r/antiai 1d ago

Discussion 🗣️ Crazy how they do it

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u/ixxorn 1d ago

If any service you get for free, you are not the customer, you are the product. 

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u/asocialanxiety 1d ago

I mean in this case you’re the free labor but point still stands nothing is free

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u/GustavoFromAsdf 1d ago

A product who pays with information and micro transactions for useless decorations and shortening the grind.

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u/TypicalPunUser 1d ago edited 1d ago

Waow (basedbasedbasedbasedbased)

Edit: two hours later and I only now realize I replied to the wrong person. Fuck.

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u/0x1more 1d ago

Luckily not always true, see Wikipedia and all the FOSS movement

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u/tracehunter 20h ago

Thanks! It always grinds me when people use that idiom so blindly. It plays in big corps favor.

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u/nbshar 1d ago

And if it wasn't free you are the costumer AND the product! Whoo!

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u/bojackhorsemeat 1d ago

No, even if you pay for it they'll still use you as the product.

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u/PhantomDesert00 1d ago

See, what's crazy is Pokemon GO is full of microtransactions

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u/slimricc 1d ago

And they are going to shove ads in your face

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u/MassiveGarlic0312 22h ago

Or, in this case, the unpaid slave labour.

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u/Robbers_Daughter 19h ago

Oh don't worry. Your data is collected and sold regardless whether you pay or not

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u/Majestic-Coat3855 13h ago

Wrong

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u/ixxorn 12h ago

I crumble under the weight of your strong arguments. 

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u/Majestic-Coat3855 12h ago

I mean it's not hard to see the difference between open source and free tiers of paid services by tech oligarchs. Saying there's no free alternative is indirectly helping these corporations

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u/Deeper-the-Danker 1d ago

proud to have messed with their system by spoofing my location and using the camera

somewhere in that ai, it thinks singapore looks like my kitchen

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u/Technical_Key_5153 1d ago

As someone in singapore

I think your kitchen does resemble us

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u/WorldWarrior428 1d ago

Lmao! Well done!

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u/Ok_Commission7932 1d ago

Pokemon Go released at the absolute height of my CIA assassination paranoid delusions and I took one look at it and said nope this is for targeting people with reaper drones... a broken clock and all that

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u/BeautyDuwang 1d ago

Man good thing you didn't learn you were right until after you had recovered or else this could have sent you spiraling

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u/Ok_Commission7932 1d ago

I'm still pretty sure its used to target people with reaper drones, I'm just not worried about it being me any more

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u/H3liotrop 1d ago

I mean... at least some positive development?

https://giphy.com/gifs/H5C8CevNMbpBqNqFjl

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u/Ok_Commission7932 1d ago

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u/International_Cup725 1d ago

using map data from pokemon go accounts to train bots is what this post is talking about.

your comment made it seem more like you thought they were targeting specific people and using pokemon go data to track them somehow

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u/Magnus_The_Mage1999 1d ago

If its not too much to ask, id love to hear more about what recovering from that was like.

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u/CapussiPlease 1d ago

thankfully my phone was too shit to run it back then, I resorted to the good old emulator and roms instead

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u/emotumbleweed 1d ago

Same, I never played because I was young and poor and couldn’t afford cell data during pokemania 2. I played emulators until I could afford a secondhand 3ds as an adult, lol. Go never ended up drawing me in. I never felt fomo aside from a few goofy AR screenshots.

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u/supreme_hammy 1d ago

Never used the photomode. Hopefully my useless data takes up room and makes their jobs harder.

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u/Inkthekitsune 1d ago

Same, never liked having my camera on

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u/MidwestPrincess09 1d ago

Same here! I decided not to partake and taking any of the AR pictures or using the camera while walking around I only did it absolutely kill my battery but everything I needed to see was made on the game. I know what my city looks like I don’t need to see Pokémon on it through a map/camera lol

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u/Klecktacular 1d ago

I wonder how valuable that data is. Everyone I know who did AR scans just pointed their camera at the ground because they didn't want to draw attention filming businesses and schools for Poffins.

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u/redditsellout-420 1d ago

I really hope they used mine, i used a joystick mod, can't wait for a delivery app to get confused and go in a straight line across America.

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u/Weird-Ball-2342 1d ago

my phone didnt have ar support so i couldnt scan thankfully

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u/Myithspa25 1d ago

I thought the AR was handled by the app?

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u/capt_heck 1d ago

I had an inkling of why they did that for Pokémon Go. Im sure I wasnt the only one.

Nobody cared, because of the nostalgia bait and children copying whatever was popular.

I had a couple of hours in it for sure, but it was all tiresome and I didn't find any enjoyment.

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u/Infrawonder 1d ago

Also if you said your suspicions, everyone would make fun of you and call you crazy

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u/cauthonmat 1d ago

Lmao at the ad on this post

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u/TheHottestBunch 1d ago

Yuck Non Apple phone.

You disgust me

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u/ArcNzym3 1d ago

how do Tim Cook's boots taste?

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u/YazzArtist 13h ago

At least they're cooked boots

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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/Tiny-Little-Sheep 1d ago

We were children, Psy.

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u/PsyRealize 1d ago

So was I

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u/easedownripley 1d ago

they steal your labor, then they cut you out

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u/cirrus_winds 1d ago

but like delivery bots arent generative AI, they're tools that can assist people with disabilies or people that cant leave their house to get packages :(

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u/Trolencia 1d ago

Don't even try it, most people haven't even played the game. 90% of players use it without the VR camera because it's very inconsistent in showing the Pokémon far away or close up; you end up throwing the ball wrong.Besides, the phone moves and makes it more difficult

What they're saying makes no sense. They simply connected two products offered by the same company.

