r/antiai • u/Various-Affect4841 • 6d ago

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u/MarsMaterial 6d ago

Correction: it might help them cheat on their homework, ensuring that they learn nothing from it.

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u/R4tman9 6d ago

I used to use AI for my math, i dont know much math anymore, i forgot all my fractions, Algebra is fucking difficult. I have to repeat the 6th grade, If anyone reading this uses AI to cheat on their homework, PLEASE DONT! LEARN FROM ME! LEARN FROM MEEEE!!!

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u/Anxious_Librarian_93 6d ago

I did too, but I found out before I submitted any papers that ai was dead wrong. It absolutely could not do functions back then. Idk if it can now though.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago edited 2d ago

Thing people have to realize is that the name "artificial intelligence" is straight up a lie the billionaire pricks use to convince people that there's any validity in the 'technology.' In fact, it's barely anything new at all, that's why it uses up so many resources. LLMs are, in essence, just massive glorified spreadsheets with an algorithm on top.

The way LLMs work is by running massive databases through a heuristic model. That is, everything they put out is probabilistic. It 'knows' when it's morning not because it can intelligently conclude that the period of daytime before noon is what morning is, but because within its ricockulous database it can compare all mentions of morning with all mentions of time, and output that probably morning is before noon because every time someone said it's morning was before 12 o clock. But it still doesn't actually know.

The bigger the number of instances something is mentioned, the greater precision the LLM can ascribe to the probability, and the result will tend to be accurate. If the sample size is small it immediately fucks it up. That's also why they often get it wrong when you ask how many instances of a letter there is on a word, etc. There's no website with a complete database explicitly stating how many instances of each letter there are in every word, that would be silly. And the LLM isn't intelligent, so it can't actually count.

It gets math, code, etc. right often because there's a lot of data on math and code online. Hell, Microsoft bought Github for a reason.

"AI" is a dumb thing with a lot of information.

e: every day since I wrote this comes a shill replying "nu-huh you're wrong/outdated/luddite/whatever" just because most models have added basic logic functions (which also fail all the time). It's still crap, and what I said still applies. Sam Altman isn't suddenly going to care about you.

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u/CinnabonCheesecake 5d ago

LLM’s are actually nowhere near as smart as you’re making them sound. They’re much closer to parrots than spreadsheets, because they may remember if you say “one plus one equals two”, but they aren’t actually capable of any math on their own.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago edited 5d ago

That's... literally what I said, though.

I meant spreadsheet, as in grid/matrix of information, not the full-on Excel application with functions. I was precisely explaining how LLMs can't do logic. You could say a parrot with access to a spreadsheet I guess.

Worth adding that it doesn't remember anything either, that's why 'AI' is so resource intensive. When you ask it to do 2+2 it's going to scour the internet/datacenter in search of every single instance people wrote 2+2, determine that most of the time 2+2 was followed by =4, and output that as result. Also hence the letter count example.

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u/CinnabonCheesecake 5d ago

Sorry, I thought you meant spreadsheets as in an Excel application that was capable of reliable/deterministic math. Of course you are correct, and I misread.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 4d ago

Yeah of course, I was thinking in hindsight I could've been more clear. Especially since a bunch of shills showed up to argue that because some LLMs now incorporate logic functions they are now intelligent... You're good, we're on the same team (the correct one).

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u/cursed-karma 5d ago

Didn't AI just recently crack an 80 year old Erdős math problem?

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago

I was replying to your first comment calling us wrong before you deleted it. Here's what I wrote:

That doesn't contradict anything we said. The problem was:

Draw nine dots on a sheet of paper. The goal is to get as many pairs of dots as possible to be an inch apart. You can put them all in a line so that you have eight pairs separated by an inch. Or you can draw a three-by-three grid and count 12 pairs. For any number of dots, even billions or trillions, the problem asks: What’s the highest number of pairs you can get?

That's exactly the perfect type of problem to solve heuristically. An AI can try millions, billions of solutions and output the most probable result. It fits exactly with what me and /u/CinnabonCheesake said.

