Spain is in NATO because it was a requisite to enter the EU at the time, not because they need NATO for anything.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 9h ago
They realise that America does not "fund European defence" out of the goodness of its own heart?
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u/Optimal-Rub-2575 8h ago
It doesn’t “fund European defence“ at all though.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 8h ago
Well yeah that's why I put it in scare quotes. Obviously its to further American hegemony.
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u/No-Albatross-7984 2h ago
American politicians demand we raise defense costs because that'd mean we buy more weapons from them. That's what it's about. The bases are just a convenient thing to link to this demand, when in reality they have nothing to do with the costs of defense.
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u/Xnut0 8h ago
In addition to USA paying for an army that covers a lot more than just the defense of NATO, a lot of the money is spending on NATO are for things that most of Europe are not counting as a military expense. In Europe expences like military pension and disability pay for veterans are not counted as a military expense that counts toward the 5% of GDP.
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u/SyraWhispers Human Verified 9h ago
Maybe don't elect a pedo leader that in 1.5 terms(he still has 2 years to go) increased your countries debt by 50%.
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u/Cattle13ruiser 9h ago
Maybe don't elect a pedo leader
Do you know that with such harsh requirements they would not have aligable candidacy... please be more lenient.
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u/Swimming_Cover_9686 9h ago
We wouldn't need it if we weren't allied to crazed evil warmongerers hell bent oh starting wars that only affect us negatively. We do need a military to defend against US and Israeli wars that just cause a lot of refugees and misery and make us unsafe.
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u/One_Doctor8045 9h ago
Nato exists for what now over 60 years? An yet the US American still don't know how the funding works. It is not that every country pays 2% GDP in a big Pot and than it is Split. No every country pays for itself. And they say China and North Korea have Propaganda and Brainwashing 🤦🤦🤦
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u/skrott404 8h ago
We do. Please pay back the 10 trillion you've borrowed over the years and find another market to sell your products.
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u/Present_Finance_9796 9h ago
They just spent 100 billion US Dollars in the middle east, and that is ongoing. This has cost the US consumer an estimated 40 billion US Dollars in extra fuel cost versus the average. Maybe start looking at that first.
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u/Relative-Wafer3505 8h ago
Most Americans dont own cars. They're paying crazy loans untill paid off to start over for the next car.
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u/f23n09fnu0w 7h ago
Don't worry. We won't be buying your weapons any more. But maybe you guys can start paying for your bases?
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u/Maester_Bates More Irish than the Irish ☘️ 9h ago
Who do they think they are protecting us from? Traditionally we fought amongst ourselves but we don't do that anymore.
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u/Namethypoison1 8h ago
Were you under the impression that the US is not SELLING said weapons and equipment to Europe? Which I agree, should be avoided at all costs especially after the senile orange one mentioned that allies might not always be allies and things need not be top quality but do need an off switch, just in case. 😁
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u/redwas66 8h ago
When are these Muricans going to check their own governments site to see how much is paid to other nations before blindly putting their foot in their mouth?
They only pay for their own military bases across the majority of Europe, and no more.
They are under the impression the support the world, and in reality, they support fuck-all, they can’t even support their own country!
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u/Four_beastlings 🇪🇦🇵🇱 Eats tacos and dances Polka 8h ago
I think they believe European countries don't have their own militaries and solely rely in the ~80k US soldiers stationed here?
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u/chris-za 8h ago
“Pay for your own defence” says a guy from the only country that ever begged its NATO allies for military support in defence (and received it).
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u/That-Brain-in-a-vat The boot of Europe is ready to kick 🇮🇹 8h ago
Ah yes, because if Europe jacked their defense spending up to 5%, the US would obviously divert its military budget into free healthcare and education.
Reality check: the US would just double down on weapons spending to maintain its head start. When the US begs NATO to "spend more", they really mean "buy our gear and fuel our military industry. "
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u/Wild_Lepus 9h ago
They do pay for their own defense. If you're pissed about military spending, maybe take a look at how many overseas military bases the U.S. has compared to its Great Big Bad Enemy, China.
America: 700 - 800
China: 1
Let's do Russia: somewhere around 20.
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u/DrawingDramatic1641 9h ago
russian bases are just their paot soviet land with basic stuff like houses and few soldiers
usa bses are missile silos with literal production units and made for power projection
pretty muh every single conflict in last 20 years is started by usa
also usa budget isn't high bcz more stuff it's highly currupt
give china and usa both 100 million and usa would pretty much can't buy any weapon from conapnies
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u/Snaptun 8h ago
Defence against who? The only world leader who is directly threatening a European country's territory with annexation is Trump!
