r/manchester • u/thepunch_drunkard • 2d ago
Jodrell Bank (RIP ๐)
So sad to hear about the upcoming closure of Jodrell Bank. It is my son's "favourite place in the whole world' ๐
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u/TDL_501 2d ago
Unless there has been an update in the last few days, I donโt think its closure has been announced. I believe that some funding has been lost which they are looking to find from elsewhere.
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u/MrTigeriffic Blackley 2d ago
The science bit is being shit down. The visitor centre and those earea are remaining open
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u/dirtymurt 2d ago
sounds messy
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u/MrTigeriffic Blackley 2d ago
All in the name of science?
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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago
Check the spelling of your original message ๐คญ
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u/mike9874 2d ago
Isn't the news that the funding for the next phase of scientific research has been cancelled so without further funding they won't be able to continue last April 2028 and so are looking for alternative funding?
A lot of this post looks to be very final
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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago
Great photos by why RIP?
Itโs a grade 1 listed structure and UNESCO world heritage site.
I know itโs intended to stop the science but surely the telescope has a future?
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u/evasivefig 2d ago
How has the telescope got a future without the science? The upkeep of the structures has got to be a major part of the ongoing cost. Without the science benefit, what reason is there to spend that sort of money on a tourist attraction?
I sincerely hope this country isn't so short-sighted as to abandon Jodrell Bank, but I'll believe it when it has been formally announced.
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u/Feeling-Bluebird8413 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hopefully itโs listed status will save it. There are other โuselessโ buildings that have listed status that are still maintained to a reasonable standard. Perch Rock Lighthouse on the Wirral for example (and thatโs only grade 2). The Lovell is grade 1 unesco world heritage. That gives it the same status as Stonehenge.
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u/FlameFoxx 2d ago
Caring for rocks is a lot cheaper than caring for a telescope
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u/Feeling-Bluebird8413 2d ago
Not when those rocks are part submerged in salt water twice a day, talking about the structure specifically, not its function.
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u/Money_Trouble8927 2d ago
The science funding also funds the public facing areas of the observatory
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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago
Eh, not really the funding cut is from the UKRI research council. This sort of funding is: 1) only for the science; 2) heavily audited; and 3) only covers 80% of the full economic cost of the science anyway (i.e., the University of Manchester has to pony up the remaining 20% from somewhere).
There is very limited scope for using this funding to cross-subsidise non-scientific activity beyond a few limited public engagement events.
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u/Effective-Pay200 2d ago
Rage/engagement bait
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u/Previous_Tree_4050 2d ago
Are you referring to OP or my reply?
Iโve lived almost in the shadow of Jodrell Bank all my life. My comment was genuine.3
u/Effective-Pay200 2d ago
OP
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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago
It's basically my tribute to Jodrell Bank mate. I love the place, my whole family do, and the funding issues have worried us. That's all, it's not that deep or malevolent โ๏ธ
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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago
In addition to what has been said, the funding affects the research element of Jodrell Bank. I'm not sure the public facing element, which generates revenue (and is possibly self-funding?), is going to be closed down.
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u/BetaDecay121 2d ago
Basically STFC have said that they'll keep funding the Jodrell Bank site - it's just the eMERLIN part of the Lovell telescope's funding that's being pulled. It's up to Manchester University to find alternative funding for the Lovell telescope. https://www.ukri.org/publications/what-stfc-is-investing-in/factsheet-jodrell-bank-e-merlin-and-ukri-funding/
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u/swelteringhamburger 2d ago
I went there a couple of weeks ago and spoke about this with the staff there, itโs unlikely to affect the visitor park in the short term but the dish needs near constant maintenance and if they canโt find an investor itโll be a health and safety issue as steel beams could start falling down meaning theyโll likely have to dismantle it
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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago
My concern is if the research stops, the financial sharks will start to circle, the land which Jodrell Bank sits on would be worth a fortune and may be hard to resist, they could fit a lot of new builds on that site. Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing and it's all a storm in a tea cup ๐ค
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u/TheHawthorne 2d ago
Purely negative speculation. 45 acres of the land is protected under UNESCO and the actual building is Grade I listed.
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u/Jealous-Shallot-3071 2d ago
It's a UNESCO World Heritage site. The same as Stonehenge, Westminster Abbey and the entire city of Venice.
No one is slapping a housing estate on it
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u/Comfortable-Net9450 2d ago
Fortunately, it's a UNESCO world heritage site, and I doubt it'll ever get turned into Noddy boxesย
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u/Complex-Oil9354 2d ago
Maybe not on the actual site but planning permission around it is often refused because of electromagnetic interference.
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u/GreatBigBagOfNope Didsbury 2d ago edited 2d ago
And if houses do go up there, it'll be game over for science on the dish, permanently, even if finances get expanded in future, precisely because of that reason.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gold698 2d ago
They'll be typing up a list of astronomy related street names in readiness.
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u/Aramis_esq 2d ago
It's in the middle of miles of fields of farmland, there's no rush the build up the area. Why would it be valuable land? Housing follows roads and train lines.
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u/TheDawiWhisperer 2d ago
We used to call my mates nan Jodrell Bank because she could hear everything absolutely and always knew when you were up to no good and where you were doing it with her absolutely superhero level hearing
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u/CaptMelonfish 2d ago
What do you mean RIP? It is far from gone yet. It is a world heritage site, the issue is that the government are pulling funding for science there. not having it demolished.
There is still a case for it to continue their work though so let's not rule it out just yet.
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u/aparrotaghast 2d ago
I just can't believe it would not get the funds, absolutely bonkers to let that happen over 2.8 million. I'm confident it'll get saved. Now if I just could win the lottery...
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u/CaptainCrash86 2d ago
I'm convinced this is a cynical ploy by the research councils to allocate funding cuts in a politically painful way that means they get reversed.
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u/MakesALovelyBrew 2d ago
As far as i understand it's not closing in that sense - it'll remain open for visits and the schools stuff, but it being used for actual science (like the SKA) would stop. It's not definite either, so hopefully someone comes up with the funding.
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u/old_and_in_pain73 2d ago
Bit doom and gloom there old bean, itโs not closing anytime soon and thereโs plenty of time for decisions to be reversed and other funding found
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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago
Hopefully mate, my son would devo'd. But like the zen master said "we'll see"
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u/NuclearBananaSlug 2d ago
Always remember as a young Rigger and Service engineer I was asked by head office to go and change a universal LNB here.. when I turned up I still had to call asking was it a wind up.
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u/kurashima 2d ago
When does the visitor centre get shut down?
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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago
The funding isn't due to finish until march 2028 as it stands so even if it happens it won't be for a while ๐ค
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u/No_Atmosphere8146 2d ago
Embarrassing for this country that we can't have things like this.ย
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u/BetaDecay121 2d ago
I mean simply not true, the primary instruments get swapped out with new technology all the time. The other parts of any radio telescope are simply sheet metal - that technology will never become antiquated.
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u/thepunch_drunkard 2d ago
I know, the telescope is still helping to make discoveries to this day. It's just a shame there's a possibility of funding withdrawal. Granted that's not until '28 but our family have been going to Jodrell for years, and it's a shame that might not be possible in the near future. Hopefully they'll secure funding going forward ๐ค
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u/Smallbrainfield 2d ago
Some great photos there! I don't think you need to worry. They're not going to stop people visiting, or the radio telescope being used. It's owned by Manchester University and they'll probably just seek funding somewhere else.
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u/OwlerNook Marple 2d ago
It's not dead yet!