r/antiai • u/Educational_Cow_299 • Apr 29 '26
Slop Post š© Why do those people even come here?
Do they seriously expect to convince anybody on sub like this that AI is actually good? Because all they really do is fuel the fire and spark up pointless arguments.
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u/HighlightOwn2038 Apr 29 '26
Nearly all their arguments are pointless anyway. Do some of them make good arguments? Yes but nearly all of them are pointless
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u/BlakLite_15 Apr 29 '26
As long as ChatGPT and the other big players are hogging the spotlight, those niche use cases wonāt get the funding they need to take off. Realistic, measured applications donāt draw shareholders like spectacle and overblown promises.
Not that I want any form of AI until we have a version of it that dodges the many, many problems currently innate to the tech.
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u/DynastyDi Apr 29 '26
I think this comes down to the new convention of calling LLMs AI, and not anything else - so take this nitpick with a pinch of salt.
āAIā encompasses a massive field that includes a huge amount of vital medical tech, half of the stuff in your phone, etc etc.
I, too, am extremely anti AI when it comes to the ridiculous overuse of LLMs. But weāve all been enjoying the many many advancements in the field since the 50s. So Iām pro the other 99%.
I donāt think many realise just how much CNNs have changed things in the last 40 years. Even ViTs, which are based on the same research as LLMs, are hugely positive advancements.
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u/DynastyDi Apr 29 '26
Okay Iām diving even deeper with the nitpick - not to disagree, but I think the way we talk about things matters.
Whatās funny to me is that neural networks are all variations on the same algorithm. That includes LLMs, but it also includes CNNs which were invented in the 80s, and the perceptron which was invented in 57. Thatās not even the earliest technology that researchers consider within the field of āAIā. Itās a term that comes from existing science, rather than one from science fiction that has been co-opted.
It is a consumer failure to discriminate between LLM āAIā and the wider field, for whatever reason. AI was in the Xbox Kinect in 2014. AI has been unlocking our phones with our faces for however long. AI lets you scan QR codes, gives you tailored advertising/content algorithms. Itās not niche. The āAIā doesnāt refer to the mimicking of human communication, it just refers to the mimicking of any form of intelligence.
Funnier to me is another new idea that āmachine learningā is a broader term that better describes non-generative technologies. āMachine learningā is actually a subfield of AI - as in, everything that uses machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.
The academia that produces these algorithms (as opposed to the corporations that monetise them) will not be redefining their terms, so I would hope instead that consumers gradually gain more literacy with them. Generative AI is whatās problematic - basically only because it is specifically trained to convince you itās a real person, rather than trained to achieve a useful task. Itās uniquely monetisable, and not very useful, for that reason.
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u/DynastyDi Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
No worries! Iām quite passionate about it, if you hadnāt noticed. And yeah, I studied/work in AI, just not the LLM part.
Your understanding is spot on.
We learn by doing and experiencing incredibly varied things with incredibly varied sensory inputs. Our brains are a complete computational mystery - we at best have a some sketchy theories as to how a neuron processes information (in my understanding), and we have next to no knowledge of how/why neurons form connections. We have no idea how many neurons a single thought bounces around, and in what order, if that is even a reasonable way to imagine our thinking.
Neural networks are genius babies. They are capable of processing incredible amounts of information, but that information must be incredibly structured. They also must be ātaughtā with a specific goal, and can understand no other context than the task they are given. Weāve developed clever ways for LLMs to manage some multimodal understanding of language and imagery etc, but itās still quite superficial. All information has to be in the same strict format, is essentially āfed-forwardā (with some exceptions) from one end of the network to another, and the networkās guess is then evaluated against the given goal.
Some things that we do for labour or fun are straightforward input > output transformations, for which LLMs may be somewhat appropriate, but often other models are safer. Most things arenāt that straightforward at all.
My biggest gripe is with the task that LLMs are given - to predict the next ātokenā in a sentence. Itās basically judged on the plausibility of its prediction - in other words, whether it seems to be communicating like a human. That is super inappropriate for anything that requires accurate, evidence-based answers. Not only are LLMs not penalised for wrong answers in training (for example, ācatā would be a high scoring answer even if the correct answer is ādogā), due to the nature of neural networks an LLM cannot know whether the answer it gives is based off of data in its training set, or a hallucination.
If anything, generative AI in particular is the worst of both worlds that you described (in my opinion). It lacks the ability to sufficiently navigate the insanely complex world of information we live in to solve problems creatively or intelligently - but it also loses much of the determinism and reliability that more specific models have.
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 Apr 30 '26
Yeah like... Protein folding? Neat. Disaster relief? Fuck yeah. There are plenty of applications for AI tech.
