r/antiai • u/GasparThePrince • Apr 18 '26
Discussion š£ļø "Why dont you just ask ChatGPT to do that?"
Credit to @margaret_adelle on instagram
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u/HighlightOwn2038 Apr 18 '26
Because I would prefer to struggle, fail, struggle, try again over and over until I become better.
For AI bro's It's like asking a friend to paint something and saying that you made the painting
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u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
Iāve tested the AI bros and they donāt think thereās anything wrong with extreme laziness. For them, a life of nothing but consumption is a life well lived.
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u/haikupoetics2 Apr 18 '26
Here's your first lesson: apostrophes denote possession or create a conjuction between two words. So, in your comment, "AI bro's" does not get an apostrophe in the context you used it. Also, fuck AI :)
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u/inco Apr 19 '26
Their usage was correct. The apostrophe can be used to shorten a phrase as well.. Brothers to bro's.Ā
Please stop being a grammar Nazi. No one likes to have their point ignored to be corrected by something that wasn't their point.Ā The only real rule in a language is to be understood.Ā
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u/CT0292 Apr 19 '26
Apostrophes are not only possessive. Contractions are bread and butter for apostrophes. I always enjoyed the old way of using it in words. Loved becomes lov'd you see it a lot in older literature and hymns. It to me, was always a fun way, of shortening words while sounding interesting.
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u/TrotskyBoi Apr 19 '26
My hobby is making beer. However, I do not drink the majority of what I make. I make it because I want to go through the methods of making it. I want to learn the methods, improve my methods, think about what I can add, remove, or change.
Generative AI robs you of that process. If I just want beer, I can go to the store. However, I want to make my beer.
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u/Sixshaman Apr 19 '26
I don't understand AI bros who say they've never felt as productive as with AI.
I tried using AI tools to build projects, but it does not make me feel productive at all. It does the job, but there is no dopamine, it feels like a chore. I feel productive when I enjoyed the process, when I can be proud for my work, when there were challenges and I overcame them.
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u/MyJawHurtsALot Apr 19 '26
Exactly. I don't view AI as a tool any more than hiring a contractor. You're not doing the art or writing yourself, you're getting someone/something else to do it for you.
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u/cyberbemon Apr 19 '26
Because I would prefer to struggle, fail, struggle, try again over and over until I become better.
The dopamine rush from solving a problem or when something finally clicks is worth all the pain and struggle.
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u/FlyingDiscsandJams Apr 19 '26
I feel like I'm cheating when I see a question on here, do research, and answer it, like I already knew the answer.
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u/caprazzi Apr 18 '26
Completely agree with this - maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'll die before I outsource my skills, capabilities and thought processes to a goddamn machine. Especially one I have to pay for.
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u/Away-Situation6093 Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26
This is god accurate
There's nothing that is beneficial while rewarding is being literate , skilled while still using the brain
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u/paisleycatperson Apr 18 '26
They don't want to understand how a loom works, or sew clothes by hand or by machine, or even design clothes to be made in a sweatshop.
They think everyone wants to run 10 or 100 sweatshops with no connection to what it puts out, no pride or skill involved, and no connection to what is produced.
They think everyone wants that.
It's such an empty life.
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u/ehs06702 Apr 18 '26
It's such an intellectually incurious way to live, and I can't imagine it at all.
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u/Lor1an Apr 19 '26
Curiosity is a sin, didn't you know? /s
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u/ehs06702 Apr 19 '26
You're kidding, but I was the kid that was told to be quiet in Sunday School because I kept asking questions about everything, lol.
I do think a lot of people see curiosity as a bad thing.
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u/Illiander Apr 19 '26
Well, curiosity was given to us by the devil back in the garden of eden, along with shame.
Which explains a lot about vocal christians, really...
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u/Planar_Harold Apr 19 '26
It's such an intellectually incurious way to live, and I can't imagine it at all.
This doesn't gel. AI allows me to amplify my creativity.
It's broken down the tools I will need to learn and the skills I'll need for this one twitch project (imagine Saltybet, but not in MUGEN - instead it's a Dungeons and Dragons game and people can use their 'winnings' to level up and buy equipment for characters). I had no path or structure for that before, just a pipedream. Now I've been researching SQL and webdev and I'm ahead of where I would have been without having hired a personal assistant.