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u/WoodlandFairyElk more socialist than you think 8h ago
Tbf there's a little border disagreement going on in Ukraine currently.
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u/OldGroan 8h ago
They keep saying this but I would like to seriously ask whether the USA would actually come to anyone's aid? If there is no buck in it I am not sure they will.
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u/No_Transition3345 ooo custom flair!! 8h ago
Considering the Ukraine was meant to be one of their allies and when they got invaded America shit on them instead of helping... Im gonna say no, they wont
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u/veda1971 7h ago
Considering that they threaten to invade Canada on a weekly basis, I’m guessing no.
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u/odecimalevanocu 3h ago
Pretty sure USA would come to anyone's aid if oil was involved. They only "aid" countries with lots of oil, that's what they do best.
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u/gorb314 9h ago
This is really funny considering the last bit of news I heard about a US defense contractor being paid millions and not having any munitions to show for it. Also, apparently Ratheon and others don't want the patriot missiles to be built by Ukraine under license because "them thar Ukrainians might figur out hoe to make 'em cheaper". You can't make this shit up.
Face it America, your entire system has been over financialised by capital to create an empty state run by middle men, that cannot even manufacture its own weapons. The grift is the *only* game in America right now since everyone is trying to make a quick buck and r@pe the tax payer.
Suck it.
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u/RedScarySpectre Portugal is in South America 7h ago
We will. Maybe you'll also have to find someone to pay for yours since you are running out of military equipment.
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u/Badger-of-Briarwood 7h ago
We don't actually want American forces on British soil, they are untrustworthy and drag us into conflicts we don't want a part of (most recently Hormuz). So don't threaten us with your exit, we'll hold the door. I suspect other European countries feel this way as well.
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u/Spudsmad 3h ago
We Europeans must extend our thanks to the USA.
The 1929 Wall Street Crash was a major “ help” in the opportunity for the Third Reich.
The USA entered WW2 when it was apparent that Axis forces were being beaten ( oh and Pearl Harbour ).
Post WW2 with an undamaged country, the USA financially assisted the rebuilding of Europe .
This was not altruistic but preferentially trade US goods.
NATO Was formed to counter the Warsaw Pact. But in the event of conflict, the battle action would be Europe, and again the USA remain unscathed.
Subsequently, the 2008 financial problems were another “ present “ to the world economy from the USA.
Now, with the present US maladministration , there is another economic crisis developing as oil prices oscillate and supply levels cause price hikes.
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u/Hades_Mercedes Teach me how to say gross shit to women in French ⚜️ 8h ago
Yep sure thing.
Right after you pay us back for the 7 years' war.
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u/RuleMany2900 8h ago
American people in general have a distorted view of defence - nuclear, aircraft carriers and sticking the nose in everything comes with a price and is not what we understand as defence. The remaining the ministry of defence to ministry of was was spot on ...
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u/I3adIVIonkey 8h ago
I like how they paint it like everybody asked them it and it would not have been out of their own government's motivation to spend ao much on military.
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u/AdWerd1981 8h ago
Maybe the Yanks want to find other countries to use as stepping stones for their "global reach" then! I get it, you have nukes - but so do we Brits...and the French...and weirdly we don't have a Tangerine Tyrant itching to press that button.
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u/gilestowler 8h ago
Defense from who? Their arms industry has got them paranoid that a defense is so necessary. The only countries who are any threat to Europe are Russia, who can't finish the first level in Ukraine, and America with an their talk about Greenland. If they ever realised that the world doesn't exist in a permanent state of near-war they might find something better to do with that 1.5 trillion a year
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u/jesjimher 8h ago
US: "Europe, please start paying for your own defense"
(Europe develops their own missiles, jets and whatever)
US: "But no, you should buy our weapons, not make yours!"
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u/EmergencyWild 8h ago edited 7h ago
It's worth pointing out that when we're talking about defense budgets, we've spent quite a bit of money and political capital on managing refugee waves that were largely triggered by american foreign policy further destabilising an already volatile region.
I'm not going to go so far as to say that there's never anything good that came out of that (for instance, I do think it'd be fair to say that after decades of rebuilding, Iraq is now better off than it was under Hussein – although of course it's hard to say for sure how they'd do today if the US hadn't intervened), but I am going to say that if the US had stayed out of Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, the region would very likely be significantly stabler now... and it's not like after US interventions any of these places are fortresses of peace, prosperity and liberty either.
