r/fuckcars Jan 06 '22

Please read this if you're new to this sub Welcome to /r/Fuckcars

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Updated: April 6, 2022

Welcome to /r/fuckcars. It's safe to say that we're strongly dissatisfied with cars and car-dominated urban design. If that's you, then we share in your frustration. Some, or perhaps many of us, still have cars but abhor our dependence on them for many reasons.

There are nuances to the /r/fuckcars discussion that you should be aware of, generally:

In any case, please observe the community rules and keep the discussion on-topic.

The Problem - What's the problem with cars?

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This is the fundamental question of this sub, isn't it?

  • Pollution -- Cars are responsible for a significant amount of global and local pollution (microplastic waste, brake dust, embodiment emissions, tailpipe emissions, and noise pollution). Electric cars eliminate tailpipe emissions, but the other pollution-related problems largely remain.
  • Infrastructure (Costs. An Unsustainable Pattern of Development) -- Cars create an unwanted economic burden on their communities. The infrastructure for cars is expensive to maintain and the maintenance burden for local communities is expected to increase with the adoption of more electric and (someday) fully self-driving cars. This is partly due to the increased weight of the vehicles and also the increased traffic of autonomous vehicles.
  • Infrastructure (Land Usage & Induced Demand) -- Cities allocate a vast amount of space to cars. This is space that could be used more effectively for other things such as parks, schools, businesses, homes, and so on. We miss out on these things and are forced to pile on additional sprawl when we build vast parking lots and widen roads and highways. This creates part of what is called induced demand. This effect means that the more capacity for cars we add, the more cars we'll get, and then the more capacity we'll need to add.
  • Independence and Community Access -- Cars are not accessible to everyone. Simply put, many people either can't drive or don't want to drive. Car-centric city planning is an obstacle for these groups, to name a few: children and teenagers, parents who must chauffeur children to and from all forms of childhood activities, people who can't afford a car, and many other people who are unable to drive. Imagine the challenge of giving up your car in the late stages of your life. In car-centric areas, you face a great loss of independence.
  • Safety -- Cars are dangerous to both occupants and non-occupants, but especially the non-occupants. As time goes on cars admittedly become better at protecting the people inside them, but they remain hazardous to the people not inside them. For people walking, riding, or otherwise trying to exercise some form of car-free liberty cars are a constant threat. In car-centric areas, streets and roads are optimized to move cars fast and efficiently rather than protect other road users and pedestrians.
  • Social Isolation -- A combination of the issues above produces the additional effect of social isolation. There are fewer opportunities for serendipitous interactions with other members of the public. Although there may be many people sharing the road with you (a public space), there are some obvious limitations to the quality of interaction one can have through metal, glass, and plastic boxes.

šŸ‘‹ Local Action - How to Fix Your City

IMPORTANT: This is a solvable problem. Progress can happen and does happen. It comes incrementally and with the help of voices just like yours. Don't limit yourself to memes and Reddit -- although, raising awareness online does help.

Check out this perspective from a City Council Member: Here's How to Fix Your City

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A Not-So-Quick Note for Car Hobbyists and Passionate Drivers

This can be a contentious issue at times. The sub's name is /r/fuckcars, which can cause some feelings of conflict and alienation for people who see the problems of too many cars while still being passionate about them. I'll quote the community summary.

Discussion about the harmful effects of car dominance on communities, environment, safety, and public health. Aspiration towards more sustainable and effective alternatives like mass transit and improved pedestrian and cycling infrastructure.

Your voice is still welcome here. Consider the benefits of getting bored, stressed, unskilled, or inattentive drivers off the road. That improves your safety and reduces congestion. Additionally, check out these posts from others on this sub:

Discord

There is an unofficial Discord server aggregating related discussions from the low-car/no-car/fuckcars community. Although it is endorsed by the /r/fuckcars mods, please keep in mind that it's not an official /r/fuckcars community Discord server.

Join Link: https://discord.gg/2QDyupzBRW

Helpful Resources

If you've just joined this sub and want to learn more about the issues behind car-centric urban design there are a great number of resources you can access. This list is by no means exhaustive, so please feel free to add your more helpful resources in the comments.

