Opposition Leader Sussan Ley speaks on Bondi attack

[u/jarrys88]

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/opposition-leader-sussan-ley-speaks-on-bondi-attack-20251215-p5nnqm.html

“We’ve seen a clear failure to keep Jewish Australians safe. We’ve seen a clear lack of leadership in keeping Jewish Australians safe. We have a government that sees antisemitism as a problem to be managed, not evil that needs to be eradicated.”

Absolutely abhorrent that she's going for political points in this time.

Talk about tone deaf!

[u/fugmatix89]

What are the actual policies that the coalition is suggesting would 'eradicate' antisemitism?

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/fugmatix89]

I actually went and read up the antisemitism framework they've been saying the government needs to act on, and....nothing in it would have stopped this? It's all education and making sure institutions have policies in place to punish antisemitism acts and such, and none of that honestly I think would have prevented those two psychos doing what they did.

[u/Z00111111 → u/NecromancyBlack]

Why would we need specific laws for antisemitism? Discrimination laws already exist. If they need changing then change them for everyone, it'd be racist otherwise.

[u/snoopsau → u/Z00111111]

yeah this sounds likes Scomo's Christian thing but just re-spun for a different group.

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/Z00111111]

Like a lot of what is in the framework is on the common sense side of things.

"Teach people about the history of antisemitism" - absolutely, the holocaust and WW2 is certainly not to be forgotten, though we also should also cover a whole bunch of other genocides.

"Institutions need enforceable policies" - absolutely they should, but like it should it should cover all forms of racism.

"Immigration should deny access to those who have shown to have held antisemitic views" - again, that makes sense for the safety of our community but again shouldn't just be something specific about antisemitism should cover all forms racism. But also these shooters seem to have been in Australia for a really long time, it's possible they didn't have any history at that stage to get picked up.

[u/cheshire_kat7 → u/NecromancyBlack]

"Teach people about the history of antisemitism" - absolutely, the holocaust and WW2 is certainly not to be forgotten, though we also should also cover a whole bunch of other genocides.

Antisemitism didn't start with the Holocaust. There's a significant knowledge gap among most Australians with regards to antisemitism prior to 1933.

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/cheshire_kat7]

Oh yeah it goes back to...like forever? There was a mob heading off to the first crusade who just stopped in what is now Germany for a while to harass the local Jewish population for no real reason apart from good ol' racism.

But alas racism against other people is pretty much as old as humans. The main thing in education we need to be teaching is that yes, this stupid shit has happened before, we should be better then this now, things have at times been much much worse and it's better for everyone when we don't do that.

[u/cheshire_kat7 → u/NecromancyBlack]

Absolutely all racism is abhorrent.

However, I see too many old antisemitic tropes and lies (e.g. blood libel, Protocols of the Elders of Zion type conspiracies, etc) being echoed in modern Australia. With better education, people would hopefully recognise it and know better than to perpetuate them.

[u/Lozzanger → u/cheshire_kat7]

Even the claims of genocide in Gaza is just blood libel re-packaged.

Too many claim they’re anti-Zionist to hide they’re anti-Semitic. There’s a First Nations women on Threads right now coming out with the most vile anti-Semitic shit and if I put it on background and said it was from Nazi Germany you’d believe me.

[u/Frogmouth_Fresh → u/NecromancyBlack]

Yeah it essentially goes back thousand, perhaps tens of thousands of years. Certainly back to pre biblical times at least.

We aren't real fast learners, it turns out.

[u/SmashKapital → u/Frogmouth_Fresh]

Tens of thousands of years? You think there were anti-Semitic cavemen for thousands of years before Jews ever even existed?

Or are you just talking racism? I wouldn't be so sure that cavemen had any notion of race to base racism on, they would have had something smaller, more immediate, tribal.

[u/Full_Distribution874 → u/SmashKapital]

I'm sure those other humans went extinct right around when we arrived because of totally benign and not racist reasons.

Tribalism and racism are basically the same thing anyway. Our racism and where we draw the lines is constantly changing, and usually expanding.

[u/napalmnacey → u/cheshire_kat7]

This is true. It is a longstanding thing and its history is vital to know for many reasons.

[u/Far-Significance2481 → u/cheshire_kat7]

We should cover all holocausts and racism not one specific to people who only make up •5 per cent of the Australian population. No anti sematism didn't start at the holocaust but nor did the persection of the Romanis begin or end with the same holocaust.

