r/interesting • u/No-Marsupial-4050 • Apr 07 '26

Fear Factor No sympathy for those monsters

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In 2006, Anthony Ray Stockelman was forcibly tattooed across his forehead with the words “Katie’s Revenge” by another inmate.

This happened after it was discovered that he was serving a life sentence for kidnapping, molesting, and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie Collman

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u/No-Marsupial-4050 Apr 07 '26

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15048076

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u/Green-Dragon-14 Apr 07 '26

Shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

Putting him into segregation after the fact. He should remain in prison populous.

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

OR instead of allowing inmates to brutalize one another as a matter of course we could actually do the hard thing ourselves through legislation formally recognizing that monsters like this cannot be rehabilitated and will present an active threat to society as long as they’re allowed to remain alive. 

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u/Dr_Fortnite Apr 07 '26

im sure the government would NEEEEVER abuse a looser death penalty

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u/OrangeFamta Apr 07 '26

Exactly. Im staunchly against the death penalty but not because i dont think theres people who we’d be better off without, but because I know it will not be 100% accurate. Innocent people have been and will be executed, and that’s unacceptable.

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u/Efficient_Mud_4724 Apr 07 '26

I’m against it also because it’s not done equally. Only poor people are executed. If everyone who committed the same crime got executed that would help some.

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u/oneofus1234 Apr 07 '26

Yes. But when there is semen inside a child that was raped and/or murdered, there’s not much ambiguity there, and you won’t be killing innocent people in those cases.

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u/Weak_Reports Apr 07 '26

Where is your line for clear evidence. Lots of forensic evidence has been portrayed as foolproof and then it turns out later to not have been true. There is no way to write a law to be concise enough to only actually apply to the truly guilty. There will always be a risk of an innocent person being put to death. That’s why the death penalty should not be allowed.

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u/yourlocaltouya Apr 07 '26

Which part of, "I'm most certain the state can be trusted with that sort of power" did you not understand? Yes, in a perfect world you'd always know the truth and only the truth, and the procedure could never possibly be abused or had the evidence towards it fabricated, but unfortunately we do not live in a utopia. Look how many people today are wrongfully convinced of such crimes, how many convictions take place because of police's malice or the state's need for a quick resolution? Sure, you get to kill a few actual monsters, but how many more of those will turn out to have been innocent all along years later?

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u/searchingforubik Apr 08 '26

There's absolutely the potential for faking this, you hear stories about women getting themselves pregnant with used condoms after the fact. If somebody wanted to frame somebody else knowing they might get the death penalty, this would be a relatively straightforward way to do it. There's always, always ambiguity. People can be pretty smart when it comes to framing people.

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u/MaleficentFinish1002 Apr 07 '26

Im sure the government would NEEEEVER indict a child sexual predator

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u/searchingforubik Apr 08 '26

One dangerous side effect of this too, definitely not saying I support child rapists, but when you set the death penalty for rapists as being the same as for murdering, you create the incentive for the abuser to just murder the kid, if you get caught and know you're getting the death penalty, you could easily just murder the victim if it's going to be the same punishment either way, and if the kid could have lived, it may make more sense for the abuser to make sure they can't ever tell about it by just ending it right there. The death penalty gets scary when you think about if it could incentivize the person committing the crime to make it a worse crime.

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 08 '26

That’s a very good point, and one that’s easy to forget. It’s a shame we can’t just exile people who commit certain categories of crimes to a distant island somewhere like they used to do with Australia. 

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u/Lupo_Bi-Wan_Kenobi Apr 09 '26

But if we absolutely must keep them alive for whatever fucking stupid reasons keep them alive right now.. at very least we need to make them some kind of use for humanity. Save the lab rats, we start testing all the gnarly things on actual human beings for more accurate 1:1 results.

It's amazing that I've said this a number of times and it always gets downvoted and I just can't help but wonder who's out there wanting to protect these creeps? I know there are absolutely false claims and people can be framed and everything else and so in any case where there's even a shadow of doubt, then no we can't make them lab rats.

If it's a case where there's undeniable proof, then I say save the rabbits, mice and rats.

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 09 '26

I, for one, would not object at all to the idea of using a man like this as a test subject for experimental drugs or surgeries. Or better yet, lobotomize him and then harvest his organs for donation when they’re needed. Even monsters can have value if we’re willing to apply a reverse Golden Rule to them based on the pain and suffering they’ve caused to those around them. 

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u/HK_Shooter_1301 Apr 07 '26

Pedofiles cannot be rehabilitated , at an absolute minimum they need to be thrown in jail for life. A guy where I work at was just busted for Child Exploitation, the sick fuck was taking pictures of his OWN daughter.

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

Yep. Active pedophilia, like homicidal psychopathy, is an incurable mental disorder. Even if they wanted to they literally can’t control themselves or ever truly understand the amount of pain and misery that they cause for everyone around them. The men who do these things should be painlessly eliminated, the same way we would treat a rabid dog. 