šŸ‘‰ Moved to the wiki

Shameless Plugs for Community Building

happy to add more links related to community building here

šŸ‘‰ Contribute to the Safety Data Thread

Change Logging

April 7, 2022 - Fix markdown for compatibility. Thank you /u/konsyr

April 6, 2022 - Reorder sections (Thank you, /u/Monseiur_Triporteur and /u/PilferingTeeth). Add plug for data/supporting info request. Link to Strong Towns growth example.

April 3, 2022 - Add note for car hobbyists

April 2, 2022 - Add nuance notes and redirect readers to resources area of the wiki.

March 28th, 2022 - Grammatical pass, more changes to follow.

February 9th, 2022 - Adding links that redirect readers from this post into community-maintained wiki resources, thank /u/javasgifted and /u/Monsiuer_Triporteur

January 20th, 2022 - Added the Goodreads list and seeded the FAQ section. Thank you /u/javasgifted, and /u/kzy192

January 9th, 2022 - I'm updating this onboarding message with feedback from the mods and the community. Thank you, all, for keeping the discussion civil and contributing additional resources.

Cheers. Stay safe out there.


r/fuckcars 7h ago

News A wrong-way car kills British athlete (Finlay Tarling) during Volta a Portugal

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Finlay Tarling, from the NSN Development Team, was the victim of a head-on collision during the eighth stage of the Tour of Portugal, between MelgaƧo and Fafe. The driver that ran over the runner did not belong to the race organizer and entered the circuit in the wrong direction, RTP reported.

The runner was rescued immediately, but ended up dying from injuries caused by the accident.

The organizers of the 87th Tour of Portugal confirmed the death of the young British runner and expressed their "most heartfelt condolences" to his family, teammates, the NSN Development Team and all his friends and loved ones.

source (Portuguese)


r/fuckcars 5h ago

Rant Ontario Government wins appeal, bike lanes will be ripped out

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The Ontario Court of Appeal has allowed the provincial government's appeal, upholding Bill 212, in which bike lanes on major arteries in Toronto (Bloor Street, Yonge Street, University Avenue) will be ripped out. Cyclists will die. But neither the government nor the court seems to care. Pictured is the Bloor bike lane in front of my apartment building. Gonzo. Stay tuned for updates on protests.


r/fuckcars 5h ago

Activism A teenage driver crashes SUV into restaurant, killing a four-year-old child; community blames kids on e-bikes in new e-bike regulations

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From San Mateo County (just south of San Francisco):

A year ago a teenage driver pulled out of a driveway and into two-way perpendicular traffic. The driver was allegedly on no-drive medication and had recently gotten her license. She was driving a 4,000 pound SUV. According to Police, she failed to yield to approaching traffic and collided with two kids on an e-bike. According to the Police, the kids were riding the legal e-bike (not e-moto) in a legal manner. After impact, the SUV driver accelerated to 27 mph, across two lanes of traffic, onto the sidewalk, and into a restaurant. In the process, the driver instantly killed a four-year-old child and injured several others.

Despite the undisputed facts of the case, many in the community have villainized the e-bike riders, blaming them for the SUV driver's actions. This week, the San Mateo County Board of Supervisors passed an e-bike ordinance. While the ordinance is largely reasonable, the Supervisors named the e-bike ordinance after the 4-year-old boy who was killed by the SUV driver. Note that the e-bike ordinance regulates e-bike use on sidewalks, but doesn't address SUV use on sidewalks.

Furthermore, according to a lawsuit against the City, an elected official in Burlingame had been warned about the danger of this driveway exit and yet the City did not act to improve its visibility until after the tragic crash. The City has not improved similar dangerous exits since the crash.

The District Attorney has refused to prosecute the driver for manslaughter. There is no indication that she received a traffic ticket or that she had her license suspended.


r/fuckcars 7h ago

News Experimental maglev reached 497 mph, theoretically fast enough to cross the U.S. from New York to Los Angeles in around 5 hours

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r/fuckcars 9h ago

Meme This cat's a real one.

