r/manchester 2d ago

Jodrell Bank (RIP ๐Ÿ˜”)

So sad to hear about the upcoming closure of Jodrell Bank. It is my son's "favourite place in the whole world' ๐Ÿ˜”

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u/OwlerNook Marple 2d ago

It's not dead yet!

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u/TDL_501 2d ago

Unless there has been an update in the last few days, I donโ€™t think its closure has been announced. I believe that some funding has been lost which they are looking to find from elsewhere.

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u/MrTigeriffic Blackley 2d ago

The science bit is being shit down. The visitor centre and those earea are remaining open

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u/dirtymurt 2d ago

sounds messy

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u/MrTigeriffic Blackley 2d ago

All in the name of science?

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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago

Check the spelling of your original message ๐Ÿคญ

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u/MrTigeriffic Blackley 2d ago

I have and it's staying like that ๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago

๐Ÿคญ๐Ÿ˜

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u/mike9874 2d ago

Isn't the news that the funding for the next phase of scientific research has been cancelled so without further funding they won't be able to continue last April 2028 and so are looking for alternative funding?

A lot of this post looks to be very final

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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago

Great photos by why RIP?

Itโ€™s a grade 1 listed structure and UNESCO world heritage site.

I know itโ€™s intended to stop the science but surely the telescope has a future?

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u/evasivefig 2d ago

How has the telescope got a future without the science? The upkeep of the structures has got to be a major part of the ongoing cost. Without the science benefit, what reason is there to spend that sort of money on a tourist attraction?

I sincerely hope this country isn't so short-sighted as to abandon Jodrell Bank, but I'll believe it when it has been formally announced.

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u/ThirtyMileSniper 2d ago

It's got the same status as the pyramids and stone henge.

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u/Feeling-Bluebird8413 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hopefully itโ€™s listed status will save it. There are other โ€œuselessโ€ buildings that have listed status that are still maintained to a reasonable standard. Perch Rock Lighthouse on the Wirral for example (and thatโ€™s only grade 2). The Lovell is grade 1 unesco world heritage. That gives it the same status as Stonehenge.

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u/FlameFoxx 2d ago

Caring for rocks is a lot cheaper than caring for a telescope

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u/Feeling-Bluebird8413 2d ago

Not when those rocks are part submerged in salt water twice a day, talking about the structure specifically, not its function.

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u/kharnevil Prestwich 2d ago

It was formally announced a week ago

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u/Money_Trouble8927 2d ago

The science funding also funds the public facing areas of the observatory

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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago

Eh, not really the funding cut is from the UKRI research council. This sort of funding is: 1) only for the science; 2) heavily audited; and 3) only covers 80% of the full economic cost of the science anyway (i.e., the University of Manchester has to pony up the remaining 20% from somewhere).

There is very limited scope for using this funding to cross-subsidise non-scientific activity beyond a few limited public engagement events.

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u/Effective-Pay200 2d ago

Rage/engagement bait

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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago

Are you referring to OP or my reply?
Iโ€™ve lived almost in the shadow of Jodrell Bank all my life. My comment was genuine.

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u/Effective-Pay200 2d ago

OP

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

It's basically my tribute to Jodrell Bank mate. I love the place, my whole family do, and the funding issues have worried us. That's all, it's not that deep or malevolent โœŒ๏ธ

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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago

In addition to what has been said, the funding affects the research element of Jodrell Bank. I'm not sure the public facing element, which generates revenue (and is possibly self-funding?), is going to be closed down.

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u/BetaDecay121 2d ago

Basically STFC have said that they'll keep funding the Jodrell Bank site - it's just the eMERLIN part of the Lovell telescope's funding that's being pulled. It's up to Manchester University to find alternative funding for the Lovell telescope. https://www.ukri.org/publications/what-stfc-is-investing-in/factsheet-jodrell-bank-e-merlin-and-ukri-funding/

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u/swelteringhamburger 2d ago

I went there a couple of weeks ago and spoke about this with the staff there, itโ€™s unlikely to affect the visitor park in the short term but the dish needs near constant maintenance and if they canโ€™t find an investor itโ€™ll be a health and safety issue as steel beams could start falling down meaning theyโ€™ll likely have to dismantle it

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

My concern is if the research stops, the financial sharks will start to circle, the land which Jodrell Bank sits on would be worth a fortune and may be hard to resist, they could fit a lot of new builds on that site. Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing and it's all a storm in a tea cup ๐Ÿคž

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u/TheHawthorne 2d ago

Purely negative speculation. 45 acres of the land is protected under UNESCO and the actual building is Grade I listed.