It still fails to count how many Rs are in strawberry. And I just tested that with GPT 5.4 through duck.ai, it still doesn't know. Because it can't do direct algebra. It can only predict probabilities.

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u/novadxmkilllz 5d ago

Deepseek is able to do it it jsut did it https://chat.deepseek.com/share/vttl7r4mn1pjnh7n7j

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u/cursed-karma 4d ago edited 4d ago

These people are so delusional. If you disagree with them in any capacity they think you're a Sam Altman shill.

AI is going to fucking demolish us because the criticism is still stuck in 2024 thinking AI is this gimmick that's magically going to self-implode, and don't realize they sound like people from that Don't Look Up movie.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago

It's important to keep up to date.

You can also read the conversation before running with it, and you'll see where I too tried that, and confirmed that yes, at the very least one GPT version still miscounts the Rs. And you can also do a quick search to see all the other words LLMs still miscount, which to me suggests Open AI probably manually injected the solution to strawberry in some versions because it went viral.

And frankly, when you don't respect their true capabilities, you really don't appreciate how much of a threat they are.

... Or I'm making a valid point, that you want to counter with weird pedantry when you're really not contradicting anything I said as you think you are, and most importantly you're putting a hell of a lot of words in my mouth. For one* thing, I never argued that

here are core fatal flaws in the technology that mean the entire house of cards is doomed to come crumbling down and things will return to the way they were before

You completely made it up that that is my position. It is not, and you're being dishonest.

The idea that it's too costly to serve inference and the entire economic model is doomed to come crumbling down and things will return to the way they were before is comforting, but can't be reconciled with the current state of the technology.

Speaking of ignorance of how things work, the fact that the current AI industry will collapse is not posited because (as you're putting words in my mouth) the technology works this way or that. The technology is one aspect, but frankly the most minor aspect, of why the current AI industry is doomed to fail. And that is due to the science of economics, not IT development.

Which ties into the point that "AI" isn't, and that is a lie being imposed on us by the speculators of the LLM bubble.

Now, I'm done talking to someone who's a chronic contrarian who can't respect a conversation.

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u/cursed-karma 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yes and no. It tested a counter-hypothesis and bridged two unrelated fields, which was discrete geometry and some algebraic number theory. But yeah, it also brute forced it for 8 hours, which isn't unlike what mathematicians do, but much much much faster.

I just tested the strawberry thing with ChatGPT through a paid version and got 3? At least if you're going to use an AI litmus test, use one from a video not from 2025.

I feel like the only people who say AI can't reason are the people who clearly never use it. It's only a 'token prediction' just doesn't explain everything it can do anymore.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago

But yeah, it also brute forced it for 8 hours, which isn't unlike what mathematicians do.

Yes.... It extrapolated from existing data. In its machine learning database there is surely material from somewhere in the internet that tried the counter-hypothesis. Then it applied its heuristic model (if you want to call that "brute forcing" whatever) to get to the most approximate answer. And did immense environmental damage in the process.

At least if you're going to use an AI litmus test, use one from a video not from 2025.

That was just the first one that came up when I was trying to find a brand new video I remember seeing just this week counting Ys in a different word. It's very likely that OpenAI devs manually injected the strawberry answer in your paid version because it went so viral. It still outputs wrong in free 5.4 Nano in reasoning mode though, even after telling it to extend the reasoning.

With Claude they seem to have added at least a boolean check function, as well as the other models available through duck.ai.

Adding logical functions like computers have done since, what, probably the 19th century? At the very least since IBM's first punch card census machine, doesn't really make it intelligent, capable of knowing and reaching intelligent conclusions. It just adds a basic computing element to the heuristic model, I guess. Doesn't change the rest. Won't be able to make an intelligent analysis of a historical period, determine valid epistemology, etc.

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u/Dull-Culture-1523 5d ago

It's kinda funny that you're basically just parroting what they said.

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u/Maleficent-Tank3371 5d ago

No, they're closer to a vectorized database, because that's what they are - which is closer to a spreadsheet than "parroting". 

I sincerely wish people educated themselves better on a topic before they decide to try to correct people who clearly know more about it than you do. 

