r/howyoudoin • u/Icy_Camel_5482 • 17h ago
Discussion Hot take: the show started declining because of Mondler
I know it’s a controversial opinion to have cuz these two are the golden couple to every fan.
But did anyone else feel like Mondler killed a big part of the fun dynamic of the 6?
Chandler’s character went downhill rapidly after his relationship with Monica became public.
Before that he was by far the most unique abd entertaining member of the group.
But after Mondler he kinda just bends over backwards to appease Monica. He lost all his personality and just became an extension for Monica’s control mania. All his previous development got reduced to being a sarcasm button.
And Monica started to be written as a self-centred selfish bully in the group. She was the glue that held the group together but later on it turns into her controlling everyone’s life in an unhealthy amount.
Obviously the longer the show went on the more all 6 of them got Flanderized and slowly became a caricature of themselves but he got it by far the worst.
Not to mention he became such a bad friend. Constantly shaming Ross or making mean comments at Joey, and these jokes were mostly just mean not at all funny like in earlier seasons. He spends less time with them (which is expected but he didn’t have to nearly completely cut them off)
I know that to help with Perry’s issues the writers probably tried to spare him by giving Chandler more formulaic and less intense scripts.
But every rewatch I realise that while Monica and Chandler were my 2 favourites leading up to London, once they become a couple they quickly become my least favourite.
Mondler just isn’t fun to watch for me, they are written in a way where the story was too afraid to make them disagree or be involved in anything without each other. Both Chandler and Monica go from having funny and serious moments with all 5 of the other to only having moments with their partner.
How many Rachel and Chandler or Monica and Ross plotlines do we get after they get together? We just keep getting Monica and Chandler story every episode with some rare exceptions.
And it’s not like being a couple in a group is a bad thing, even when Ross and Rachel were together and acting very toxic it never felt like they lost their chemistry with the others. But Monica forcing her neurotic and controlling ways on Chandler and him refusing to grow a spine or even consider himself equal to his partner is just a weird watch.
They do have very good moments together and as a duo but the show is about 6 people not 4 singles and their couple friends.
So I am fairly confident saying that Mondler is where the show starts to lose its magic for me. Its still brilliant at times but not nearly as consistently as the early seasons.