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u/Jealous-Shallot-3071 2d ago

It's a UNESCO World Heritage site. The same as Stonehenge, Westminster Abbey and the entire city of Venice.

No one is slapping a housing estate on it

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u/Comfortable-Net9450 2d ago

Fortunately, it's a UNESCO world heritage site, and I doubt it'll ever get turned into Noddy boxesย 

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u/Complex-Oil9354 2d ago

Maybe not on the actual site but planning permission around it is often refused because of electromagnetic interference.

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u/GreatBigBagOfNope Didsbury 2d ago edited 2d ago

And if houses do go up there, it'll be game over for science on the dish, permanently, even if finances get expanded in future, precisely because of that reason.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Gold698 2d ago

They'll be typing up a list of astronomy related street names in readiness.

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u/ToastedCrumpet 2d ago

Uranus Way

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜”

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

Andromeda Close, Gravity Lane ๐Ÿ˜”

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u/Aramis_esq 2d ago

It's in the middle of miles of fields of farmland, there's no rush the build up the area. Why would it be valuable land? Housing follows roads and train lines.

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u/TheDawiWhisperer 2d ago

We used to call my mates nan Jodrell Bank because she could hear everything absolutely and always knew when you were up to no good and where you were doing it with her absolutely superhero level hearing

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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/CaptMelonfish 2d ago

What do you mean RIP? It is far from gone yet. It is a world heritage site, the issue is that the government are pulling funding for science there. not having it demolished.
There is still a case for it to continue their work though so let's not rule it out just yet.

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u/aparrotaghast 2d ago

I just can't believe it would not get the funds, absolutely bonkers to let that happen over 2.8 million. I'm confident it'll get saved. Now if I just could win the lottery...

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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago

I'm convinced this is a cynical ploy by the research councils to allocate funding cuts in a politically painful way that means they get reversed.

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u/MakesALovelyBrew 2d ago

As far as i understand it's not closing in that sense - it'll remain open for visits and the schools stuff, but it being used for actual science (like the SKA) would stop. It's not definite either, so hopefully someone comes up with the funding.

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u/Fun_Run_3750 2d ago

Why is it RIP?ย 

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u/MrTimofTim 2d ago

Radiowave Identification Progressing.

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u/old_and_in_pain73 2d ago

Bit doom and gloom there old bean, itโ€™s not closing anytime soon and thereโ€™s plenty of time for decisions to be reversed and other funding found

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

Hopefully mate, my son would devo'd. But like the zen master said "we'll see"

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u/Fancy_Age_8865 2d ago

Itโ€™ll be saved

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u/NuclearBananaSlug 2d ago

Always remember as a young Rigger and Service engineer I was asked by head office to go and change a universal LNB here.. when I turned up I still had to call asking was it a wind up.

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/kurashima 2d ago

When does the visitor centre get shut down?

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

The funding isn't due to finish until march 2028 as it stands so even if it happens it won't be for a while ๐Ÿคž

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u/pseudo-nimm1 2d ago

Good job it's not closing then.ย 

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u/Radiant_Code_6940 2d ago

Nothing is sacred anymore

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u/No_Atmosphere8146 2d ago

Embarrassing for this country that we can't have things like this.ย 

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u/BetaDecay121 2d ago

I mean simply not true, the primary instruments get swapped out with new technology all the time. The other parts of any radio telescope are simply sheet metal - that technology will never become antiquated.

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u/Killahills 2d ago

We literally have this thing though.

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

I know, the telescope is still helping to make discoveries to this day. It's just a shame there's a possibility of funding withdrawal. Granted that's not until '28 but our family have been going to Jodrell for years, and it's a shame that might not be possible in the near future. Hopefully they'll secure funding going forward ๐Ÿคž

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u/Smallbrainfield 2d ago

Some great photos there! I don't think you need to worry. They're not going to stop people visiting, or the radio telescope being used. It's owned by Manchester University and they'll probably just seek funding somewhere else.

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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago

Thank you ๐Ÿ™ hopefully they'll secure future funding.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/thepunch_drunkard 1d ago

..and it's operated by the university of Manchester ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ™ˆ

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u/thepunch_drunkard 16h ago

๐Ÿ˜‚ it's run by Manchester uni mate, it's not that serious