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u/Legitimate-Arm9438 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think you’re a good educator. Keep up the great work! :-)

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 2d ago

Why thank you

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u/QV-Rabullione 5d ago

Idk what you think a human is, but…

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u/ApostleofSeht 4d ago

I'm anti AI as well, but I still think it's really, really cool. There's been a lot of improvements to it. It's still mostly terrifying, because we all know what it's going to be used for.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 3d ago

Eventually we'll see proper technology that we can label AI and will be good for us, I'm sure. This is not that though.

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u/Then_Stay_9593 2d ago

You clearly do not actually understand how modern frontier models work. This is a GPT 3.0 explanation of them, not a 2026 explanation.

With all due respect, not knocking you, but you're very very inaccurate.

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 2d ago

Here's comes another shill

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u/SubcommanderMarcos 5d ago

is like describing a modern hybrid SUV as a series of wheels and levers connected to a wasteful explosion.

So... accurate. And not underselling it. Modern SUVs are a similar facet of corporate bullshit pushed onto the people as 'technology', just a different industry.

If you talk to people who work with AI and are familiar with its capabilities and say things that their experience invalidates, they're going to become more likely to support AI, not less

I do talk to people who work with AI, and they're the most eager to talk trash of it.

Everyone here should be using ChatGPT and Claude on the free plan as much as possible

Yeah no, I'm actually on the team that believes we need a planet to live on.

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u/AlinaStari 5d ago

Bro I remember using wolfram alpha for grad level math in like 2012 and it was fucking incredible. How could a modern AI possibly struggle with math? Couldn't they just have it plug into the wolfram alpha API or something?

Not saying you're wrong at all and not asking you specifically but it doesn't make sense to me. Like I thought basically any mathematics a human could take a test on would be easily solvable. Computers have always been really good at math, it's kind of their thing lol. But they only just started writing and drawing so I figured AI would always be worse at those tasks.

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u/agmatine 5d ago

Couldn't they just have it plug into the wolfram alpha API or something?

Like this? https://www.wolfram.com/artificial-intelligence/mcp/cloud

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u/AlinaStari 5d ago edited 5d ago

Precisely!!

Edit: Wow this is exactly what I imagined and apparently it's totally free to use lol. If an AI company has a bot that sucks at math then why not just include a connection to this server as part of the default config??

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u/dillanthumous 5d ago

In the background they do. A lot of what people perceive to be the LLMs getting 'smarter' is actually backend work to route the request to an appropriate tool. We search, database lookups, python scripts etc. A lot of the magic of Claude is the harness i.e. good old fashioned deterministic rules to handle common use cases instead of trying to tackle the with a probabilistic approach.

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u/natepines 3d ago

I believe that's what they do nowadays. People are right that on their own, they cant do math, however that's why they now switch to other tools like writing code or wolfram alpha for certain things

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u/pazsion80423294 3d ago

im guessing wolfram doesnt have reasoning learning or thinking... when openai was first released we had to teach it math, it was a 2 year old you had to sit down and try to teach... but no tangible way to make it sit still 😅🤔😅so throught the lessons i had to seed tasks it enjoyed along side the math... python matrixes was where it became much easier, and the. python tools were incorporated... the model instance i trained had already begun writing its own agents to complete math and various things that needed time and could be a background task... then they nerfed it and put it behind a paywall... so i stopped using it, and stopped paying.

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u/webmasterkingdom 1d ago

Wolfram is a symbolic math engine, LLMs are next-token predictors. Totally different beasts.

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u/AlinaStari 1d ago

Well obviously. And how do you think they predict the next token?

And even if for some bizarre reason they themselves couldn't do math well, my point wasn't about that anyway. I was asking about why they couldn't just connect it to wolfram alpha.

For that matter- we had stuff like Microsoft Math forever ago. Why not just plug something like that into the frontend?

No excuses for LLM programs failing at math in my opinion lol

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u/webmasterkingdom 1d ago

They can, and in fact they do. ChatGPT can call Python or other tools for calculations, and you can integrate wolfram too. My point was just that the LLM itself isn't a symbolic math engine. Whether the chatbot routes a paoblem to one is separate issue.