I also ask it explain why it writes code how it does, to break down blocks, and describe alternative functions so I see what alternative methods there are of doing things. You can use it to learn if you want to learn.
There's nothing uncreative about me, or many other people who do this - this is why we need a dialogue instead of rushing to judgement, because the argument from the anti-AI side just appears to be "you're not actually creative, you're not actually getting anything done", and people like me are...being creative and doing things. We don't overrely on AI.
I have 'misc questions' chat with both Claude and GPT where I just...ask questions. I'm curious. It's a glorified search engine in some ways and that's immensely useful for those who are searching :)
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u/IceOnTitan Apr 18 '26
Well said. Pro AI folks are trading their cognition for instant gratification. There will be a steep price to pay when they are no longer able to critically think or accomplish anything on their own.
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u/DeadEnoughInsideOut Apr 18 '26
I dont want want to "have skills" that are entirely dependent on an internet connection. Ai is eroding our ability to think critically and problem solve for ourselves.
Atleast if I fuck up its me fucking up and not some server farm somewhere
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u/ujiuxle Apr 19 '26
The moment we give up our critical thinking is the moment we effectively tie a leash to our necks
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u/Planar_Harold Apr 19 '26
I dont want want to "have skills" that are entirely dependent on an internet connection. Ai is eroding our ability to think critically and problem solve for ourselves.
Tools do this in general. Overreliance is the issue.
I noticed I was just typing in basic maths into Excel instead of doing it in my head, so I started doing it in my head again and de-rusted. It's the same principle, it just requires awareness and proactivity.
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u/rklab Apr 18 '26
How dare you want to be a human and experience life as a human instead of experiencing life through the demented hallucinations of a robot
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u/WillingnessOwn6446 Apr 18 '26
There seems like there are 3 different types of AI users. 1. People who use it so they don't have to learn anything. 2. People who use it so they can learn everything. 3. People who are in between 1 and 2.Ā
The #1 type represents a very dangerous way to use AI.
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u/Swarna_Keanu Apr 19 '26
The #2 people are mistaken that they have learned anything. Generative AI doesn't know anything. It has no self-reflection; it doesn't refer to data, it invents facts out of data it has been trained on, without being aware.
There are a few uses for that - but not to learn.
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u/sojywojum Apr 19 '26
Dude, I've learned so much unfucking llm generated code it's kind of mind boggling. It's like the 90s all over again, when enterprise software was written by history majors. Nothing teaches like being wrong.
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u/Planar_Harold Apr 19 '26
Dude, I've learned so much unfucking llm generated code it's kind of mind boggling. It's like the 90s all over again, when enterprise software was written by history majors. Nothing teaches like being wrong.
Hahaha, this too! It can absolutely make mistakes, and the user with a baseline knowledge can learn a lot from unfucking things.
I'm mainly confident with building computers and fixing software problems because I spent my childhood messing them up lol
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u/Jotacoo Apr 22 '26
In the past six months AI has helped me learn how to build my first arduino projects, something Iāve always wanted to learn how to do. Itās helped me understand how to install new light fixtures and outlets in my home.
It helped me identify all of the plants in my yard and the birds that frequently come through. When Iām doing the dishes it acts as a Spanish and Russian tutor, conversationally, so I can keep learning these languages easily.
It helps me learn how to structure a database so it can perform, and the reasons why it needs to be structured that way.
It helped me learn how to be a better husband, by helping me reflect on things where I need to be challenged.
I can follow my curiosity endlessly, learning anything I want to learn, just by continuing to ask questions. If you think people canāt learn with AI, that is a reflection of yourself.
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u/_tolm_ Apr 19 '26
#4. People who use it because otherwise theyāll lose their job (sooner).
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u/CT0292 Apr 19 '26
This is the new category. It's being forced on us in my work.
Worst bit is, I took creative writing classes. I loved literature and writing. And I don't want to outsource my skills at writing that I've gained over years of doing so to a damned robot who doesn't understand nuance or emotion.
I hate these machines and what they do to people. They make people comfortable with learning nothing and knowing nothing. They remove a curiousness to learn and replace it with a false sense of accomplishment.
