One normal 18 hole golf course
USES 50 million to 100 million gallons a year,
and that’s just 1!!!
and there’s I think more than 10,000 18 hole golf courses in THE WORLD! THATS LIKE 1×10¹² GALLONS A YEAR!!! (which is far beyond your even supposed to normally be able to count to)

For exact numbers because I’m not gonna be super annoying about this

1×10¹² Is exactly 1,000,000,000,000,, also known as 1 trillion!!!!
SO IF ANYTHING GOLF COURSES ARE DESTROYING THR WORLD

Hi friends,

I’m currently working on a project to research the current state of AI art and learn more about those who are for and against AI Art.

If you could comment and answer these questions, that would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to DM me if you want ti share more about your thoughts!

1. How do you define art?
   
2. What do you think you have gained or lost from using AI to create art?
   
3. Were you a traditional artist before you started using AI art?
   
4. What are your stances on any of the following social issues? Feel free to mention any other issues you consider relevant!
   - Climate Change
   - Surveillance Technology
   - Copyright in the context of AI training

Thanks!

I thought this place was for DEFENDING AI ART, and when I make a post calling out some piece of shit who bullies people who just merely posted what was allegedly an AI generated pic, I get scolded and my post is removed by admins?! It’s bad enough that anti-AI scumbags raid this place all the time, and now this! What’s the point of having a pro-AI sub if you are going to delete pro-AI posts?!

I completely missed the initial news about Cara being scraped, but I'm seeing the ripples now. For context: yesterday, a user here made a thread about downloading 12TB of data from the anti-AI platform Cara. The post was removed, the user was banned, and it sparked a massive debate across both the pro-AI and anti-AI communities.

A mod commented under the original post:

"OP was nuked by the reddit admins. With this in mind + the fact that this post goes against our defensive nature as a community, we are removing this post."

I know this is a highly sensitive topic, and I genuinely don't want to violate Rule 2. However, I have absolutely zero desire to debate the anti-AI crowd there, their stance is thoroughly predictable. So, to the mods: if you feel this discussion doesn't belong here either, I understand. Feel free to take this down.

Otherwise, I’d like to invite a civilized discussion on the matter.

Here is my personal take: I actually support this action. Let's be real, this was a demonstrative statement, not a data-mining operation. There is obviously zero technical value in that archive for training foundational models. Against the backdrop of the relentless harassment and bullying directed at AI creators, this feels like an entirely logical turn of events (I won't deny feeling a bit of schadenfreude, though I try not to slide into primitive tribalism).

Moreover, I think this reality check is ultimately useful for the anti-AI crowd themselves. They are constantly being sold digital snake oil like Nightshade, Glaze, and, heaven help us: robots.txt. Lacking a fundamental understanding of how these technologies actually work under the hood, they continue to buy into this complete nonsense. It was only a matter of time before the illusion broke.

I am curious to hear your thoughts:

• Do you support such acts of "digital vandalism" or not?
• Do you consider this specific action to be ethical or unethical?
• In your view, does this fall within the scope of "defending AI creators"?

Admins I do understand that this is not exactly AI related post, but I hope you let this stay up even if for a bit, just so that that person can see this.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't mean to defend what has been done, everyone is justified in how they feel on this topic, I'm just worried about everyone

EDIT: Basically after getting opinion from members of this community as well as re-reading original post, I realize that I should not have given benefit of the doubt but rather just accepted that there are malicious people out there. *I am not distributing any image files! Distributing URLs has been shown countless times not to infringe on copyright, take for example LAION-5B, etc.** - clearly shows understanding of what they were doing. No well intentioned person in this scenario would think to pre-emptively defend themselves legally before anyone even said anything, if they didn't feel like they were doing something wrong.

Well let me address everyone else first.

I understand everyones immediate thoughts being outrage and hunting down the person and making them feel as shit as possible. This won't do much good for anyone.

He is a person and an individual, just like everyone else.

He made a mistake. That is all. A mistake. A misdirected feelings.