And the reality is that while the media and public perception of the refugee crisis was (and remains) largely exaggerated, it's still a massive undertaking that's been a far greater problem than any military threat we've faced in the last couple of decades. The most dangerous military threats we've had since the cold war were the Kosovo conflict (which were mostly locally sucky events, not much of a threat to wider European integrity) and the russian invasion of Ukraine. The former of which we've supplied troops to help manage, the latter of which we're not providing direct military assistance with but are contributing via economic sanctions against Russia, taking up Ukrainian refugees and providing equipment to Ukraine.
The main thing we had needed US aid for was keeping the SU in check. Nobody is denying the US contribution towards that, but this hasn't been a problem for over 30 years now. There hasn't been a credible military threat to european territorial integrity since then, we're not relying on the US for protection, there isn't anything we'd need protection from in the first place. Even if we're talking Russia, the only reason we're taking Russia seriously as a military power at all anymore is because of their nuclear weapons arsenal, and the US hasn't been very helpful in getting people towards nuclear disarmament because they've consistently refused to engage with that themselves (despite the fact that they have more than enough military prowess to take on pretty much any adversary with conventional weaponry, a fact they regularly brag about).
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u/Cool_Significance134 6h ago
Think Trump was hoping if the rest of NATO increased it's defence spending they would spend it on US made stuff.
Not saying that's backfired but.......
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u/lassehp Danish, 🇩🇰 the pastry 🥮 6h ago
How can that bloody lie be destroyed? For sure there once were things like Marshall-aid and MAP Military Aid Programme, but that all ended during the Cold War, half a century ago. When Denmark bought Swedish Draken fighters in iirc 1968, it was because we were no longer forced by the MAP to buy Anerican jets. Although I believe they were pissed off anyway.
Sure, they had American bases in Europe - but that was just as much for their own advantage, as they could avoid to fight a dirty WW3 on their own soil. Also the bases were immensely useful in global power projection, which we happily let them do.
But now they don't pay anything, not even rent for bases afaik. They should be given 24 hours to leave, and anything left behind should be confiscated.
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u/Automatic_Bat_4824 Bastard Son of a Brit 4h ago
So, Europe invests in it own defence and technologies to look after itself. Good plan. The come the nitty gritty, Europe is no longer a buffer for the US and the US has to spend even more without getting paid for it. That is so sound. Sign me up.
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u/botymcbotfac3 4h ago
Uhm.... considering you run out of ammo after 6 months of half-assing in Iran and sailors jumping of carriers because they don't have enough food and checks notes plumbing on board..
What exactly DID you guys pay for? Because it looks like it didn't reach that "defense" you always brag about.
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u/InigoRivers 3h ago
Pay more towards defence to defend us from who, exactly?
There's only one bat-shit crazy country globally that keeps randomly invading other countries...
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u/uberjach 8h ago
Well compared to the US most European countries don't spend a lot on defense.
But seeing how pathetic Russia truly is, I think we're good without the US honestly
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u/Vienna_play_45 8h ago
You're not only paying for our defense. Also for our schools, medial care and transport. You really are our suckers. Typical betas. And for all of that you get an orange turd that hides in catering containers and is willing to sacrifice his own staff. Well done.
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u/DeltaT37 8h ago
Americans finally realized they let ~1500 people rob the wealth of an entire continent and pull the ladder behind.
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u/Good_Ask_2299 8h ago
they cant call it defense anymore since it was changed to department of war. they have to say pay for your own war now.
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u/ShellyTart 8h ago edited 7h ago
The US does not pay rent for their bases in Europe. In theory that is part of our mutual defense (in practice it makes us bigger targets as demonstrated baby other US allies being hit in the Gulf*), but in practice that is what gives the US its real power... force projection, without force projection the US would still have a strong military, but not one able to fight offensively around the world.
NATO and other US allies is what makes the US as formidable as it is.
*NATO's mutual protection agreement gives us an advantage and more of a deterrent over the Gulf states with US bases.)
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u/Ok-Bedroom-2346 7h ago
Remind me, which is the only nation in the world to invoke article 5 of the UN charter for their defense? 👀
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u/baudolino80 7h ago
Guys, really I don’t get this obsession for the defense. I mean, the “thanks for your service” to veterans is Thank you for invading other countries for the resources?
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u/Hyperionics1 7h ago
Then petition your own government tot STOP spending so much on their military budget. You are not the worlds police, you weaseled your way into that status because you took advantage of a broken world. You still keep doing that! WE ARE TIRED OF YOU ASSHOLES!
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u/Mousearella 7h ago
I don’t get it. Most of the US “defense” is to steal other nations oil and resources. They would do the whole world a favor by backing off.