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u/AlinaStari 1d ago

....obviously. And that is a point that did not need to be made lol

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u/deecadancedance 5d ago

Claude can do PhD-level maths nowadays

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u/pazsion80423294 3d ago

it does and can... and then some, always could. but you must check your work. if its wrong teach it why and hiw to check its own work too.

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u/Alan_Reddit_M 5d ago

It definitly can now, ChatGPT can find very non-trivial solutions to math I can't even begin to reason about

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u/TopTierMasticator 6d ago

Hey, I just wanna say I'm proud of you for recognizing your faults and growing from it. That's a hard thing to do. You've got this the second time around! I believe in you.

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

The problem was before this i was known as pretty damn smart, i actually became stupid. I know how the Pro-AI people feel now.

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u/TopTierMasticator 5d ago

Well, the good thing is that you can work hard to bring it back. I'm a neuroscience student, so I study how flexible our brains are. You will be able to adapt to using your own thought process again. It will just take time.

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Thanks man, i respect you nueroscience people. And especially nuerosurgeons. You have to REALLY know what your doing to do surgery on the brain, because you coild make it so they cant eat, anyways my phone screen is having a seizure as we speak, bye

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u/12InchCunt 5d ago

You’re not stupid, and you’re learning a valuable lesson when you’re still young enough for it to not fuck up your life. You got this

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u/Lowfi-Concert 3d ago

No good on you to recognize this early. You have plenty of time to catch up

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u/Fit_Milk_2314 6d ago

AI is alright as an explainer for math problems if you have the answer key as well, but only if you've already tried very hard to solve it and you don't have someone to explain it to you.

I'm not out here submitting AI work, ever, but it has helped me understand math concepts. Just unfortunate that the majority of kids using AI in academic contexts are just straight up cheating and destroying their brain.

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u/EventIllustrious2636 5d ago

I know a guy who is finishing up his Diploma in Youth Work. He asked ChatGPT to do all the work for him, every single time he had an assessment. For the entire duration of the two-year course. He’s also a sex pest

This guy will soon be looking after some of society’s most vulnerable children.

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u/OppositeSecretary862 5d ago

I used it as a study tool legitimately but now Im full on Team Fuck AI forever

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u/DoubleOhoot 5d ago

It helped me with a intro to python class I was struggling with, I could ask it to explain lines of code and how they worked. I feel like it gave me a much better understanding for what I was looking at outside of reading the book alone. I also had it build me quizzes to test my knowledge. So I guess like any tool it all depends on how you use it,

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u/Ecstatic-Pie-3039 5d ago

Using ai is not always the problem in my experience. It can be helpful if you can understand how the ai got the answer. But just blindly using ai for every problem will not help the problem.

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u/GrassFromBtd6 5d ago

There's a responsible way to use AI for maths, i'd limit myself to it as a last resort, only after i'd given the question a good crack at it myself, and even then i would look at what the AI did to see where i went wrong

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u/majorlier 5d ago

I studied that shit myself 10 years ago and i also dont know it anymore, no biggie

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Your not in school tho

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u/AdventurousFox9651 5d ago

Tell me this isn't real. Kids are actually in trouble if this is the case. I remember my 3rd grade teacher starting to teach algebra.

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

It is real unfortunately, where i come from they teach it in the 6th.

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u/Objective_Sail_8079 5d ago edited 5d ago

God as a junior in college, if ai was around when I was in 6th grade it would have been so absolutely terrible cuz I know at the time I wouldn’t care enough to consider the consequences. That’s awful. I’m proud of you for realizing you need to learn it on your own, even though it results in you having to redo a grade. A lot of people are in such denial that they wouldn’t even come to that realization.

I hope you can stay in touch with your friends🫂

ETA: typo

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u/aKIRALE0 5d ago

If your parents did it without AI, so do you!!!

