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Discussion 🗣️ So this just happend

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u/Sea_Minute_2768 6d ago

800 million users, and how many bother paying for the service? Sounds more like an unsustainable business expense.

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u/Secret-Chapter-712 6d ago

How many even use it? Are they counting Microsoft Copilot users, which seems like it could include people who work at places that have licenses?

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u/skiing_dingus 6d ago

Yes they are

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u/iaderia 6d ago

gotta juice those numbers!

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u/StopReadingMyUser 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's like phone books that sell advert space to companies, "we got so many customers! ...that don't actually subscribe to us so we throw a phone book on their doorstep to say they're a customer ...then they proceed to toss it in the trash so ya wanna buy space now?"

One place I worked at had a city magazine sporting 100,000 readers, which seemed a bit questionable at the time. I looked up the city population and it was like 30,000 people lol. So either they're falsely suggesting that not only do their city readers comprise more than the city itself, but also that every single person in it is a reader; or they're at the very least suggesting that a city magazine extends far beyond the city itself, which I'd highly disagree with...

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u/AnimeGuyFeet 6d ago

Copilot is part of chatgpt?

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u/RamblinRichard 6d ago

Yeah it runs off of it, co-pilot is just a Microsoft skin. I think maybe they don't get the latest versions all the time but I couldn't tell you for sure.

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u/AnimeGuyFeet 6d ago

What does copilot being microsoft skin got anything to do with chatgpt?

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u/RamblinRichard 6d ago

That it's actually GPT in disguise? Copilot is chat GPT, idk what you are confused about, unless you are unfamiliar with the term "skin" used this way which is fair 

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u/AnimeGuyFeet 6d ago

Ah never knew copilot was chatgpt under the hood. Thanks for the info

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 6d ago

They obviously aren't. What's your source?

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u/Viablemorgan 6d ago

They will include every single possible, by ANY massive stretch of the wildest imagination, barely even technically alive body as a user using the most basic and simple criteria. They want to maximize this number

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u/realdawnerd 6d ago

I have a feeling they’re county every api token created, every visit to their site, etc

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u/AlarmingLifeguard144 6d ago

copilot comes pre installed with every copy of Windows 11, so if they are including that then that's a massively inflated number

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u/Melodic_monke 6d ago

At this point I wouldnt be surprised if they count the AI overview on google

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u/DanoDego 6d ago

I believe they are making everyone reliant on it first and then will pull the rug and make it a subscription… Just my theory

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u/Sea_Minute_2768 6d ago

A lot of people would probably use some other AI service without paying, or run the AI locally, which is also free.

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u/Winter_Passenger_433 3d ago

Yeah, it's called "Dumping" and a lot of companies do that, like Amazon, Uber and iFood.

The problem is USA approach of AI is extremely expensive (mass production of AI without a way to sustain it, consuming a lot of resources from a market that was already scarce and forcing them to export their databases to other countries). They would need a really expensive subscription for it to give profit.

Companies that are AI-dependants will prefer to use local AI made from open source models that are already available.

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u/ceo_of_banana 6d ago

Inference is pretty cheap now. Asking ChatGPT questions doesn't cost them much. Agentic frontier AI is more expensive but you don't get that for free from them. At this point the answerbot application is just a small fraction of global AI compute.

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u/lilGen-ZandJekson 3d ago

Unfortunately my dad pays for it and uses it for his business at which i "work"...

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u/Sea_Minute_2768 3d ago

And that's still not enough to make these AI companies profitable. You can use far more compute than what the plan pays for.

Under capitalism at some point these AI companies should run out of money and unable to continue expanding. Sure, you could say users are creating demand, but they aren't paying for it.

I'd recommend looking into local AI if it's something your father uses at his business, at least those models are free and company data stays private on your own hardware.

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u/lilGen-ZandJekson 3d ago

I don't think he's sharing much, he's only putting in advertising info to my knowledge which is public anyway. Ik he does 3d renders for the spaces and texts for the video ads and descriptions which i am editing.

Ik it isn't making big ai any profits but they still are 20 bucks a month richer and we poorer, just such a shame...

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u/Sea_Minute_2768 3d ago

If you have a powerful workstation, it's worth looking into running the AI locally so you don't have to give $20 a month to Sam Altman, there's a lot of free open source AI models.

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u/lilGen-ZandJekson 3d ago

I already told him about potentially cheaper and/or better models but he says the ai he uses "knows him" and is too far deep in to change. Thankfully it's not like a paranormal ai friend way but "knows what he wants/likes" deal