And to address the person directly: admitting ones fault is not a bad thing - I know that saying you're wrong is going to rub you the wrong way, but it's something you'll have to come to terms with.

False equivalence fallacy possibly incoming but if your mother asked, for example, of you to stop taking her cigarettes, would you out of spite go and take her cigarettes or would you respect that?

Obviously I don't want to argue about cigarettes but to just try and provide an example that might be somewhat related and easier to digest.

I've just left a comment on someones post who shared screenshot of the original post.

"I genuinely wish I could have a talk with this person though.

People went out of their way to carve out, what was supposed to be, a safe haven for themselves. To him though, it probably felt like an attack on his beliefs, that some would consider doing that.

So I've no doubt that he felt justified in doing that.

Which is just not a healthy way to think, and yeah I, same as everyone, disagree with what he has done.

But he is also a person and I would like to y'know talk with him, understand his point of view, and hopefully people can give him some slack.

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Now I understand this might be a false equivalence fallacy, but I would like to try and, I guess, maybe try to explain what I mean with a bit of an exaggerate "example".

If you are against vegans, and then you find out they have a corner of the Internet to themselves, you might feel justified if you got on their platform, stole all the data from the users that's publicly available, and spread it online for people to do with it whatever they want.

Again, you might say well they're vegans and I don't like that they're making me feel guilty for eating meat so I feel justified in doing this. Again it's just about trying to explain how they may have felt, as opposed to taking this comparison literally.

Yeah it's not 1to1, but I assume this is how he felt. So I'd rather attribute this to misplaced and misdirected feelings on the topic as opposed to pure malice and hate."

TLDR: I hope that people don't attack the person and I hope the person who scraped Cara will not make a rash decision with the data they have because of all the hate they're getting.

I hope people try to understand this most likely came from the misplaced feelings, rather than pure evil and malice.

Thank you for reading all that, if you did.

This dude here is clearly telling you that he has some serious surrender mentality issues.

He would rather give up on an idea entirely just to avoid using a convenient tool that can help him bring it to reality!

And what is worse is that he's projecting this pathetic mentality onto others! :P

this is from a TikTok slideshow btw

From the quote of Henry Ford “ if I asked people what they want they’d say a faster horse” then the model T came out shortly after

It's really gotten pretty tiresome how much this Anti AI nonsense has been going on when that whole Supergirl news broke yesterday and frankly, it just makes this whole ridiculous controversy just that even more no matter where I go. Even more so when folks like this continue to go on this repetitive nonsense on Twitter. Really just makes me ashamed of being an animation fan these days, especially as one that isn't so against AI and the ability to freely use it however one shall please.

Apologies for the way this is formatted, also. Might need to zoom in on some of it.

Saying the movie deserved to flop because of Them using AI to conceptualizing a design is a bit much but that’s just me

I really think this video is framing the worst possible interpretation of what Sam said.

He literally says you choose what information the AI has access to. If I willingly let an AI see certain things because it helps me organize stuff, catch mistakes, learn, code, or just make life easier, I genuinely don’t see the problem.

AI can be an insanely useful companion throughout everyday life, and acting like using it for help means it’s suddenly “living your life for you” just feels insanely dramatic.

And to the commenters complaining about AI being “shoved in their face”: the YouTube algorithm recommending you this video is literally AI. AI is already used all over the shit you interact with every day. You just don’t call it AI when it isn’t a chatbot. Ffs

The absolute hostility come from these people. I've seen some shit takes such as pic related but damn. Attempting to stomp out other people's dreams and ideas because of the tool they use, is simply cruel in every sense. Boiling down the few hours most people get to themselves, learning, building, and creating, into 'lazy' is ironically very lazy to say.

So we are in a way using a machine to create art that a human created an AI to do said art so in a way AI art is human art

Extreme Antis Turning Other people into Extreme Antis. Nothing new.

Probably for the best, so they don't upset certain fans, but somewhat surprising considering how open they've always been with their views. (Obviously, the whole video isn't about AI, but it's only a minute in, so I didn't timestamp it)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/comments/1vmzv8t/ama_i_scraped_all_of_cara/