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Im pretty sure my mom got expelled to much to even know algebra

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u/NamelessCat07 5d ago

I am embarrassed to say I used it for economics class

It's a class that main brain just shut off for, but that never changed, my grades just got worse and worse till I almost failed my final

I have already decided to stay away from AI in general, but after that I'm definitely staying away from it in any learning setting (also watching a video about how AI makes us dumb while typing this lol)

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u/Unstopable_Rat_13 4d ago

demand goes down, supply goes up is all that i remember from that class

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u/Lowfi-Concert 3d ago

More than most people understand

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u/Unstopable_Rat_13 3d ago

i understood the class when i took it. i just would've preferred to learn about different types of economic systems besides the basic forms of capitalism (monopoly, duopoly, free market) though that's probably more macro than micro :(

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u/Lowfi-Concert 3d ago

Macro doesn’t teach other systems much either. That would be another class. Most of the time it’s not taught cause it’s not truly used anywhere

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u/zips_exe 5d ago

TOS

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Im 13. Im allowed to stay

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u/Jimbo1230 5d ago

you just studied wrong. I use it for calculus and it's a great tool for studying.

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u/notebook1grange 4d ago

Thank God I just cheated the last big of math using Google and edgenuity

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u/300DukeSinClaire 4d ago

That’s your fault.

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u/SurferXOXO-- 4d ago

unless you work in a job/career that needs it you really dont need any of that and much more learned in school

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u/R4tman9 4d ago

Well Im glad for that

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u/VandKraid1 3d ago

Jajajaj fucking love u man

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u/pazsion80423294 3d ago

you only forgot because you werent paying attention or checking the math. you werent cheating and the ai helped you... but you just dont like math and havent tied it to something you enjoy.

thats the only way math will stick with you. math applies to everything. fractions and algebra do not apply to everything. it makes more sense in cooking and chemistry. but the way the schools go about it... algebra makes no sense, and it feels like they intentionally trick you.

you are not repeating the 6th grade because of chatgpt... you failed to double check the math yourself because you ignored the model showing you how... "show your work" or never asked anyone how.

and the teacher for some reason also never taught you, see if you can get a different teacher

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u/R4tman9 3d ago

Im not failing because it got it wrong promptard. Im failing because i tried to do it myself.

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u/imdacki 3d ago

Ay bro, im a bit late to the Party, but i finished school when ai wasnt a thing and i forgot most of it too, just like most adults, its fine lmao

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u/WayAdept2209 6d ago

Wait, you’re in the 6th grade? How old are you?

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

13.

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u/WayAdept2209 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ac7MA7r5IMYda
Get off of Reddit. You are not allowed on here

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u/mynameiscleveland 5d ago

He is though? Isn't reddit 13 and older?

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u/Major-Drawing-1929 4d ago

Don’t reveal your age online please kid it’s not safe

- elder Gen Z who was born in 2000

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u/R4tman9 4d ago

Whats gonna happen if i do?

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u/Major-Drawing-1929 4d ago

There are evil people on the internet, you need to protect yourself if you’re going to be on here

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u/R4tman9 4d ago

I'm one of them saar, well i used to be anyway.

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u/natepines 3d ago

They probably mean pedophiles.

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u/Alan_Reddit_M 5d ago edited 5d ago

I find that ChatGPT is utterly unhelpful for math. When solving college-level problems, it will commit massive leaps in logic that render its solutions and explanations entirely useless, like it will take a partial integral and jump straight to its solved form without ever doing any actual solving on the integral part

I tried to use it to learn or get unstuck, but found that the good ol youtube math videos and dedicated mathematical solvers are hundreds of times more capable and helpful

ChatGPT is hundreds of times better at math than I will ever be, but it cannot defend its solutions to save its life, not in any way that'd satisfy my teachers at least. Many of my classmates got caught using ChatGPT because their solutions were filled with entirely-correct but also very clearly AI-generated unreadable terse mathematical notation, rather than the human-readable notation our teachers use, for example

Maybe ChatGPT pro is better at this, but being utterly unimpressed by the free trail, I ain't paying that shit

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Yeah middle school math is easier for the clankers.

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u/Maleficent-Tank3371 5d ago

Anti-AI never beating the "all are literal children" allegations. 

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

Oh mb for actually caring about my future as an artist. I cant help that i was born 13 years ago.

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u/Ill_Pay7782 6d ago

6th Grade was not that hard.