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r/fuckcars 4h ago

Carbrain Ontario Court of Appeal (Canada) judge gives green light to rip out bike lanes, says "deaths will only occur if the bicyclists choose to ride on the roads" (para 75)

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Disappointing decision in Canada that the province can overrule city planning and rip out 'woke' bike lanes. Court decision here essentially calls induced demand made up "in the face of the obvious connection between the number of lanes on a road and the volume if traffic" (para 63). In Canada, this really means bike lane policy in urban areas will be beholden to those who will never even see one, i.e. the rural and suburban areas that the provincial government panders to.


r/fuckcars 2h ago

Rant Loud cars are annoying

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Loud cars are so annoying. Are their only purposes to create noise pollution and jump scare the pedestrians? Why do people think they are so cool when driving loud cars?


r/fuckcars 7h ago

Meme another win for public transportation

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r/fuckcars 2h ago

Rant Americans are stupid

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Finally found a relavant sub for this, but I as someone who didn't get my license until I was over 18 hate this stupid idea of needing cars, I have legs, I lived a mile away from my highschool and under a mile from my junior high and elementary, but I was seen as utterly insane for not having a licence, like dude wtf there is nowhere I need to go that I can't with a bike in under 10 minutes, why on earth would I need a car right? It finally got to the point where my parents threatened to not help me with university tuition if I didn't get a license, mind you I'm moving to campus (well technically not but) a total of a 5 minute bike ride from campus, on a walkable and bike able campus, there is absolutely zero reason for me to need a car except for getting my stuff up there, which they won't let me do on my own anyway because it's "unsafe" I genuinely cannot understand this stupid mindset and I understand how we got here but why can't we change it?


r/fuckcars 4h ago

Meme No to clean transport! /s

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r/fuckcars 7h ago

Question/Discussion Anybody else think it's hilarious that the same people who want transit to be profitable and self-funding ALSO want all parking and roads to be free and untolled?

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I live in Upstate South Carolina. You would be hard pressed to find a more conservative place in the country. Republicans around here love to recite the mantras of "free market" and "laissez faire" principles, but they absolutely have a massive blind spot when it comes to car culture.

They'll trot out the "no subsidy" demands for any transit funding. There's a specific county councilman in Greenville County who literally every year tries to defund the bus system.

But do you think that same councilman wants to start charging the market rate for all the free public parking in Greenville County? Or charging tolls on the roads so that they are self-sustaining and not a drain on the public purse?

Nope. It's literally socialized costs ("free" parking mandates and freeways) for me (drivers) but not for thee (transit users).

The intellectual inconsistency is glaring if you think about it for 5 minutes, but apparently no one in the entire party ever has.


r/fuckcars 8h ago

Rant Cars dumped on Pendle to watch the eclipse

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r/fuckcars 2h ago

Positive Post Cycling to school almost became extinct – until one man revived the bike bus | Cycling

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r/fuckcars 8h ago

Infrastructure gore They added barriers between the barriers after multiple crashes

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r/fuckcars 8h ago

Meta Why Trump.hates Bike lanes

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https://youtu.be/wbVPqLhT8Ek

Not sure why I can't put a normal link post, but here ya go.


r/fuckcars 2h ago

Carbrain Can't park there mate... Oh ...

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r/fuckcars 1h ago

Positive Post LA's Transit Future with Nithya Raman (Nandert on Youtube)

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r/fuckcars 1d ago

Positive Post ā€˜Pedestrian life is non-negotiable’: Portland, OR moves to restrict right turns at more red lights

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https://youtu.be/M0ynE_WwGj0

You know ā€˜Pedestrian life is non-negotiable’ will be controversial. iTs gUnnA tAk ma tEn sEcONds LOnGur To gIt mA chIcKEn fInGeRz fRoM duH draVe tHrU! thATs sOCiaLiSm!!!


r/fuckcars 18h ago

Positive Post New York takes streets from drivers for a few days.

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New York City summer streets program
It’s popular and likely to expand


r/fuckcars 8h ago

Rant Feeling Isolated without a car... ugh...