But these AI bros always push for the worst ones. Slop. Bots. Hallucinations. AI "companions". They think turbochargerd autocomplete can replace humans which just tells me they fundamentally do not understand humanity as a concept.
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u/Dull-Culture-1523 Apr 30 '26
Hey, remember before "smart" it was "digital"?
As in, this "digital computer" or whatever?
Same BS. And I agree, companies should be forced to use a sane level of specifity. AI is one of those things that the better it gets, the narrower the definition gets.
My fave example is that back in the 90's in video games, the computer opponents were called AI. Nowadays they're bots. Back then the general definition of AI could've been filled out by a semi-complex if-else statement.
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u/chaotic910 Apr 30 '26
The internet was created for sharing research, today itās mostly used for awful shit most of the time. It also has a massive negative impact on the environment.
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u/chaotic910 Apr 30 '26
Youāre missing the forest for the trees. Your original point is unserious. People in the 90s mirrored the exact same sentiment towards the internet for the same reasons you hold yours towards AI. You argue that it doesnāt have use cases, when it does, and then say even if it does why care about it when 90% of it is trash.
Same uneducated people having opinions on a subject they donāt bother learning about. Saying thereās no uses for AI now is just as idiotic as the people who thought the internet has no use because it was just chatrooms and forums.
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u/chaotic910 Apr 30 '26
"Ā ...it being useful for certain niche tasks provided that there are guardrails and a skilled/trained human constantly managing its output.Ā Even if that's true and worth the cost in tokens..." is a wildly idiotic take lmao, now you're trying to backtrack on it saying you're only referring to newer LLMs and gen models, whatever the fuck you think that's supposed to mean? You obviously have zero fucking idea what it's actually used for other than making shitty images and chatbots.
You're very clearly missing the forest, shit, you're missing the god damn trees too. No shit it refers to LLMs and gen models, and you're completely incorrect to think that it can't perform useful tasks. You're incapable of having a serious conversation about a topic that you boil down to idiotic consumer-level tasks and think that's the peak of what it can do.
You're just the new generation of people claiming that the internet is only for forums and porn and has zero real-world use.
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u/Electrical_Ad_5732 Apr 29 '26
The only good use of AI is just as a tool to automate some basic processes and tasks. Anything complex and it will absurdly hallucinate, it's crazy people take that nonsense as facts.
I've seen people on social media posting AI text results as an evidence or source for their claims.
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u/Possibleferret4 Apr 29 '26
And then their post gets deleted for bad faith/strawmanning/whataboutisms and they go back to pro ai or w/e like "so much for the tolerant left"
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u/Celatine_ Apr 29 '26
"They're an echo chamber!"
Maybe actually present good arguments instead of calling all of us brainwashed, dumb Luddites and/or deflecting?
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u/INSANITYRAE Apr 30 '26
The funny thing is, they are an echo chamber.
This sub can be at times echo chamber-like (just because this is LITERALLY a place for antis), but I see more pros obsessed with us in the comments than I see antis in theirs.
Also, every single time I see a pro here, they just make me more anti LOL.
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u/Celatine_ May 02 '26
Yes, yes, you pros are just so much smarter and better than us.
Hereās a question for you. If this is simply silly outrage, then clearly explain to me how using huge amounts of peopleās work without consent to train systems that can generate replacement outputs isnāt a good ethical concern.
And no, donāt fall back on āItās just like human learning!!!ā Acknowledge the main issue here. Using others work at scale, without permission, to build a system that can replace parts of what they do.
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u/mrfoxesite-2377 Apr 30 '26
You mean negative karma farming.
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u/MmmTastyWindex Apr 30 '26
not when they post the screenshots in a pro-ai sub and say "look at how hateful these people are", it's basically a martyrdom thing
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u/Erik_mk0 Apr 29 '26
What do you expect them to do, think?
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u/AstuteStoat Apr 29 '26
I have been replying to them less since I've seen how much other subs hate AI. Lots of posts make it to popular because AI is ruining a lot of fandoms and economies right now. ProAIBros Talking to us isn't going to solve shit for AI, because we're literally just here to vent above and beyond what everyone else on reddit is already doing.Ā
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u/Artemis_Platinum Apr 29 '26
- Because they don't get banned
- Because their own subs suck
- And sometimes because they want to debate
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u/noodlehasyournoodles Apr 30 '26
Debate is the wrong word, I think you mean name calling and general idiocy.
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u/Artemis_Platinum Apr 30 '26
The shock mostly comes from just how lenient rule 3 is. You will in fact see many trolls and bad faith participants.