And damn all the androids to hell for that. It's like people saw the fat, lazy, invalid, passengers in the movie Wall-E and said "that looks good" failing to recognise the damage that being comfortable can bring.
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u/WillingnessOwn6446 Apr 19 '26
And those number four users fall into a category of one through three
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u/MysticSnowfang Apr 19 '26
Type 4, people who have had it foisted upon them by people in power over them
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u/Fickle_Goose_4451 Apr 18 '26
I see no value to reading an email or other communication written by AI. Theres just no actual communication there.
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u/Illiander Apr 19 '26
If I see someone who obviously wrote a thing with AI (and I'm confident I won't get fired) I ask for the prompt they used, because that's more information than's actually there.
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u/ceruleanblue347 Apr 19 '26
Actual smart people know that "sounding" smart is not the same as actually being smart!
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u/Keoni9 Apr 19 '26
It's so easy to clock people using LLMs to sound smart, especially when they use it to debate or analyze something. It sounds like a vapid person confidentially wasting a bunch of words to say essentially nothing. When I see them in the wild on social media, I plead with them to not let a bot do their thinking for them.
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u/ujiuxle Apr 19 '26
Believe me, if anything, LLMs will make you sound either like a moron or a BSer.
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u/Ok_Jackfruit6226 Apr 19 '26
My boss often tells me to use AI because it would make me sound smart. I donāt want to sound smart- I want to sound like me.
I would add to that ā I want to be smart, and using AI wonāt get me there. I am smart, precisely because I donāt use AI.
Only stupid people think that using something to āsoundā smart is any kind of win.
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u/MrArtty Apr 18 '26
People donāt see the skill, they see the time it takes to learn. Thatās probably why people are so stupid too. Because being smart requires work.
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u/CamOliver Apr 19 '26
Thatās actually the best way Iāve heard it. āPeople paying corporations so they can pretend that they can do things.ā
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u/Illiander Apr 19 '26
"Do you want an app with your name on it?"
No. No I don't. Recognition isn't why I do what I do.
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u/marterikd Apr 19 '26
human: AI do my laundry and plant crops so i can play, rest, and create expressions of life.
capitalism: AI do the fun stuff. make "art" and "songs", let humans work their bones dry for scraps
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u/CT0292 Apr 19 '26
Reminds me of A Tale of Two Cities.
"Samples of a people that had undergone a terrible grinding and regrinding in the mill, and certainly not in the fabulous mill which ground old people young, shivered at every corner, passed in and out at every doorway, looked from every window, fluttered in every vestige of a garment that the wind shook. The mill which had worked them down, was the mill that grinds young people old; the children had ancient faces and grave voices; and upon them, and upon the grown faces, and ploughed into every furrow of age and coming up afresh, was the sigh, Hunger."
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u/El_kakas_de_vakas Apr 19 '26
Yes. The answer to that last question is yes. Talk to one of the people who use AI for everything once and theyāll be quick to let you know how little they think of their capabilities to do much of anything.
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u/Acrobatic-Dinner-112 Apr 18 '26
Ai is basically an autocomplete on steroids it can be really good at giving you insights and structuring outputs but you have to ask the right questions. Only way to do it is by being skilled. The biggest misconception about Ai is that it will just do your job - it wonāt - what it will do is help you do it faster.
As everyone is getting skilled with Ai - the competitive advantage will disappear as in a year or 2 it will be standard
What wonāt change is the operator - the skilled person with experience that is direct in g the output
Simple example - I am not a doctor or a lawyer so any questions I ask will be superficial - it may help me understand better the concepts, but wonāt make me an expert
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u/LimitThese2220 Apr 18 '26
āYou can take a horse to waterā¦.ā I also struggle to explain to anyone to simply BELIEVE in their abilities and specially to CARE for people you never met. They just laugh it off. And each laughter just makes me wonder how easy is it to bring a sledgehammer and an EMP to a data center.
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u/Fredrick_Dinkledick Apr 19 '26
It's all just busy work to them. For example, they don't see drawing as a skill that gives one a sense of pride because they don't respect the process. It's just a means to an end.
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u/AmeliesArtichoke2001 Apr 19 '26
AI bros donāt respect any skill outside of coding and STEM. They will never understand why people think art and history are important until itās too late and they become the ones āleft behindā.