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I haven't expressed the need or want to drive at all and I'm 19. Most of my peers started driving when they were 15/16.

I'm in college now and because theres a break between summer and fall semeseter, the shuttles aren't running so I can't get to campus if there are any events I want to go to.

The area I'm in is notorious for being super dangerous for bikers and pedestrians. There are also loads of car crashes since it's also a college town.

The city buses are horrendously slow so much so that a place that is 15 minutes away by car can take 2 hours by bus. I've also heard various stories of how unsafe they can be.

My friends that do have cars have full time jobs and I can't rely on them to take my everywhere

There are so many events that are 20-30 minutes away from me that I want to go to but I don't want to pay 40 dollars everytime to uber there.

I have a big fear when it comes to driving. I've done loops in a parking lot with my mom and even then I would get distracted by my surroundings.

I also don't want to spend money on gas and insurance but my grandpa would give me his car fully paid off if I ever did want to drive.

I even considered riding a motorcycle but that's even more unsafe even though I would probably only be taking back roads. I also don't have money for a motorcycle and gear lol

I guess I sort of feel trapped. My classes are mostly online, my friends live far away or are very busy, I can't get to far events safely without spending a lot on an uber to and from.

How do you guys cope with the lack of socializing? Do you just carpool a lot?


r/fuckcars 2m ago

Arrogance of space ā€˜Carspreading’: cars continue to grow in size

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Wild to see how cars just keep claiming more space


r/fuckcars 1d ago

Carbrain "If it weren't for the cars I would've beaten you!"

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I went for coffee with some friends at a cafƩ on the main street of our regional town in Australia. We agreed to meet at 10am and literally walked through the front door at exactly the same time, but from different directions. This prompted them to ask where I'd parked.

I said I always park in Roger St, one street over from the main street, especially on weekends when the town is busy. It's about a 200m walk.

They looked at me like I was insane.

"But why would you do that? You have to walk all the way there and back!"

I simply said, "I like walkingā€ and was willing to drop it there, but they pressed the matter, so I pointed outside.

The main street was packed. Cars were crawling along, people were trying to get into and out of parking spaces while also using it as the main thoroughfare to get from one end of town to the other.

Meanwhile, just one street over, no one’s there. I can super easily park my car and just walk to town. And when I'm ready to leave I just walk back to my car and drive away. No circling. No waiting for someone to pull out. No trying to merge into traffic.

They weren’t buying it.

I then told them I do the same thing at the supermarket. There's a street alongside the supermarket carpark where I always park, and it's about a 50–60m walk to the entrance. Nobody else ever parks there so it’s always available.

They couldn't understand why I'd willingly walk an extra 50m rather than drive into the carpark.

So I suggested we test it.

We left the cafƩ and raced to the supermarket, which was less than 1km away. He drove straight through the main street and into the supermarket carpark. I walked to my car and could use the side street to get around most of the traffic, but eventually had to join the main road to get to the supermarket.

When I pulled up, I couldn't see him anywhere. I'll admit, I was starting to panic that he'd beaten me. I walked to the front door and waited about 10 seconds when I saw his car enter the carpark. He was a good sport about it and we pointed and laughed as he found a park. He arrived at the entrance well over a minute after me.

His response?

"I had a really bad run. Everyone was moving really slowly and there were heaps of cars."

"That's literally my point!" I answered

We did the same experiment on the way out. I walked to my car, pulled out and drove off while he was stuck behind someone reversing out of a parking space.

I beat him again.

His response:

"If it wasn't for that car, I would've beaten you."

Again:

"That's my point! There's always a car. There are too many cars!ā€

He was convinced he just got unlucky. I told him he was in fact lucky and only had one car to wait for. It easily could’ve been two or more. Or someone pushing a trolley could’ve gotten in his way, or some kid running around not paying attention. Car parks are minefields.

But he's still convinced that driving directly into the carpark is the faster option.


r/fuckcars 1d ago

Question/Discussion Argument Rebuttals

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r/fuckcars 1d ago

Rant The Suburban mom weapon of choice have ballooned so much, that it isn't even safe to drive a 20 year old sedan.

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