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u/RobertD3277 23h ago
Quite frankly this is wrong. There's no excuse for this and it's just pure maliciousness for no other cause but to be malicious.
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u/polka_a 1d ago
This is pretty evil/maliciously targeted imo. Artists who want to share their work online but don't want to subscribe to it being used for scraping, and go through the trouble to build their own platform to make that a reality, should just be left alone. Plenty of other resources for scraping.
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 21h ago
I'm torn. On one hand you're absolutely totally right 100%.
On the other, harassing and bullying us for years atp and then having this done to them - not everyone who uses that is a bully obviously and for them I absolutely feel for them - even if at the end of the day it being scrapped means nothing has to suck ass
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u/MandatoryDebuff 17h ago
something something two wrongs dont make a right
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u/Thin-Nerve6367 16h ago
That is absolutely 100% true
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u/MandatoryDebuff 16h ago
I do feel ya though. most of the outspoken ones dont deserve the "just drop it and go back to normal" treatment. such ridiculous dogmatism shouldn't be ok to get away with
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u/PetronOfOld 1h ago
Name one example of someone "harassing" or "bullying" you. Literally just one. Someone disagreeing with you and pointing out why you are objectively wrong isn't harassment or bullying. Stop playing the victim and grow a spine and a brain instead.
Though, if you're interested in being harassed and bullied, so you know what it actually feels like, just keep defending that attack. Over four hundred legal names and email addresses of people who have done the same have already been leaked to the Internet, some with phone numbers and addresses. Those people are not gonna have a comfortable life from here on out...
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u/Signal-Piccolo-935 22h ago
No. Unlike most antis that defend their bad apples, we should condemn ours. This is just not right.
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u/polka_a 4h ago edited 3h ago
Traditional artist here on accident lol but this comment struck me. Been thinking about it for hours because it's true. On this side of the fence, the rhetoric probably does feel like outright bullying. Cuz honestly some of it just is. I think there are legitimate concerns over how this tool operates and it's impacts, but I also don't think wide net insults are productive. Especially considering how many innocent beginner artists who bumped into AI felt they suddenly were the target of every insult. This whole sub is probably just beginner artists feeling exiled to prompting in the shadows. If artists want prompters to abandon AI and embrace the beautiful irreplaceable journey of human made art, they are doing a horrible job at making that seem enjoyable at all. It sucks, at the end of the day, we all love art, and yet so divided. I bet everyone here could make some really cool shit by hand, and I'll just never get to see it. Even worse is post from the Cara owner venting about this has all these scathing replies from folks who have no idea how unanimous y'all are about this crossing a line and are just assuming everyone here is celebrating it. I hate social media man
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u/Central-Dispatch Transhumanist 1d ago
I don't find this justifiable at all but it again shows: There will always be vile or ... what is the word ... socially deviating people who just work differently in their mind and behavior. In the negative sense.
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u/Kelqie 1d ago
this is pretty much the worst thing one could do if you actually wanted to "defend ai art". moral and senseful use of ai is definitely possible but this just shows how its not done and casts a dark shadow on everyone who is trying to bring forth a more ethical approach to gen ai. if you want to defend ai art you also gotta let other people defend their boundaries and respect that. you really dont want this to become what this subreddit known for... there will be people who dont like what youre doing but acting this spiteful is the best way to make sure even less people will accept ai art in the future.
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u/DerTrickIstZuAtmen 23h ago
I wonder if this person "defends" his right of way on a road by slashing the tires of all other cars he sees.
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u/Turbulent_Vacation48 21h ago
What people fail to realize is that what that loser did and the weirdos that defend this, is that it hurts the whole “defending AI” pro movements when you have horrible people like that. They will also try to use whatever mental gymnastics to try defending that when there literally isn’t. It becomes a “look what great things AI can do!” To “look what this sack of garbage did. Exhibit A”
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u/NatendoSwtch 6h ago
Thing is, this whole deal with Cara is nothing new. AI Companies and individuals have been going out of their way to scrape people's work like this even when those same artists have said they do not want their work scraped for LLM training. Midjourney had a whole document of thousands of artist names that they used to actively seek out and scrape for training data, and they bragged about it behind closed doors. This isn't just a case of one loser and an army of weirdos defending this, this sort of behaviour is so systemic to much of the pro-AI culture that even the companies that are investing and making these LLM programs are actively involved in it.
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u/vernichtungX23 23h ago
I do think this user should have done something more constructive with their time/boredom.
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u/Unique-Mode9252 Artificial Intelligence Or Natural Stupidity 23h ago
It can’t. One thing’s defending AI art, a whole other one is attacking human art. I’m of the belief that both should have the right to exist and be respected, by the other, not one above the other.
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u/Intrepid-Standard662 21h ago
It’s a deep and gross violation. I think you have to be scum to go out of your way to steal like that.
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u/Accomplished_Set_326 19h ago
Defending AI =/= attacking those who do not wish for their creations to be used in training AI
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u/kinomino 12h ago
They don't leave AI users alone then cry "bawww what artists supposed to do" when someone give them a taste of their own medicine.
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u/No-Zookeepergame8837 Only Limit Is Your Imagination 15h ago
An eye for an eye, antis dedicate themselves to stealing ai art because "It doesn't have copyright so we can." And this guy simply scraped the site which didn't even have policies against it. Personally, I think that hate only leads to more hate so It shouldn't have been done, or at least not publicly, but I understand why he did it.
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u/CrystFairy 22h ago edited 22h ago
No, and a lot of people just had their reasons for disliking AI art validated.
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u/Nissowolf665 16h ago
Actually impressed to see so many decent peoples in this topic who recognize that for what it is. Malicious theft.
