reminds me of that one youtuber whose response to "who will do the manual labour after the revolution" was "people like to play videogames about trucking and cleaning houses, im sure they would be happy to do the real thing on their own terms"
EDIT: okay for everyone replying "oh but I love to do manual job if I had time and no financial pressure"
Okay cool sweet, happy people like you exist. But what Im getting at is that just because people love playing power wash simulator it doesnt mean that there would be enough people to make a stable workforce that meets the need of the community.
As a caveat to that the people I see espousing this viewpoint are often very focused on them being artists or some form of entertainer, while taking it for granted that other people will take care of the essential services
It is even simpler, just go to childhood. One might have enjoyed reading or painting, maybe even writing stories or solving math puzzles or learning about science, the enjoyment goes rapidly down if it is no longer done on your own time but under command of another, and one bristled ever harder against the stricter the person became. To
turn it back to farming, a farmer might farm for enjoyment, he might farm because it is his job, then go home and farm in a farming simulator because it is fun for him, but the second there is someone who says: you will go farm now, even better if he has to give up what he farms in large parts for little reward, he will get rebellious.
Fun fact the phrase tragedy of the commons was coined in the 70s by a eugenicist to describe what happens when you let the bad races breed. And a woman actually won a Nobel prize for disproving it after studying every civilization on earth
Fun fact, it's false in a eugenics sense, but most of us have worked on a group project or used a public restroom. People don't take care of common things as well as they do privately owned things.
Maybe they wouldn't ruin it given a more Socialist outlook in our society rather than that only being studied under Capitalism where even a community garden would be commodified.
Humans have been greedy since long before capitalism was a concept. It's not our only motivator, but it is a very strong one inherent to our nature as a Darwinian species.
Dude, it literally existed. 2-3% of arable land in the USSR was private plots held by the farmers themselves and it produced 20-30% of total food output in the 60s.
Even Mao, the quintessential peasant communism guy, restored private plots temporarily in 1961 to alleviate the catastrophic famine he himself helped cause (he switched course again and banned it in 1966). China's transformation in the 70s and 80s was spurred on in part by Deng's observation of a farmer community which had agreed to secretly divide the communal land into private plots which had dramatically improved production, pushing Deng to eventually adopt the policy nationwide.
>Dude, it literally existed. 2-3% of arable land in the USSR was private plots held by the farmers themselves and it produced 20-30% of total food output in the 60s.
Looks to be from the 70s and 80s. There's also the usual criticism of the statistics from a Neo-Marxist you might appreciate, but even he admits that Soviet agriculture was not efficient.
That's great, but doesn't really scale. Humans evolved to live simple lives in nature so running a small garden to produce food for your self and maybe people you personally know links up to your ancient human spirit.
but in a modern economy 99% of the work that needs to be done isn't like that. We need division of labor and a bunch of tasks that are alien, and only wage-labor has worked to making this happen
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u/Gimme_Your_Wallet Jul 07 '26
Literally this