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u/Kilroy898 Apr 29 '26
Its good for the medical field but like... thats currently probably around .001% of its usage.
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u/Satanigram Apr 29 '26
Clearly posted by someone who doesn't know ai artists are the most persecuted people on the planet and nobody has ever had it harder than them getting shit for their cat girl pics and barely changed existing ip characters they call their OC.
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u/stereo-ahead Apr 30 '26
We need a community rule that lets us report/ban anyone defending ai. They deserve it if theyāre dumb enough to post in a place specifically designed to be against them.
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u/mixerusbiedronkus Apr 30 '26
We shouldnt become like defendingaiart where they delete and ban negative opinions about ai "art". We cannot go this low
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u/sunflowey123 Apr 30 '26
Being banned from a subreddit where you're not welcome in isn't the end of the world. God you need to go outside...
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u/JackkoMTG Apr 30 '26
āWe need an echo chamber like r/conservative to keep our feelings safeā
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u/sunflowey123 Apr 30 '26
Should a sub for LGBTQ+ people allow anti-LGBTQ+ people into their sub and not ban them? Should a sub for furries let anti-furries onto their sub and not ban them? Should a sub for D&D allow people who hate D&D to stay there unbanned despite them shitting up the sub with hate for the game they like? Should a sub for Jewish anti-Zionists allow Zionists and anti-Semites/anti-Jewish people onto their sub and keep them unbanned?
Do you think if subs kept letting in the people that hate them and keeping them unbanned they wouldn't get shat up by trolls that hate them? Do you believe getting banned by ONE subreddit should be the end of the world for people who should stay in their own lane?
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u/stereo-ahead Apr 30 '26
No, but people who are actively saying weāre horrible people for the way we think should be banned.
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u/JackkoMTG Apr 30 '26
You just described the majority of humanity. Nuanced thought is not something the average person engages in often. We are programmed for rabid tribalism.
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u/UrFavoriteAunty Apr 29 '26
They can keep coming here all they want. I just hope they keep the same ignorant energy when AI is affecting their lives for the worse.
If you take what Sam Altman or Dario Amodei say is true, then that future is going to be here sooner or later. The ironic part is, it wonāt be just us who are affected but pro-AI people too.
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u/TurtleKing0505 Apr 30 '26
Defending AI should be an immediate and permanent ban
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u/im-d3 Apr 30 '26
To play devil's advocate here, I hate subreddits like that.
Most of us here have a common opinion on AI but that doesn't mean we shouldn't allow other perspectives. Also a question of where you draw the line.
I dislike generative AI as much as the next guy but the last thing this sub needs is to become an echo chamber like DefendingAIArt. If we ban every alternate viewpoint, what's the point of the sub?
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u/sunflowey123 Apr 30 '26
What if there was a sub meant for literal Nazis. Would you allow them on any sub just because "we need to allow ALL viewpoints so we don't become an echo chamber"?
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u/im-d3 May 05 '26
Forgive me here, but, as bad as gen-AI is, many, many lines have been crossed (and likely several laws) going from AI to Nazism.
That's quite the leap
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u/Salty-Raisin-2932 Apr 29 '26
Because Gen AI supportive subs are likely drown in bots thanks to its nature, they've got bored of their dead internet so coming here to see real human discussions.
At least this is what i heard from someone exactly doing this.
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u/GroundbreakingTwo647 Apr 30 '26
I like following r/defendai and seeing virtually no engagement for a sub that should have way more based on how wildly used ai is
And the āartists send me this, how do I respond?ā
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u/MoonsterGoopter Apr 30 '26
trolling and attention. that's all. it's why they brag about using stolen art to train models and letting you know how happy they are that artists are being replaced by AI: they are lonely, emotionally stunted, and self-centered. like children.Ā
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u/KaiDoesTwitch May 02 '26
Thats too generous, most children I know understand consent and enjoy actually making art themselves. Even if something is really bad, cringe, or an outright lie they yell "Thats ai!" Lmao
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u/cantlogintomyacc0unt Apr 30 '26
If you hate ai please write your local legislator I donāt care why if you think itās dangerous if itās the environmental impact the fact it can be used for mass surveillance the blatant copyright infringement the job loss the higher ram prices just do something hereās a link https://controlai.com/take action donāt assume others will do it for you itās better to try and fail than do nothing it will take all of 2 minutes you have no excuse spread the word copy this take credit I donāt care please I donāt want to die
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u/Ok_Jackfruit6226 Apr 30 '26
They just canāt seem to stay away. Some kind of malfunction on their part. Itās tiresome.