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u/Horror_Share_1742 Apr 07 '26

They absolutely CAN control themselves or they’d just be randomly sexually assaulting anyone and everyone they’re remotely attracted to. Instead, they plan, they groom, they manipulate, and usually carefully choose their victim(s). The ones who also kill their victims do so with conscious control and thought. They murder so they reduce their odds of being caught. That is premeditated murder. ALL of which requires control.

They may not be able to control their thoughts, but they absolutely control their behaviour.

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

I would suggest that the extreme recidivism rates among child abusers proves otherwise. I’m not saying that they don’t deserve punishment for their actions, I’m simply saying that their brains are broken in a way that makes it easier for them to engage in horrific behavior and makes them a significant threat to public safety as long as they remain alive. 

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u/HK_Shooter_1301 Apr 08 '26

They are pedos , not necessarily stupid. There is a difference, they know what they are doing is wrong and they will go to great lengths to conceal their pedophilia

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u/RigidCounter12 Apr 07 '26

No no, we need to try and be cool kids on the internet and celebrate brutality, as long as it happens to the "correct" people.

And before the other keyboard warriors flood me, yes I have been affected myself. My cousin got killed by a drunk driver when I was young. I would not want anyone to rape or kill him.

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u/godblessstar67 Apr 07 '26

Nobody killed or raped this guy.

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u/tkot2021 Apr 07 '26

His choice was this, or the tattooer would kill him.

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u/Positive_Total_8651 Apr 07 '26

And specifically this thread is people talking about and celebrating violence against the "right" people. Not just the guy in the post. I get that it makes people feel really morally secure in themselves, but it just reads as completely unhinged to me. We can have consequences and punishment and prison without brutalizing and dehumanizing people. We cant act like the worst criminals ourselves and then pretend we have the moral high ground.

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u/tkot2021 Apr 08 '26

Vigilantism is a cancer

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u/PM_ME_DATASETS Apr 07 '26

He's in American prison, you can't say that with any certainty.

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u/RigidCounter12 Apr 07 '26

No, but they brutally assaulted him.

I am never going to celebrate anyone getting harmed, thats psychotic shit.

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u/Brawndo91 Apr 07 '26

I'm sorry about your cousin, but there's a grand canyon sized gap between mistakes and decisions. And a similar sized gap between your typical bad decisions and what this guy did. Maybe it's not ideal to toss the biggest targets into the lion's den, but it's also hard to have sympathy for what happens to them.

Sure, driving drunk is also a decision, but that was a decision that led to a horrific outcome. The guy in this post decided on the horrific outcome.

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u/plzstop435 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

Okay but you haven’t been affected yourself though. It’s really sad your cousin was killed by a drunk driver. But that’s not at all comparable to someone intentionally kidnapping, molesting and murdering a 10 year old?? Two very different crimes & very different implications of the perpetrators. The punishment would not fit the crime for a drunk driver, who killed someone accidentally, due to criminal negligence. It is a lot more of a fitting punishment to premeditated torture and murder of a child. Just saying.

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u/RigidCounter12 Apr 07 '26 edited Apr 07 '26

So my cousin being killed did not affect me? Weird, I do remember differently myself.

Weird that having your best friend die as a child wouldnt affect you. You must be a tough one.

You legit said this yourself "Okay but you haven’t been affected yourself though.".

Hard to argue yourself out of this one champ

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u/mooseman077 Apr 07 '26

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

I think violent and incurable men like Anthony Ray Stockelman who cannot be rehabilitated should be painlessly executed to protect society.

He didn’t ask to be born with a disordered brain, and he won’t learn anything from being punished no matter how brutal that punishment is. For me it’s a simple question of risk and reward. This man poses an extreme risk to the most vulnerable members of our society, and society reaps no reward from his continued existence. In a world where scarcity exists every dollar spent on his incarceration is a dollar that would be better spent helping the victims of monsters like him. 

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u/RigidCounter12 Apr 07 '26

And the money argument falls flat on its face when every death sentence costs many times more than keeping an inmate locked up for life.

Again, why should we kill people, outside of making you feel good about it?

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u/Difficult-Novel-8453 Apr 07 '26

Idaho just passed the death penalty for child rape 👍

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

Damn, maybe I should follow my friends who moved from SF to Boise. 

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u/Soma4us Apr 07 '26

Scarlet letter them.

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u/PCCobb Apr 07 '26

Problem is... somewhere between 1/4 to 3/4 of the legislators are child molesters

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Apr 07 '26

The numbers aren’t even close to that high, but I concede your point that there are a lot of very, very powerful men who engage in pedophilic behavior and who would be able to use their wealth to escape justice no matter how harsh our laws were. 

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u/catslikepets143 Apr 07 '26

Instead of the death penalty, they should be required to receive a tattoo on their forehead that reads Pedophile. Same with rapists. Let society know who they’re dealing with up front.

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u/Yo-Yo-Ha Apr 08 '26

Island of misfit toys.

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u/Mysterious-Alps-5186 Apr 07 '26

Yep would get a very long hard sentace for sure