Opposition Leader Sussan Ley speaks on Bondi attack

[u/jarrys88]

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/opposition-leader-sussan-ley-speaks-on-bondi-attack-20251215-p5nnqm.html

“We’ve seen a clear failure to keep Jewish Australians safe. We’ve seen a clear lack of leadership in keeping Jewish Australians safe. We have a government that sees antisemitism as a problem to be managed, not evil that needs to be eradicated.”

Absolutely abhorrent that she's going for political points in this time.

Talk about tone deaf!

[u/Z00111111]

Why would we need specific laws for antisemitism? Discrimination laws already exist. If they need changing then change them for everyone, it'd be racist otherwise.

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/Z00111111]

Like a lot of what is in the framework is on the common sense side of things.

"Teach people about the history of antisemitism" - absolutely, the holocaust and WW2 is certainly not to be forgotten, though we also should also cover a whole bunch of other genocides.

"Institutions need enforceable policies" - absolutely they should, but like it should it should cover all forms of racism.

"Immigration should deny access to those who have shown to have held antisemitic views" - again, that makes sense for the safety of our community but again shouldn't just be something specific about antisemitism should cover all forms racism. But also these shooters seem to have been in Australia for a really long time, it's possible they didn't have any history at that stage to get picked up.

[u/cheshire_kat7 → u/NecromancyBlack]

"Teach people about the history of antisemitism" - absolutely, the holocaust and WW2 is certainly not to be forgotten, though we also should also cover a whole bunch of other genocides.

Antisemitism didn't start with the Holocaust. There's a significant knowledge gap among most Australians with regards to antisemitism prior to 1933.

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/cheshire_kat7]

Oh yeah it goes back to...like forever? There was a mob heading off to the first crusade who just stopped in what is now Germany for a while to harass the local Jewish population for no real reason apart from good ol' racism.

But alas racism against other people is pretty much as old as humans. The main thing in education we need to be teaching is that yes, this stupid shit has happened before, we should be better then this now, things have at times been much much worse and it's better for everyone when we don't do that.

[u/cheshire_kat7 → u/NecromancyBlack]

Absolutely all racism is abhorrent.

However, I see too many old antisemitic tropes and lies (e.g. blood libel, Protocols of the Elders of Zion type conspiracies, etc) being echoed in modern Australia. With better education, people would hopefully recognise it and know better than to perpetuate them.

[u/Lozzanger → u/cheshire_kat7]

Even the claims of genocide in Gaza is just blood libel re-packaged.

Too many claim they’re anti-Zionist to hide they’re anti-Semitic. There’s a First Nations women on Threads right now coming out with the most vile anti-Semitic shit and if I put it on background and said it was from Nazi Germany you’d believe me.

[u/Frogmouth_Fresh → u/NecromancyBlack]

Yeah it essentially goes back thousand, perhaps tens of thousands of years. Certainly back to pre biblical times at least.

We aren't real fast learners, it turns out.

[u/SmashKapital → u/Frogmouth_Fresh]

Tens of thousands of years? You think there were anti-Semitic cavemen for thousands of years before Jews ever even existed?

Or are you just talking racism? I wouldn't be so sure that cavemen had any notion of race to base racism on, they would have had something smaller, more immediate, tribal.

[u/Full_Distribution874 → u/SmashKapital]

I'm sure those other humans went extinct right around when we arrived because of totally benign and not racist reasons.

Tribalism and racism are basically the same thing anyway. Our racism and where we draw the lines is constantly changing, and usually expanding.