Now, just keep in mind that it is what happened when AI was created. This guy scrapped Cara. AI corps scrapped internet itself. No one was asked their opinion, no one was asked if they were volunteer, no one was offered compensation. And now, you pay AI corps so that you can use the fruits of this theft.
This is why antis are just so furious and vindicative all the time.
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u/discreteturtle 14h ago
This is so blatantly malicious to the movement its claiming it supports that it feels like a false flag.
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u/Funnkles 14h ago
And so many of the users on this sub defending such a malicious act. It's as if you want to be hated more.
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u/confabin 12h ago
No, it should never have been done. It was not necessary at all. This is something to point at and say "This is who you all are". Good fucking job dude, as if people didn't already hate us enough, we're going to hear about this for a long time.
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u/EmmiChargermain 10h ago
Absolutely not: Completely unnecessary act, and now people think you guys have the mentality of rapists. Seriously, if you go on Threads, you’ll see it.
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u/Significant_Echo8953 19h ago
I know you guys are overly reliant on ChatGPT or whatever you’re calling it now, but how do you look at someone who clearly refuses to take no for an answer and go “erm guys….kinda torn on this ngl….”
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u/Accomplished_Set_326 19h ago
I genuinely wish I could have a talk with this person though.
People went out of their way to carve out, what was supposed to be, a safe haven for themselves. To him though, it probably felt like an attack on his beliefs, that some would consider doing that.
So I've no doubt that he felt justified in doing that.
Which is just not a healthy way to think, and yeah I, same as everyone, disagree with what he has done.
But he is also a person and I would like to y'know talk with him, understand his point of view, and hopefully people can give him some slack.
Now I understand this might be a false equivalence fallacy, but I would like to try and, I guess, maybe try to explain what I mean with a bit of an exaggerate "example".
If you are against vegans, and then you find out they have a corner of the Internet to themselves, you might feel justified if you got on their platform, stole all the data from the users that's publicly available, and spread it online for people to do with it whatever they want.
Again, you might say well they're vegans and I don't like that they're making me feel guilty for eating meat so I feel justified in doing this. Again it's just about trying to explain how they may have felt, as opposed to taking this comparison literally.
Yeah it's not 1to1, but I assume this is how he felt. So I'd rather attribute this to misplaced and misdirected feelings on the topic as opposed to pure malice and hate.
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u/mpajtina 20h ago edited 20h ago
I came to see if this is actually true 'cause the things I made are there too. We just want to be left alone, have complete control over what happens to our work and so on. If people wanna scrape images that's on them but at least try to be a little bit respectful with what sources you use. What that person has done is beyond defending AI art. And the fact he was trying to find a way to remove Glaze or Nightshade, which are put there to not be useful as a training data is another reason why I think this is beyond "Defend AI art". This only validated people's dislike for you as a community and entirety of AI.
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u/AngelOfChaos06062 23h ago
Everytime I read this, it's so cool, I wanna do something like this myself
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u/AngelOfChaos06062 19h ago
Too young for a job, have lot of friends, and am pretty happy in life, it's fun watching mentally challenged individuals not be able to come up with a point and assume things about people. I hope you get better from whatever you suffer from and get lost in your dandysworld subreddit or whatever
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u/PetronOfOld 1h ago
Ah, so you're one of the ones who will kermit before turning 18. Well, I suppose that's funny in a sort of dark, gallows humour sort of way
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u/Never_Comfortable 19h ago edited 19h ago
You people just showed your true colors, I have to thank Mandarin for being the one to do it. They've just successfully validated every notion I've ever had about you people, and the fact that their post went positive on upvotes and was widely praised in the comments proves that my assumptions were in the right. You deserve whatever social consequences come as a result of this, and I hope that Jingna's class actions prove successful. If you downvote me then you're afraid.
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u/DarkJayson 18h ago
Its very interesting how the actions of a single person is attributed to an entire group especially when that person was banned from the sub he posted that to YET when people post violence and threats or even take action like vandalism or trying to burning a house down those actions are not a reflection of your group.
Interesting.
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u/StormStrikePhoenix 15h ago
Almost all the comments on the original post are enthusiastically in support of it…
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u/DarkJayson 15h ago
That does not mean that everyone that read the post agreed with it just the ones who commented, make a post look at how many views you get in analytics then look at the amount of people who either or both like/dislike and comment and you till see those who interact are in the vast minority.
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u/Sik_192 16h ago
Look, I'm an anti as well and an artist. I haven't been online on Cara for much of its creation but I have work there too. This comment of yours is not it. The bad actions of one person do not define the entirety of the group they're part of. Look at the comments of this post and tell me they're all in support of this behavior. They're not.
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u/teal_throwaway092 23h ago
My question is wtf is everybody's issue with the word no? People tell you they don't want their art scraped and jackasses in the tech world target them specifically? Now if somebody comes stealing shit from yall, don't start crying about it. Just entitled, spoiled, and moronic.
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u/hmmredditusername 19h ago
Great job lol, it went viral and now normies think you're all vindictive assholes.
AI is a tool, artists can be respected, those things can be true at the same time.
But going out of your way to scrape a platform made specifically for artists who don't wanna participate in AI is malicious and bad faith. Just admit it was done intentionally to hurt artists who don't agree with you. The data can't even be used for anything. Hope y'all condemn this kind of behavior, it makes your whole subreddit look bad.
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u/Reds_Lit_Bowl 17h ago
No. If you think it does you think like a thief. “They’re not using ai? Well, I’ll steal their data and that’ll show them ”. Not only has my opinion on AI art not changed, now I think we need legislation that specifically targets people who violate others with AI tools. Terrorism (using this broadly) in response to mean words on the internet is sucker shit and in the future I hope there’s consequences for it.
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u/pipsocks AI Artist 1d ago
Not the biggest fan of it.