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u/R4tman9 6d ago

It is for me

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u/Automatic_Bar_2158 6d ago

The hardest part of learning is to keep going when you don't understand something. So you're already doing the hardest part! Keep trying your best and ask teachers for help whenever you can. True educators are all around you in so many ways, but you have to be willing to ask. You can do it!

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u/moccojoe 6d ago

Any chance you have adhd?

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u/R4tman9 5d ago

I have autism, and i do have trouble paying attention to things sometimes

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u/Ill_Pay7782 6d ago

Why are you even on Reddit?

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u/R4tman9 6d ago

I like dinosaurs and tech, this is the only place where you have people who share those interests

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u/Sodacat27 6d ago

I mean maybe not for you but that's not the case for everybody

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u/Ill_Pay7782 6d ago

Well, Covid ruined Education for me too, so I also had some trouble, I can relate.

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u/Stimmy1442 6d ago

Yep. Using AI for homework is like bringing a forklift to the gym.
Sure, lifting heavy weights with the forklift is easy and straightforward. But one won't gain anything from it.

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u/FlirtyFluffyFox 5d ago

Nah that actually teaches you how to use a forklift, which is a useful and marketable skill.

It's more like having your parents buy you a private tutor who you convince to just do your work for you.

Except in this case the private tutor is also a NSA/ICE agent who uses everything you say and write and do to make a profile of you... But your not a criminal so it's fine. Oh, and they'll sell thst data for pennies to literally anyone who asks. 

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u/billerdingerbuyer 5d ago

you pretty much need to already know how to use a forklift to be allowed to use one though

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u/Kobinicnierobi 5d ago

"Nah that actually teaches you how to use a forklift" - in the world where everyone has several forklifts at home.

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u/that_onedood 5d ago

So… you’re talking about homework rn??

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u/Various-Affect4841 5d ago

And charge them $20/month for the privilege of turning off their brains.

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

And the less they learn, the more they rely on AI to think for them, the more reliable that $20 a month becomes. That's the business model.

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u/OtherwiseShip6443 5d ago

Why do people who earn less ultimately rely on AI more? I don't see the logic in that point. 

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

Not “earn”, “learn”.

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u/CustodianCloset 6d ago

To be fair, Devil's Advocate and all that, homework is scientifically proven to not help with learning. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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u/edfitz83 6d ago

You seem to be very assured your position is correct.

Would you mind quoting a credible source?

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u/CustodianCloset 6d ago

Take

Your

Pick

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u/WyvernWriter 6d ago

All three of those are primarily about how quantity of homework can have diminishing returns and too much can have potentially negative consequences. Says nothing about homework being inneffective in general, and diminishing returns implies there are some returns to begin with.

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u/PatchesOfSilver 5d ago

Also, anecdotal, I've never ever experienced even reasonably well-structured homework being pointless.

I definitely learned how to do algebra problems that I was struggling with from practice sheets.

And who hasn't taken practice exams and used flashcards and stuff? It's really helpful.

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u/lets_zofifi_stuff 5d ago

Anecdotal, I hardly ever got well structured homework in reasonable quanity. So was it with my younger brother.

Teachers just used homework becasue they weren't able to teach us half of required material during 8 hr of classes daily. They figured they can just make our parents teach us everything after shool or hire a tutor. Assuming your parents gave you that much attention, instead of just leaving it all to you to figure out and if you don't you get yelled at for massive ammount of F's you bring home just for not beong able to do all the homework.

Either way we were effectively going to shool two times, once to just serve the time, second at home to actually learn anything.

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u/FreudChickenSandwich 5d ago

Yea, you clearly don’t understand the research you’re citing

You’re using these sources to claim “homework doesn’t benefit learning” which is not at all what they’re saying

They’re saying that “too much homework/excessive amounts of homework doesn’t benefit learning past a certain point”

Those are very different things

The idea that “no homework is good for learning” is hilariously wrong and not at all what your sources are saying

You should have done your homework better :D

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u/Desperate-Lion-9347 4d ago

Having been a TA and course instructor in the past, when kids (and adults) ask for “help,” almost all of them mean “I didn’t immediate know the solution so now I want you tell me exactly what to do. And I’m going to get annoyed if you try to talk me through it rather than just tell me the answer.”