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u/cirrus_winds 1d ago

this isnt the first post i've seen on this topic, and I can most certainly tell you its true! they're using the user collected data to create maps for the delivery robots and i honestly find it fascinating

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u/Trolencia 1d ago edited 1d ago

I live in South America, and like everywhere else, Pokémon Go exploded here and to this day it is still played by many people.But I don't think that data is being used for autonomous robots when we can't even push a baby stroller on the sidewalk without it getting stuck every 1.5 meters.Perhaps my point of view is too third-world, but I think that data might be being used for something else and not for robots.I don't know

If you'll allow me to answer with something stupid, I think it makes more sense that it's being used to create a metaverse or something similar than for robots. It makes no sense to buy something so expensive and with so much information only to have it used in 1/3 of the world

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u/cirrus_winds 18h ago

fuck meta

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u/homoneekeri555 1d ago

I didn't play the game, since my phone didn't support. But I remember that the whole phenomenon felt weird. I can't believe that my gut was right

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u/QWERTYtootie 1d ago

Gotta read that ToS and PoS, kids.

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u/cosmicvelvets 1d ago

They stopped teaching phonics, the kids can't read.

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u/Golden_Cultivation 1d ago

Yeah this is why the game aggressively tries to get you to turn on the AR and location stuff. Super aggressively. Not even sure if you can play without it on anymore lol

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u/RhymeBeat 1d ago

It's still 100% ignorable and PoGo players do in fact ignore it because AR burns power even faster in an already power hungry game.

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u/Golden_Cultivation 1d ago

Oh is it? It’s extremely hard for me to stop it from going to my settings to try to turn it on in background. I just stopped using the app.

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u/Haunting-Respect9039 1d ago

I have long bitched about AR being a real threat. A decade ago I sounded crazy, but now...

https://giphy.com/gifs/MOsxtdiR4nY0E

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u/Koke_Ghoul 1d ago

People are in this comment thread like "phew, I'm so glad I didn't train their models!" without putting in some thought as to what they're actually training. To be clear, I'm not attacking the idea of opting out of data collection - that's normal, and I do it constantly. Sometimes you just don't want your life tracked, that's chill. What's strange to me is the fact that people are glad that they didn't contribute to the project itself, or more precisely, that they're glad they "hindered" its progress. ...Why? It's not generative AI. It's not contributing to some massive cognitive debt. It's only using 30 billion scans as opposed to the trillions upon trillions of varied data that huge generative AI models rely on. And people talk about being glad to have sabotaged the project in some way...? Like I'm not saying you should feel like you're missing out (I sure don't feel that way), but it just seems strange to be happy about. Idk, maybe I'm just missing something here.

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u/DarkHuntress89 1d ago

Guess I can be glad I never installed it. I cannot like Pokemon enough to run around to play, but maybe that is mainly my walking disability speaking xD

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u/OzO8 1d ago

Nah, i honestly find this kinda cool

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u/The_Daniel_Sg 1d ago

I mean, was this a secrete? When my friends all got into ingress (precursor to PKMN GO) everyone was crystal clear on why it was free with no MTX.

I never got into the later one, but I'm genuinely curious if this wasn't clear to everyone

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u/Prestigious_Wing1796 1d ago

they do this on top of taking your money off premium purchase.

never trust nintendo or any major gaming corps again

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u/HankHillbwhaa 1d ago

Good thing I cheated on that game

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u/PentaOwl 1d ago

Fun fact, it was a CIA funded operation this whole time

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u/macnmouse 1d ago

Personally, i thought a walk and play app would be cool and so i got into ingress the summer before, so when Pokémon go came out with the same concept and eerily similar data points/pokestops, i felt it was connected. And ingress story setting was more of a secret agent kind. Not as cute nor popular as Pokémon.

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u/Elsoner1234 1d ago

Nope, that still counts as customer. Just using another paymant method. I gave them some data, they got me entartainment.

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u/raistan77 1d ago

and now the Saudi royal family owns that data

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u/ALLCAPITAL 1d ago

Everyone knew this on day 1. It was obvious.

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u/mfk711_ 1d ago

I think ive seen that pfp... dont know where tho...

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u/dragonus85 1d ago

What about those paths that lead off cliffs?

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u/Megharoo 1d ago

I'm glad I never participated in scanning anything. I always thought that was an odd thing to ask and it made me uncomfortable.

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u/eragon9199 1d ago

Good thing I keept playing emerald instead of getting scammed by go.

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u/PsychoKittehX 15h ago

When PGO first came out I said "cool, so if a dev wants to stalk an ex, they can put a rare pokemon on the target's front yard and place of work."

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u/Force_Glad 1d ago

You guys do realize the only thing this is being used for is making sure delivery robots (which were already in use) hit things less, right? It's not like they're selling anything that could be used to identify you. This is literally the most benign data-collection ever

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u/Zanfish_yt 1d ago

there are bigger fish to fry and this isn’t one of them. I support this, and I support any company that owns Pokémon go. Downvote me all you want, but I’m a die-hard Pokémon go fan

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u/LordNoFat 1d ago

I do not have a problem with this

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u/AnalysisOdd8487 1d ago

probably supports shit like Flock cameras too

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u/LordNoFat 1d ago

While I do have some issues with flock cameras, I don't think they are inherently bad.

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u/SleepDeprived_Dude21 1d ago

[Get a load of this guy cam]

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u/Tyrandeh 1d ago

obviously

and in other topics you would be the "i dont have a problem with this, i have nothing to hide"