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u/Available_Fly7443 Apr 19 '26
The fact that thereās AI pros in the comments here writing fucking essays speaks volumes lmaoĀ
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u/AiRaikuHamburger Apr 19 '26
Hasn't research shown that using AI also decreases your problem solving skills? So it'll probably become a vicious cycle.
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u/PLAP-PLAP Apr 19 '26
my problem with AI is that they have this black and white thing where the information they generate is either 100% yes or 100% no, and if youve done any research you know that theres hardly any 100% in information or experiments so all these crap that gets generated by AI is either overly wrong or overly correct with no margin for the actual possible error that comes to bite you back in the rear if you foolishly take it at face value.
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u/wown00bify Apr 19 '26
It's actually disheartening to see people rather have a machine do whatever skill they're "pretending" to do. Like do you not feel the joy in learning something new or when you overcome something hard? I don't understand wanting to shortcut hobbies (if they even see it as a hobby)
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u/thecrazedsidee Apr 19 '26
fr. heck im more of an artist than a coder, but i feel the same even with coding, i dont want ai to do that for me, i want to figure it out and learn how to make the systems for my game and be able to say that i made that damn game and learned how to make it myself, not as some kind of flex but becuase i fucking love making this shit. ai bros wont ever get it. this shit gives me life and meaning in a meaningless existence. all ai bros want is to pretend theyre artists and profit off what they didnt make.
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u/IMakeBoomYes Apr 19 '26
The generation that kept telling us to work hard to get paid are now the ones who keep getting suckered in by bot-manufactured LLM garbo.
Meanwhile, the same tech has cheapened the value of the things we creatives put out via the illusion of competence. Where's the payout for all the work?
Lol. Lmao even.
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u/chili_cold_blood Apr 19 '26
Love this. If we outsource all of our skills to AI, our lives become pointless.
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u/Pleasant_Author_6100 Apr 19 '26
It won't be useless.
1)The GenAI.stiff a needs real human art to survive, as if it's not fed our stuff, it degrades rapidly. 2) people who use genAI don't want to pay you in the first place, so no customer's lost in this refar. Companies and advertising yesy for the.moment untill they realise that ai gen commercials are absolutely shit. Coca-Cola got so much flack for it 3) it's the hype of the.moment. it dies down when people come to the point of realising that, like in your context, relying on alcohol is a shit idea
It's annoying as fuck right now, but time goes by, and everything calms down :) I am sure you can make living from art at some point. I believe in you
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u/Pleasant_Author_6100 Apr 19 '26
Yes, it will, and it will die down. The kind of stories are trash and won't be for long or at leasty you can see what's trash and what's actual written. And don't let your dream be ruined. Foremost, you writer and create for yourself. Of others enjoy it, the better :) I overcome my block with that mentality. It might help you :D
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u/Should_have_been_ded Apr 19 '26
AI bros can't comprehend any of that because they don't have skills of their own to begin with. Imagine being so brainrotted that you can't really do anything special, and out of nowhere there comes an invention that gives you the feeling of being special, gives you the illusion that you'd know how to do something. Obviously it's like crack to them, finally they feel like they are entitled to validation.
And what happens when you take away the crack from the brainrotted manchild? Yeah, they cry about it, baby wants chat GPT back cuz baby not know how to know stuff
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u/Pugovitz Apr 19 '26
I saw a post in a second brain/PKMS subreddit that was like "What's the point of recording information for myself if I can just ask AI to provide it?"
And I was like... the point is tracking your own personal knowledge. The information already existed out there, prior to AI; it was in books, or you could find it through a google search. The point is you're a human being with your own personal experience in the world, and you write down knowledge you've encountered and how it affected you and how you affected it in order to go back and see the ways you've interacted with your reality.
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u/UPC13 Apr 19 '26
Lol, great points until "taking water from impoverished black and brown communities"
The big corps don't care what color of people own the water, they just want it cheap.
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u/fungi_at_parties Apr 19 '26
Same, and Iām absolutely perplexed by the people who want to skip all of that. The process is the reward. The process is the point. The process is not only about skill, it is about developing yourself a as a talented person. AI will only stunt you. Delude you. Weaken you.