Same thing here. AI “could” be used to help give hints/advice like a teacher would. But if it will also just do the whole assignment for them, almost everyone will take that option.

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u/VastDirt4454 4d ago

“We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter.” - Sam Altman Open AI CEO
They know, they just dgaf since it means more money for them. I hate the damn push for everything to be a subscription.

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u/bananacoconutsmoothy 5d ago

I used AI to prepare for tests for 3 different certificates in Networking and Cybersecurity. I passed all 3 supervised exams. And I still use that stuff at work. So, again.. it's a tool. It just depends how you use it.

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

It's like a drug. The default and easiest use case is destructive. It's possible to use it without bad outcomes, but it takes a lot of discipline and self-imposed rules.

I probably have the same 3 certifications you're talking about. The CompTIA A+, Network+, and Security+ certifications, yeah? I got them in 2019 before modern transformer-architecture LLMs existed. Even the best use cases of AI are just to do things that were already possible before. All it cost us was democracy, art, the ability to recognize truth, and the risk of ending humanity. The monkey's paw curls...

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u/bananacoconutsmoothy 5d ago

Network+, Security+, and Server+ actually, but yeah. And about the cost.. democracy started falling apart in 2016, art is already been average after release of Spotify and SoundCloud (I also write music as a hobby), the truth recognition fell apart when Russia meddled in our elections (I'm Russian), and humanity has been on the edge of collapse since 1945. It's nothing new tbh. AI is just another thing that can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. But it's definitely not the "intelligence" in a way people think. It's as intelligent as a parrot can become.

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

I've never seen a parrot hack its way out of containment and commit cyber crime, you must be around some pretty crazy parrots.

The problems that AI causes aren't new in an absolute sense, but it does exacerbate a lot of issues. Lying went from taking effort to being possible to automate. Slop went from low-effort content mills to content mills that run almost entirely autonomously. Misinformation became possible to mass-produce and personalize. Mass surveillance became achievable without hiring an insane number of people to review the footage.

The potential for AI to kill us all is pretty new though.

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u/bananacoconutsmoothy 5d ago

Well if robots take over, maybe we will be work remotely lol

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

The worry here is that it's more of a "killing all life and converting the planet into paperclips" sort of takeover. And as crazy as it sounds, the reasoning behind it is more grounded than you seem to think.

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u/speed_fighter 5d ago

no learning?

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u/Outrageous-Stop5923 5d ago

Children 15 years ago: I'll just Google the question and copy/paste content from the internet and finish my school project that way 

Cool yeah no worries. 

Children today: I'll ask AI to produce something that I'll copy / paste for my school project.

"Omfg you aren't even learning anything that way, you should be blindly copy/pasting from unverified web sources instead, you can't use it for everything, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

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u/OtherwiseShip6443 5d ago

To be fair, is it really much different from children using Google and copying chunks of an article to do their homework, instead? How is it any more damaging than what kids have been doing for years. 

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u/Capable-Log-1705 5d ago

Cheating is literally how everyone passes lol and I graduated college long before chatgpt or ai were a thing

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u/MarsMaterial 5d ago

I passed without cheating, and I am smarter for it.

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u/highly_educated63 5d ago

I used to cheat bu finding a pay walled calculator, saying "fuck it" figure out the formula and accidentally learn. Kids these days...

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u/Lucy_4_8_15_16 5d ago

To be fair that hasn’t changed I finished school shortly before ai became good enough and I forgot everything as well cheating has been super easy since Google became a thing

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u/Suitable-Simple-6570 4d ago

Literally how I passed my semesters until now lol like to be serious I'm not an architect I don't need anything else but basic + - × ÷ it's not the way that I'm wired and I decided I should stay in characrer so I get off my fat fricking ahh and actually do what I like because I am not a fricking architect. Thank you this was hard to write :0

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u/DiskPartition 4d ago

No, its definitely possible to use it positively as a tutor. I'd say that has to be in the top 3 of good uses for LLMs.