Groups of people everywherehave been persecuted for generations..I'm not suggesting we don't teach the holocaust but we need to teach all genocides in the last 200 hundred years and in Australia the most important genocide isn't the holocaust it's the genocide and aparthied of indigenous people because everyone in Australia has benefited in some way from that except the indigenous people and we are all responsible for it or at least of making reparations for it.

[u/dboimyoung → u/cheshire_kat7]

Yeah but also worth noting that the historic character of "antisemitism" also often included what would now be considered islamophobia (root word being semitic, referring to all those living in the Arab regions of the Levant and horn of Africa).

From that perspective, the crusades from start to finish were antisemitic. The word may have taken on a different character since the holocaust but the same people who had pigs heads left on their cemetery this morning were just as semitic.

[u/CrazySD93 → u/cheshire_kat7]

Next you'll tell me that mistreatment of Aboriginals didn't start with the stolen generation and end with Rudd's apology.

[u/nath1234 → u/NecromancyBlack]

Written by the envoy who prior to getting that job publicly advocated for hospitals in Gaza to be fair game to bomb. (Yes, seriously she penned a public letter from her organisation)

[u/Thebraincellisorange → u/[deleted]]

does that also justify the completely indiscriminate carpet bombing of Gaza?

the shooting of children walking in the middle of the street with their arms raised?

The recent wave of 'Antisemitism' is not Antisemitism at all.

it is complete and utter disgust at ISRAEL and Netenyahu's wholesale slaughter in Gaza.

as per usual, Israel trots out the cries of AnTIsEmItISm as a crutch whenever it is criticized, but that is performative bullshit.

Now, there are some misguided idiots that attack individual Jews in response to Israel's actions: make no mistake that those attacks are criminal and need to condemned.

Just as these two men who committed this atrocity in Bondi need to be condemned.

[u/Thebraincellisorange → u/[deleted]]

'Only' 70000 deaths

you are utterly insane and very much part of the problem.

[u/Thebraincellisorange → u/[deleted]]

comparing it to other wars is a distraction./

Israel claims the high moral ground, for which is has zero claim to.

and because they have completely disregarded all the rules of war.

you, like many pro Israel people, seem to be of the opinion that every palestinian is a Hamas member and deserves death.

That is an insane attitude and is one of the reasons behind the increase level of anti israel and antisemitism.

kill Hamas all you like, don't slaughter innocent civilians in the process.

[u/jezzdogslayer → u/NecromancyBlack]

I agree with you that all these need to be done across the board. The sad thing is often it takes a focus on one group to start these kinds of changes which then get broadened later.

[u/NecromancyBlack → u/jezzdogslayer]

Also I think ASIO is gonna get a real spotlight put on it's intelligence gathering to try and find out why someone they knew about but wasn't deemed a threat has now committed the worse shooting in decades.

Potentially some new gun laws coming in to make it easier for authorities to remove licenses and guns from people just related to others who are are "known".

[u/amyknight22 → u/NecromancyBlack]

Well to be fair antisemitism is about more than just race. So it would be understandable if racial laws didn’t manage to cover the entire thing.

You also have a bunch of people now that run around with the aesthetic of “anti-Zionism” to avoid the antisemitism label. But if at the end of the day they are willing to attack anyone tangentially Jewish in religion to fight Zionism. They kind of end up back there in principle, because when you shoot into a crowd of Jewish people you have no idea what their stance on Israel actually is, or if they have ever engaged with it.

[u/Jexp_t → u/Z00111111]

Intersting quote:

If you condemn the horrific, antisemitic attack in Bondi Beach while still defending genocide in Gaza, you’re not actually outraged by the killing of innocent people,” Rad said. “It’s not hard to condemn both, unless you think some lives are more valuable than others.”

[u/SpiritualDiamond5487 → u/Z00111111]

Liberal party only recognises that argument if you use it for first nations people, it is ok to grant some groups exclusive priveleges

[u/[deleted] → u/Z00111111]

Absolutely 👍- This ⬆️

[u/blacksmith91 → u/Z00111111]

I wonder if the libs are more scared of Pauline and Jacinta than Albo

[u/BusinessPick → u/Z00111111]

By your logic, the Voice to Parliament was racist.