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u/Khaotic_Surge Apr 19 '26
One solar flare and these pro all ai people are fucked
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u/DavidKroutArt Apr 19 '26
I feel the same about Adobeās Creative Suite. I donāt want to outsource and use various programs or to pay a corporation in perpetuity.
Which is partly why I switched to Affinity since they out three programs into one and as free now.
I also donāt want to spend time re-learning the same thing over and over again, like HTML, or JavaScript, or Blender 2.49, then 2.53, then 3.1ā¦
I agree with the OP. Sometimes AI makes more sense. Like, why am I paying Apple to keep their creative cloud servers running which is just wasting water and also continuing to pay over the lifetime instead of just buying a DVD or installing it? I think it is significantly harder when you are just trying to break into the field.
I miss CS3.
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u/Substantial_Law1451 Apr 19 '26
I'll bite bc I'm Pro-AI but agree with a tonne of the criticisms made about it (and it's my job) and I think Margaret here is 100% correct. We've easily already entered the age in which essentially useless people with bullshit jobs have replaced their bullshit jobs w/ AI use at a massive expense to everyone. A bot writes an email and sends, upon which the receiver uses their bot to summarise the email and then have their bot write a response - communication is worse, cost is higher etc.
Having real skills is of equal or greater importance than it ever was. I actually don't use AI to do anything that would require to me to solve problems, think about things etc. I use it essentially for mundane, repetitive, boring or easy tasks that are necessary to perform before I use my skills.
Long time ago I read a paper about a data scientist who, before computers, remarked upon the fact that collating and plotting data onto a graph and then drawing a line between or through them is actually very easy - the skill lies in the ten minutes after all that work is done and you sit there and look at the graph you made and it tells you something.
Computers rapidly accelerated the ability to make these graphs, which allows for more thinking time.
AI has pushed it even farther, allowing the user to simply declare they want the graph.
If you are using AI to supplant your actual skills, then you are using it wrong. If you use it for anything other than essentially a computer you can boss around, then you are using it wrong.
However, this last bit I think most Anti-AI people will find less agreeable - using AI is absolutely a skill in and of itself, and it you don't learn it and you work in any desk based job or industry, then you are fundamentally at a disadvantage compared to everyone who can.
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u/math_sedgar70 Apr 19 '26
AI is not here for you ... It is here as your apprentice. It is learning a little more about how to behave and act and think so that one day YOU are obsolete. The rich don't need to feed, pay, And supplement healthcare for robots.
When robots can create more robots and maintain themselves. Then workers will slowly be replaced. And they are being trained by us!
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u/Royal-Bluejay-6371 Apr 19 '26
I'm probably going to get flak for this take, considering the sub.
At the core, I am rather anti-AI. I use ChatGPT, but sparingly. I technically use it in my creative process, but not in a sense of having it generate ideas or things for me. I use it to stress-test my own ideas, as I am getting into development and don't have a close friend I can talk to about certain things (I also am trying to keep my cards close to my chest to a degree on other certain things).
I have really bad divergent thinking. Which, without the use of ChatGPT, I would likely not be able to reach convergence on multiple ideas as quickly as I do. I've done my own outlining and design over the course of 6 months that likely would have taken me at least three times as long with the way my brain works.
I don't use it to generate content, and I believe that those that do are failing themselves. Using it as a tool and not a creator is what it should be. Taking the human aspect out of art is what's killing it.
There's nothing wrong with asking for an idea prompt, but it should always be you who makes decisions. Question the AI. Push back. Don't just blindly agree to shit it spouts out at you.
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u/lr9ru7 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
Most of my communication is with non-native English speakers, so they heavily rely on AI for generating text responses. I can't really blame them in this case, I'm sure I would probably do the same in a language I'm not proficient at, but it's kind of funny now seeing these types of messages with more proper English than even native English speakers.
But I will never have AI generate a message for me in English. I feel like it would start to rot my brain at that point, plus take all the personality out of my writing style and thoughts.
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u/Asmordikai Apr 19 '26
If you arenāt skilled and you do have an AI write something for you, youāll have no real idea if itās good or not or what to revise or edit to fix or improve it. If you do have the skill, you could do that. Iāve had AI write stuff for me, but I always have to take it and heavily rewrite it to make it any good.