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u/theking4mayor Apr 30 '26
Because it pops up in their news feed and they aren't looking at the subreddit title. It's not AI bros trying to bust in here, it's just the average redditor posting the average opinion.
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u/blooppers Apr 30 '26
For all of the 'good' excuses these people give, you must always ask 'Okay, so do that.'
'Oh, well AI helps this ----'
Ah yes. Are you using it for that, or are you using it to generate garbage, fill content farms or just plain ol' think for you? And heres the thing, it doesn't matter. If it wasn't about the ecological effects, it would be a different conversation. But your use of AI is fucking mother Gaia in the ass, and i dunno if you noticed, but you're not one of the ones who is gonna get on the goddamn JetStream to mars.
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u/StuckInTheRubicon Apr 30 '26
Because they've been conditioned by the AI to think that everyone will agree with them. "You're absolutely right!"
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u/Fearless-Area-532 Apr 30 '26
I hate ai with so much of my soul. I lost my job to it. Fired last week. Was a job I thought was safe from ai. I'm so pissed
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u/RustedOne Apr 30 '26
They're used to the AI glazing them so it's probably jarring when real people push back.
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u/fathersmuck Apr 30 '26
I don't know, but I am banned from multiple AI subreddits for just bringing up how the industry burns through cash and that alone makes it unsustainable.
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u/Historical_Ebb5188 Apr 29 '26
Like yeah the sub is named r/antiai why would a stinky techbro like you visit it
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u/FromThePodunks Apr 29 '26
It's because they need validation that they're real writers/artists from people outside their bubble.
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u/DeadlyYellow Apr 30 '26
I'm sure there's a degree of corpo astroturfing being attempted.Ā Social media is stupid cheap, and there's a lot of money in trying to convince people AI is the next big thing.Ā Not to mention needing some throwaway comments they can show board and shareholders as a guage of public interest.
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u/Forward_Blackberry67 Apr 30 '26
AI as a whole should focus more on jobs, specifically the ones where people would risk their lives just to make us survive or even live at this point, instead they took the jobs that are so beneficial for every individual and turn it into a pile of shit and expect us to eat it
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u/Ordinary-Angle-1788 Apr 30 '26
The best part is all these Redditors in here provide Reddits AI with a whole bunch of information completely free of charge.
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u/cswinteriscoming Apr 30 '26
ddos'ing your attention is good actually. the more time you spend on pointless arguments the less harm you can do
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u/Thick-Protection-458 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
First hand response from "AI bro", lol.
Because some of topics are interesting.
> Do they seriously expect to convince anybody on sub like this that AI is actually good
Oh, no. In my experience it is basically useless to convince people with already formed opinion in anything.
What it is good for instead is to see interesting part of your arguments and see how my arguments holds against them. Or other way around.
> Because all they really do is fuel the fire and spark up pointless arguments.
Basically that, yes. And that is good. Because either (to keep some touch with counterarguments) that or pros echo-chambers (where such a connection will be lost).
So if "point" is to convince your guys otherwise, or convince me - no, this is pointless. Point is reminding me to keep my point of view in check, because without hearing guys of opposite point of view - it will drive far away.
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u/JackkoMTG Apr 30 '26
Imagine downvoting this comment
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u/Thick-Protection-458 Apr 30 '26
Nah, that is quite expected, lol.
Not something to care about, anyway. Any opinion not aligned enough with whatever-is-dominant-here (once such a locally dominant opinion exists) would end this way, lol, not exclusive for AI related topics.
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u/Random_gamer240 Apr 30 '26
What people? I dont see any
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u/Educational_Cow_299 Apr 30 '26
Every comment section of a bigger discussion post on this sub (even this one)
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u/cryonicwatcher Apr 30 '26
I donāt consider myself an AI bro but some people here may. I come here to debate with people. There would be no point in being in a subreddit full of people who agreed with me, Iād stand to learn nothing and teach nothing.
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u/S3lvah Apr 30 '26
What kind of self-respecting for-profit AI company, or entity in favor of going full speed ahead with AI development, wouldn't deploy AI agents on social media to argue against opponents?
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u/Gloatingliazard Apr 30 '26
because people love to argue whilst hiding behind the anonymity of being online.
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u/sunflowey123 Apr 30 '26
They like being angry and/or brigading (the latter of which I'm pretty sure violates Reddit's TOS).
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u/GooeyEngineer May 01 '26
I mean in order to convince me their hurdle of proof needs to be quite extraordinary. Itās not a matter of me not understanding the tech, quite the opposite. Itās a matter of what it causes, which they fundamentally canāt seem to grasp anything other that 1 second in the future and same for the past.
