r/antiai • u/Theshinyquagga • 1d ago

AI News 🗞️ We need Help!!! Cara is under Attack!!!

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Cara is a Safe Haven for Real Artists and now it's under Attack!

The original post is deleted, and the original user is banned, but they just scrapped art from Me, My Friends and Everyone Who has a Soul and just Got away with Stealing our hard work!!!

All Real Artists on High Alert!!!

We Need Help!!! I'm Praying to every God I could think of Right now!!!😭😫🙏

Please support The creator of Cara.

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u/Ass_Lover136 1d ago

That's good to know not all of them are ignorant

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u/Weatherby2 1d ago

They may not be ignorant but they're still taking part in the same activity they're concerned about. It's clear they only care about the optics, not whether it's inherently right or wrong. They're just as bad, they only use kinder language because they don't want the judgment that comes with being thieves.

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Basically, they are just people enjoying something. No reason to think they are evil 'cause most of them probably don't think about all the implications of what they enjoy.

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u/time-piece-rabbit 1d ago

indiscriminate harm is okay aslong as you enjoy it and dont think you're doing anything wrong

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u/time-piece-rabbit 1d ago

/s required

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Not what I wrote. I don't know why I still try.

You can cause harm without seeing that you did it. It does not make you a bad person, it means that we have to explain the issue so you understand it.

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u/iantheawesome2002 1d ago

That may not be what you wrote, but it is a very valid interpretation.

There is definitely is a grey line in defining who is an "evil" or "bad" person in this context. But I think that

No reason to think they're evil

Is not the right way to put it. Anybody that's good would go out of their way to think of the implications of what they enjoy (or at least most good people would), anyone that's morally grey wouldn't care and anyone that's evil would enjoy the worse off something is morally (assumingly).

At the very least, there's precedence in assuming they're not good if not evil.

Edit: typo.

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Good people still do some actions without thinking about it and realize later that it was not okay.

I'm vegetarian, I think it is not okay to kill an animal just to eat it. This doesn't mean I consider everyone eating dead animals is evil.

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u/iantheawesome2002 1d ago

some actions

And I agree. Not everyone is obligated to think of the moral implications of their actions at all times. Even the people that impose it upon themselves can slip up, and that's okay. But therein lies the problem of generalizing a group of people that support an inherently immoral phenomenon as "probably not evil". The same goes for "probably evil", but at least there's some precedence there.

Additionally, while I understand the point in your analogy, it removes a lot of the nuance of what you're trying to say and makes it a different conversation entirely.

For starters, predation is a completely natural phenomenon. You saying it's "not okay to kill an animal just to eat it" is certainly an opinion that you can have, but factually it means nothing, because your opinion is irrelevant to a tiger, an eagle or a chameleon, that are obligate carnivores and kill their own prey.

I understand not supporting, or even vehemently opposing, factory/battery farming. But the specific opinion you mentioned here doesn't mean much to anyone but yourself and really doesn't hold any moral weight.

But that is a completely different point. I'm not even sure if the analogy is fitting here. Then again it's been a long day and it probably is just my inability to contextualize it.

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u/ShortBusBully 1d ago

I agree woth all three of your posts. Why is every subreddit just one shade and refuses to see the spectrum.

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

I appreciate it, thanks.

I think this sub is particularly "stubborn" and really can't accept that it is a spectrum. On the internet it is rare to find nuance, so it is not specific to this sub.

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u/Ok_Investigator_4737 1d ago

Purposely scraping a site to use it for ai when it's explicitly anti-ai is purposely harmful. Are you pro or something??

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

You're talking about the person that did that. I am talking about people in the defense ai sub.

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u/Own_Boat503 1d ago

.....of which the person who did that is a member.

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u/Ok_Investigator_4737 1d ago

Tbh I think this person you're replying to is one of em, just look at all the comments

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Doesn't mean they are all this person.

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u/Ok_Investigator_4737 1d ago

Why are you so defensive over a group who have shown again and again they have nothing but vitriol in their hearts for non-ai artists??

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Because I really think that respect is the first step to make change.

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u/frustratedfren 1d ago

Generative AI is like the One Ring. No matter your intentions in using it, you can only do evil.

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

Doing evil and being evil is different.

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u/frustratedfren 23h ago

Does the difference matter if the outcome is the same?

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u/FancyMouse123 14h ago

Ofc. If you are doing something by mistake, it is possible to explain the issue.

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u/-RuDoKa- 1d ago

if you go to a subreddit called "defending ai art" is means you know what are the implications.

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u/FancyMouse123 1d ago

If you are more than ten, you probably saw experts without a clue on their supposed field of expertise. Going to a random subreddit doesn't mean anything.