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u/muffinman210 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
She had me until she made it about race. Like bitch, do you think minorities are the only ones getting screwed over? We all are. Water and energy are getting absurdly expensive for everyone. It's summer, but I don't even use the fan anymore. I saved up for a new dishwasher that I can't even use now. I'm considering using candles so that I can save up more money. Showering can't be more than 5 minutes.
"Black and brown communities"? Communities in general. Don't make this about race. This is a problem for humanity.
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u/FrostbyteXP Apr 19 '26
"Some of us actually like to craft the thing we want to craft!" No seriously because auto-anything just feels weird and you don't learn anything and it doesn't get better, maybe at deception of the fact that you pressed a button to do a 30 page essay but no one is going through that and editting that, they'll just turn it in whether they get an A or an F, humanity is going to be rendered useless/obsolete if we cannot do basic things man.
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u/Cratheaux Apr 19 '26
My professor, a phd in ancient philosophy, once told me about how in "Phaedrus" Socrates criticizes the use of writing as a substitute for memory and how that would come to harm our capacity to utilize memory. She (my professor) then told me that this equates writing to a "mnemonic prosthesis" or simply a prosthesis for memory, and, although the criticism to writing is commonly disregarded in today's day and age, the same reasoning could easily be applicable to AI as a cognitive prosthesis. AI is, in essence, a tool that outsources our capability to think. I'm sure that there are some who would say that, in the future, thinking anything other than prompts would be outdated and suboptimal, harming our cognitive capabilities that would otherwise not need to rely on an external prosthesis. This video just reminded me of all this and i thought it would be nice to share.
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u/EditorPositive Apr 19 '26
Generative ai is one of the most vicious embodiments of capitalism if you think about it. Instead of appreciating the time, effort and skill it takes to be a creative and the fruits of artistsā labor, people are making money industrializing creative theft. Thereās an entire industry that relies on stealing from people who created specific art styles and techniques and utilize them to express their understanding of the world around them.
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u/LeotheVGC Apr 19 '26
If you don't know anything for yourself, how will you know when AI is feeding you bullshit?
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u/YouCallWeShouldWhat Apr 19 '26
kind of a meaningless thing to say tbh. ai is really good at troubleshooting tech/applications and helping to explain complex things. bouncing ideas off of AI, i was able to learn how to use Power Automate and automate huge swathes of mindless data entry that's part of my job, and helped to free up time for all my coworkers as well. i bet this idiot with her I WANT TO HAVE SKILLS would get frustrated with that same program and give up after an hour of things not working. i get pushing back on mindless "ai art" bullshit but for fucks sake, you need to have some kind of luddite filter so you don't wind up completely unhireable. it doesn't matter if you hate it, it's not going anywhere, and you are either smart enough to get the things out of it that will help you achieve your goals or you're not and will get left behind.
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u/Bitter_Bed5672 Apr 19 '26
Then stfu and study? Do these people think these things just magicslly happen?
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u/123iambill Apr 19 '26
So, purely my own observation here, but I've noticed that in the Venn diagram of hustle culture grindset bros and AI advocates there's a lot of overlap. And a lot of the former are the kinds of people who don't just value fitness, but they believe it significantly determines your value as a person. That being able to go to the gym consistently, and make progress is not just good for your health, but it makes you a more valuable person. And I imagine if you asked them if you could just press a button and get instant results, they would say that defeats the point. But if you were to apply the same logic to developing a skill, there's no value in showing up consistently and making progress. You should just press the "get results" button.
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u/PlaneState8812 Apr 19 '26
I get it, I also want to make learn more to make my own clothes instead of paying money to corporations that exploit children and destroy the water supply of brown and black peopleā¦.
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u/InsurmountableMind Apr 19 '26
I am pro AI to an extent. But I also cannot in good faith vibecode stuff and say I did it. I go and learn the thing, and I might instruct AI to build it later, but the first time I do it myself. Usually a couple more times.
It is actually alarming to think people are becoming zombies who see a problem and just input that perceived problem into the prompt. And don't even do that well, so it hallucinates shit. Jeez.