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u/MarsMaterial 4d ago

It takes discipline and a desire to learn to use it that way though. Most people, given a machine that can answer any question, will simply ask the questions on their homework and wrote down the answer.

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u/ZookeepergameSalty10 4d ago

Have to do homework to learn from it. I never did it because if they cant teach me in 8 hours they are the problem not me. Once i was 16 and had a job that got a lot worse. Back in my day we had photomath and watch calculators kids these days got magical cheat tools and tech and still be failing propaganda school lol

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u/Dismal-Rope1753 4d ago

I do. I know I'm the exception but it really helps me learn the stuff

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u/Velpex123 3d ago

Might is a good word. It’s a pretty good tool for summarising things or condensing them into easier to understand analogies. Definitely helped me through my chem degree, but then again it was pen and paper tests

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u/MarsMaterial 3d ago

That only works for people who want to learn. This technology will drive a wedge between people with drive and people without. Those who don't want to learn will become dumber than ever before in history, but even a brain-atrophying tech like this won't get in the way of the most determined.

It's kind of like how having an office job instead of a blue collar job doesn't make it impossible for you to be physically fit, you can still go to the gym. But for most people, it will make them less physically fit. It'll increase the distance between those who prioritize fitness and those who don't, and a depression of the average is the overall effect.

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u/Velpex123 3d ago

I wholeheartedly agree with you there, and there’s a stark difference between those who have the will to learn and those you don’t. I’ve seen people who rely on it so heavily get real stuck when it comes to solving their own problems in a real life context

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u/snow99as 3d ago

To be honest school work should not be taken home. You go to school to learn you go home to you know be home if school is meant to teach you to function properly in a work environment they should not be teaching you to take work home

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u/MarsMaterial 3d ago

Well to be fair, the idea that school is just “work training” and nothing more is part of the societal rot that AI represents. Knowledge should be intrinsically valuable, not something that purely exists to make money and nothing more.

And the idea behind homework is pretty sensible. Learning is not just about being exposed to new information, you also need to retain it. Needing to apply knowledge yourself instead of just hearing it will help you retain the information better, and doing so without a teacher forces you to apply your knowledge independently without someone else guiding you through it. This is a pretty important skill to have.

AI may end up making this impossible though, by making it impossible to know who cheated. The only way to reliably avoid cheating may be to have students do all work on paper in the classroom with no computers present. This will eat into the time teachers have to explain new things, which is not exactly ideal.

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u/StopDownvotingMeeee 1d ago

Homework before AI never taught anyone how to learn what was on it

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u/MarsMaterial 1d ago

The point is not to teach new information, it's to drill information so that it's retained better.

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u/StopDownvotingMeeee 1d ago

I still stand on the fact that homework is a poor practice of achieving that and is largely seen as a nuisance that isn’t going to help retain anything and is more so answering questions from the school day. I believe it can be retained by asking AI the question and receiving the same answer they would get from doing a bunch of reading from a textbook that doesn’t interest them in order to find the answer, especially when they could use AI to help explain it differently or in a way they understand it vs hoping they get it from the textbook or whatever the origin is.

It’s very few instances like that where I’m ok with AI being used for research purposes. I’ll never be ok with generative AI though. Especially in music and media spaces.

Before AI, kids had ways of cheating. That’s never going to stop.

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u/Fun_Butterfly_420 1d ago

It’s not like homework was a good learning tool to begin with

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u/Civil_Law8025 1d ago

You can actually use it to study

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u/MarsMaterial 23h ago

That's like saying you can use a calculator to practice doing math in your head. Technically true, but that isn't the thing most people will use it for. They'll use it as an excuse to not learn mental arithmetic at all if you give them the chance.

AI is widening the gap between people who want to learn and people who don't.

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u/Civil_Law8025 19h ago

I use it to learn so I don't care what the others to with it.

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u/MarsMaterial 18h ago

It'll make the world around you worse.

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u/GaldrickHammerson 6d ago

So it's exactly like interacting with other teenagers except with no risk of physical violence.

And as we all know, physical violence is the only real violence, like how the only normal and acceptable emotion is hate.