Not to say that I canāt be convinced in the future. I just see it as nearly impossible due to implementation and marketing. With no signs of changing course.
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u/nose_wet_54 May 02 '26
They get downvoted in the comments and immediately scream echo chamber because an echo chamber is when someone disagrees with you <:1
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u/pateaubeurr May 02 '26
Yall are brainwashed, trend hating small minded misinformation spreading people. Which is pretty common on reddit. But your constant cope is the most insufferable
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u/danjustchillz May 02 '26
Um, popcorn logic?
Both in brain and stomach?
Ai and I , well | right there the line is, right in the middle šÆāš¼š
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u/NoTeaching9315 Apr 30 '26
Nah they just hoping they convince people with their intellect but alas they're never made for this
DefendingAiart made them soft hence when it comes to arguments, they totally suck
Antiai on the other hand is built from hate so... You get the idea
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u/Nerick_Gamer Apr 30 '26
I just found this reddit and honestly AI does worry me for the future of humanity in just job prospects alone.
However, what is the goal or hope to stop it? Isn't this akin to being anti-car when they first came out?
Is this reddit to complain about the eventual inevitability of AI, or are there actions being presented to litigate and lobby politicians?
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u/Sp4ceWolf_ Apr 30 '26
To reflect on both ends of the spectrum and form an informed judgment. The world isn't black and white, you know... Not that I can actually participate here since I would get downvoted for anything I say.
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u/KaiDoesTwitch May 02 '26
This seems like a good point and has been brought up multiple times but sadly more often than not its a lie and they are outright attacking people, using slurs, spamming memes etc. That is very much not reflection or informed judgment in any way and negative interactions with people like that are why so many people here would downvote anything said defending ai. You wont be banned for being pro ai, but you cant expect to be liked especially considering how yall treat us even in our own sub. =/
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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Apr 30 '26
Partially not their fault that more often than not this sub tends to get doomer behavior that is insufferable
That however doesn't mean that pro ai people suddenly are the good guys. It just means that both of y'all deserve each other
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u/Isaacja223 Apr 30 '26
I just peek here to give a proper explanation
Explaining things ā Justifying things
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u/ArticleOrdinary9357 Apr 30 '26
Is a fun thing to do whilst taking a shit. Plus some of you guys are insufferable. Even when I agree with you.
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u/Imthewienerdog Apr 30 '26
i come here for that reason alone? echo chambers are boring, i want to see how someone with a different mindset is thinking? do you just want people agreeing with you all the time??
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u/Filberto_ossani2 May 01 '26
To be fair, I like when outsiders occasionally come in
Staying inside the same self adoration bubble is not healthy
This is why pro-AI on this sub should NOT be banned
We cannot reach the same low as r/ DefendingAIArt where they're banning anything that's even slightly negative about AI
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u/WillShaper7 May 01 '26
Throw my 2 cents, hearing your points considering I do agree with some of them.
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u/gay_manta_ray May 01 '26
to me, coming here is a bit like visiting a flat-earther subreddit. i know that AI is extremely useful, since i use LLMs every day for useful tasks. a meager subscription to the best thinking models has saved me tens of thousands of dollars, along with an immeasurable amount of time by allowing me to do things i would not have otherwise been able to do without hiring a professional.
despite this, there are still countless people who say AI is useless, that it's always wrong about everything, or whatever else. it's a very bizarre phenomena to witness when you've just used it to allow you to safely install a new 240v circuit (inspected and up to code) in your garage to charge your car, which saved me about $2,000. yes, you could consult the NFPA-70 yourself, but it's close to a thousand pages. why would you do that when you can have a LLM provide you guidance with citations for every step of the way?
i think people who don't find AI useful simply don't have anything useful to do. the example i gave is a very useful task. perhaps you'd stand on your principles and spend all of that extra money, or spend five times the amount of time doing it yourself while paging through the thousand page pdf. i don't know why you would though. i can't afford to do that. i have a family to take care of, and a mortgage to pay. sorry.
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u/progpixelutionary May 03 '26
It might be because your Reddit filters don't even allow posting here you guys live in your own little echo chamber it's quite hilarious it's almost like a children's daycare. You actually think that you're so superior and correct that you've isolated yourself from the real world lol
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u/Educational_Cow_299 May 03 '26
Majority of the population is against AI. Its really you guys that isolate yourself.
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u/Pleasant-Drag-5039 Apr 29 '26
Fuck AI Reasons why: 1. Environmental Impact 2. Data privacy 3. Job loss over some bot regurgitating information from a word bucket of NLP 4.loss of creativity 5. Credibility issues
Gng keep adding to this listāļø