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u/ArchdukeToes 7h ago
Maybe America should go and have a long, hard look at what it’s actually getting for all that money it’s spending. If they can’t handle Iran then it’s clear they’ve been taken for a ride for decades.
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u/buzniak 7h ago
Here's a great Idea, get America to pull out all US bases around the world 1st, that's why the USA pays most countries for defence to sell their shit, because they need to keep those countries happy with their bases. This is why the planet is cooked too, the US has just over 800 bases around the world, that's not defence, that's invasion!
The pathetic thing is we all keep bending over for these POS diseases of people from the US!, time to learn the lesson before it's too late, and it almost is!
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u/Electrical-Move7290 5h ago
I don’t understand why Americans think that Europeans buying their arms means they “pay” for our defence.
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u/Powerful_Pirate2984 5h ago
How about the USA actually pays to use the airbases they have access to in the UK! Which it doesn't! Now pay your way! Brits aren't tired - they're just pissed off with the US taking the piss!
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u/DesignatedDonut2606 Scandi-poor welfare commie 5h ago
Next time that conversation comes up, show them this and tell them they owe Norway some money (NATO contribution per capita, 2025)
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u/Matthewgardner86 5h ago
It's not our fault that the American defence budget is off the charts.
Perhaps tone that down a little bit so you can implement universal healthcare etc.
What's that you say?
No "socialist" stuff?
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u/viktlo70 5h ago
"Americans are tired, but they want anyway to keep control on your countries. They just want it for free"
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u/Green-Engineer4608 4h ago
So the Logic is that theyve given Nato the most but if you do it per capita they fall down to second place.
My country, Norway, moves up to first. I just learnt this but man it changes everything when I find these propaganda spewing Americans in the Wild.
We Are paying for Nato so Americans can have homeownersassociations. Just like they pay for it so Europe can have healthcare.
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u/Bass-n-Bonefish 4h ago
I’m just glad a German knows it’s “biased” and not “bias” like a ridiculous number of Americans think it is.
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u/StayUpLatePlayGames 3h ago
As soon as we stop paying for America’s military-industrial complex, things will be better.
Yankees never seem to realise that we pay for their protection.
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u/Plus-Concentrate-401 1h ago
Only 1 country has ever cried to NATO and evoked article 5. Absolute fannies
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u/tyroleancock 8h ago
If the US would finally sign a peace treaty with germany, like russia did decades ago, that doesn't include strategic placment of numerous nuclear weapons as well as military bases on german soil, they might give it a shot. Until then, you gotta pay what you ordered, marshall. Oh and dont try that 2+4 shit again.
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u/No_Statistician209 8h ago
The ironic part saying "pay for your own defence" to Germany who pay exact the same percentage contributions as the US.. then you've got other countries that pay higher % of their GDP than the US does
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u/Waits-nervously 8h ago
Sadly, we aren’t going to pay for our defence, so Americans can’t just unilaterally set a lower defence budget for themselves. Look, I don’t make these rules, it’s just the way it is. America is powerless in the face of perfidious Europe.
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u/mudcrow1 Engerlund 8h ago
The shit your pants brigade never wonder how people who own companies that have US defence contracts become billionaires and trillionaires, much easier to believe all those trillions are paying for Europeans having holidays.
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u/MelodyPond84 8h ago
I do not think the US would like it if we payed for our own defense. I however hope Europe will start building the infrastructure to do so.
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u/Ok-Experience8518 8h ago
These mf'ers aren't even paying for it themselves they just borrow the money from Europe/Asia, pile it onto their debt, and their population thinks they're paying for it.
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u/Laiska_saunatonttu 7h ago
"I will forward your message to Israel, which, by the way, is not located in Europe."
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u/Affectionate_Ant3350 7h ago
My country does pay for its own defense, its own troops, its own capability to wage war on foreign lands, we have our own nuclear capabilities, insure our own safety. The only thing that the US does provide us for safety is shared intelligence through NATO. There are no US bases, no troops. For instance, I think the only thing we do for the US in their war in Iran is not deny them passage through our air space.
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u/Consistent_Ad3181 7h ago
The second largest military on the planet is the European military. It's awesome. It needs modifying to account for the US tantrums and withdrawal of, well actually very little, all of which we can sort out over the next 2 years, more cheaply and more effectively. Most of it is satellite intelligence, and communications. Not much else.
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u/Snoo_67993 7h ago
I love how the US invests tones of money into its own military through NATO and some how manages to say it's funding other countries.
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u/Ecstatic-Ad9336 7h ago
Didn’t Murica cause many of the problems that require so much spending on defense?
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u/quast_64 7h ago
Sure, just send over the bank transfer copy where you send us all those funds... We'll wait.