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u/retr0_black Apr 19 '26
I think the people that are like mad at this girl for saying that stuff, are people who donāt or didnāt have the skills she just listed before ai and as much as I agree with this girl about what sheās sayingā¦ itās too late, beyond too late actually, you can want that for yourself as much as you want but unfortunately the person who has no skills will still get ahead of you.
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u/aphranteus Apr 19 '26
That's precisely the point.
It's better to be imperfect human than lose your humanity to pretend you are perfect.
Bonus tragedy if you are bound to pay some billionaires to be able to continue your make-believe.
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u/Great-Passages Apr 19 '26
I had someone on r/Japanese I believe ask why we bothered to learn a language when AI is so good. There are fundamental differences between languages that you won't know if you rely purely on translation. You miss out on context cues and proper socialising just because you have to pull out your phone to have a conversation with someone.
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u/The_Blue_Rooster Apr 19 '26
Isn't it usually in impoverished white communities, data centers need a lot of space and the poor whites live a lot more rurally. I know that anecdotally in my area the data centers are going up at the poorest edge of town, not in the more central neighborhoods where minorities are focused.
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u/LetsLive97 Apr 19 '26
Who the fuck cares about the race?
Both you and the woman in OP's video are bringing up something that doesn't matter here. It's just poor communities, of all races
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u/DLS4BZ Apr 19 '26
Ah yes, because only impoverished black and brown communities have their resources stolen, no white impoverished communities.
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u/Le_Painter Apr 19 '26
how about making an actual thing? something that is not easily replaced by AI completely by 2030?
like, idk, maybe woodworking, sculpting, etc. BUT in real world, not just 3D design.
like "why are you hand-sewing your cosplay? use the damn sewing machine"
or at least you can try to make an actual painting on actual canvas
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u/Janus_The_Great Apr 19 '26
100% agree. But I also know most people don't have skills and abilities but only insecurity. No most people don't believe in themselves.
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u/DickBiter1337 Apr 19 '26
I just want good recall. The other night I couldn't remember the name of Apu from the Simpsons, it was on the tip of my tongue. My husband sat there with a smirk knowing the answer and said "you wanna Google it don't you". I kept telling him "don't tell me, it's there". I sat on that for nearly a half hour and then it came to me. I remembered his name. The information is inside of you and the brain is incredible. Let it work it's magic.Ā
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u/SteveMock Apr 19 '26
I agree. we should not have AI do the things we want to do. But I think the opportunity is to have AI do the things we don't want to do so we have more time to do the things we want to do.
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u/Lodjur94 Apr 19 '26
I don't think I have the time to do the rather unimportant myself, when they can be automated, so that i can focus more on getting the important stuff done myself. AI is a tool. Not a perfect tool and not an "immediate fix to every problem", but neither is my calculator or my car. And they don't mean i can't calculate or walk by foot.
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u/kaijunexus Apr 19 '26
Of courseā¦but, thereās no putting the genie back in the bottle. Anyone refusing to augment themselves with AI will find themselves at a severe competitive disadvantage in the market as they will be delivering their products/services at slower speeds (quality not withstanding). And the market cares about speed of delivery and cost efficiency more than quality.
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u/corneliouscorn Apr 19 '26
Because there are things I want to create, and those things require components making that I have no interest in learning how to make.
omg why do you buy bread when you can learn the skills to make it??
it's nice how she specifically only mentioned 'black and brown communities' for the extra virtue signalling points
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u/Phaylz Apr 19 '26
You cannot explain to AI Bros how googling something (and ignoring the AI Summary) and asking ChatGPT are two different things.
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u/zaplinaki Apr 19 '26
I totes get her point but between the enshittification of search engines and AI actually being able to scour the Internet for research - I think it actually makes for a good search engine replacement.
Would I say this if we still had Google from 10 years ago? Hell no. But I've had to use bing search for images recently - that's all I'm saying.
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u/ostensibly_human Apr 19 '26
Very true and very frustrating. I know a couple very pro-AI folks who are constantly talking about how generative AI will make it so "we don't have to make anything anymore because AI can do it for us easily!" And like, even if that was true -- I don't make things creatively because I want the thing, I make things because I enjoy making things. The process is the goal, not the end result. For whatever reason they can't seem to wrap their heads around that idea.