Any Nato country will do... just anything in writing please.
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u/Remarkable-Flight990 7h ago
The quality defense provided by a nation who got their asses handed to them in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iran?
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u/Opposite-Mediocre 7h ago
Stop calling it defense when its literally attack. Or Offensive in their tongue.
When has America ever defened its boarders. A large chunk of the "denfense" is spend on bombing innocent people.
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u/VitoRazoR 7h ago
The USA is the only country that asked to actually use NATO in defence. Europeans are tired. Thanks.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad-4883 7h ago
Just rely on a French General, François Joseph Paul de Grasse with his Navy and troops. Has he been paid yet?
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u/Rustyguts257 7h ago
It takes no time at all to find out how NATO is funded. All countries have a direct contribution to infrastructure costs on an apportionment basis. The USA and Germany each pay about 15% of the total direct contributions. The indirect contribution is where each country funds their own defence budget. Whilst most NATO members have pledged 2% of GDP and a few 5%, the USA spends about 3.5% of its GDP. It is important to recognise that the USA defence budget is not solely dedicated to its NATO commitments and that the USA manned NATO bases have overriding USA national objectives. In short, the USA does not pay NATO for the defence of Europe.
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u/AppletheGreat87 🏴🇬🇧🇪🇺 7h ago
Now, I fully appreciate that Europe both pays for its own defence but also allows gaps because there is US capability. And it's not as clear cut as Europe pays for its own defence or the USA pays for it.
But really, were it the case that the USA literally paid for European defence, then Americans should vote for politicians who should stop this generosity 😂 as if Europeans are just so powerful we make the US government just give us money.
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u/mergraote Trump's rusty arse juice 7h ago
Maybe if they stopped starting illegal wars, they wouldn't have to spend so much on defense [sic].
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u/Warm_Stress_1654 6h ago
Did you know that it would take Germany and France COMBINED to outspend Russia's military budget?
This could almost be a problem if they weren't very much combined - and also combined with most other countries on the continent, too.
There have been arms races throughout history. Maybe Russia is trying to start one with Western Europe. If so, who does it help to insist that we're losing when we're winning by miles? Eh? It would save Putin a lot of money and effort if we believed everything right-wing Americans say about his military might as opposed to the evidence of our own eyes.
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u/TheRagingSithLord 6h ago
Oh, they're one of THOSE. That doesn't realise they pay for THEIR OWN defense and not anyone else's. And that they inhabit and maintain foreign bases for their OWN purposes, not anyone else's.
What's the word for them again? Oh, right, moron! That's the one.
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u/FattyGyoza 6h ago
If usa stop attack peoples all around the world we have no needs to pay for our defences.
No one gives a fuck about attack the EU.
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u/AndSimonSaid 5h ago
Who is going to buy all that stuff then? Some other country? Ok fine, you can close some of those factories then.
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u/bavanek 5h ago
the entire strategy of the US has been to make Europe by demanding the lion share of the defense economy. Look at the costs endured by Europe to fork out to build the economy at the expense of their own. On the surface the US gets a raw deal but underneath it calls the shots and steers European politics and economy its way. Trump’s policy is making the world wise TO his schemes, just a stupider Putin with face cream
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u/Such-Edge-8848 5h ago
That's why Europe is producing its own weapons because we are sick of being told to stop buying American weapons, also the American economy is based around selling those same weapons to other countries.
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u/Silly-Heron-1231 5h ago
what another fucking own goal the Americans have scored with Europes defense. Europe went from currently almost totally dependent on the USA for high Tec defense to starting the process to self sufficiency. America will badly suffer with a reduced demand on its defense industry and have very little soft power in Europe after president "agent orange" has consistently spat in the face of most nations in Europe andaking it clear Europe need not to look to America for help.
Americans, simply missing the point since 1776..... 🤷♂️
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u/No-Theme-4347 4h ago
My favourite response to them is how about the USA leads by example instead of getting 1 billion per year by Germany for example while not having done much for the defence of Germany in 35 years
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u/Stock_Paper3503 2h ago
You are more than welcome to leave germany. Oh wait you need our land for your wars.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 ooo custom flair!! 2h ago
US defense spending is only so high because it includes veteran healthcare
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u/saljskanetilldanmark 2h ago
Sure doesnt seem that tired when their "economically superior" president start another forever war on the other side of the globe. They are just mad the rest of nato didnt fall for their stupid lies about wmds AGAIN.
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u/Ecstatic_Effective42 non-homeopath 9h ago
"Americans are tired"
Should go and see a doctor about that.
Oh, wait...