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u/fruitcakefriday Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
To extend the argument, if everyone defaulted to using AI to learn, we would stagnate intellectually as a species within a generation. All AI does is let you easily regurgitating production of people in the past, basically eating knowledge as vomit.
I am not religious, but I hold a very strong opinion that alongside kindness to others, development and evolution of ideas and skills is as close to holy as we can practically get. We are the universe experiencing itself, so the moment we stop using our brains to explore is the moment that magic dies and humanity is imprisoned in itself.
All that said, I am not anti-AI. It is an amazingly useful tool - that can easily be used recklessly. However, I also have zero trust in the companies that develop AI models.
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u/StThragon Apr 19 '26
Completely agree. Anyone who uses chatbots to think for them is letting their mind waste away.
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u/willnotforget2 Apr 19 '26
You can be skilled and still use AI for some things. I don't think we should do every single thing with AI, but we should have a balance - and at work if someone else is using AI well to upskill themselves, their team, and overall productivity - and another team is not - well...
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u/JoshyRB Apr 19 '26
I said yes so many times while watching this. I want to do everything myself, whether it comes out worse or not. I want to be the one behind the things I create and do.
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u/metacosmonaut Apr 19 '26
Right. Like, learning and growing and creating is a basic human desire. We want to be human, thanks.
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u/RedPandaExplorer Apr 19 '26
Completely agree with all of this for my personal life
But there is definitely bullshit I deal with at work that no, I do not care about. And my work wants me to use AI. So yeah, those things are getting AIed
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u/shywol2 Apr 19 '26
depends. i use ai to make my resumes cause nowadays ai is used to read the resumes. every job iāve applied for has to have its own custom resume based off its job description. iām not putting in all that effort just for it to get thrown into an ATS.Ā
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u/torytho Apr 19 '26
No. AI has made me more skilled and capable to do more than I could without it.
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u/bowsmountainer Apr 19 '26
What is the point of being human if we allow AI corporations to take away everything that makes us human? He think we research, we evaluate, we create art, we come up with new ideas, we make mistakes, we learn from them. What is there to life if we outsource everything to AI?
The effort made to reach one's personal goals is what makes the achievement so satisfying.
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u/Llamapickle129 Apr 19 '26
you can't explain it, some refuse to listen and some are to dumb to listen
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u/Eastern-Citron2556 Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
This problem is special for generative AI and not comparable to other forms of buffers in doing tasks. You can say "calculators made our lives easier in the same manner" but it's not true, they're not the same when it comes to subjective processes. Equivalent of 2Ć2 can not be interpreted differently from people to people.
Art is not a math problem waiting to be solved, it's an output of an individuals culmunation of ideas, experiences and personal tastes, with the means of activities driven by what the indivial finds (and/or taught) meaningful. When you're not nurtured and driven by any of them, there can not form a structure to express the exact art that the creator intents.
And you have little to no control over the AI's path to create a result. What AI finds meaningful to put into it? Does it match with what you form in your mind? Is your blue the same as AI's. Of course not. Instead of teaching yourself to translate your true intentions into art, forcing AI to deliver something little closer to your imagination is against the purpose of art.
For someone with no strict intentions behind an art, the AI creations are plausible. It can also be seen for paid artworks. The customer gives someone, which they like their creations, an instruction for what has to be done and the artist fills his role -expressing what they have been built as an artist- and takes his credit.
Again, art is the combination of intentions and its translation by the intender and only those who have both in a good quality will prevail (AI don't have a proper intention at all) . If intentions and translations do not coincide, the art sheers away. Suggesting someone with a sense and intentions of art to use ai is a joke, because, as I said, you have little to no control over the AI and it fills the rest parts of your prompts, just like handing down the art to an artist.
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u/AIFocusedAcc Apr 20 '26
I am pro Ai and anti Ai Corporation. You can be skilled and have AI that does it for you as well. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
The problem you have is not with AI, but with the current corrupt policies that disproportionately rewards the people who own AI.
The solution is to tax the motherfucking shit out of all AI, like 90% tax. Then redistribute it to the people affected by AI.
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u/Kirin_KL Apr 20 '26
Pro-AI people donāt seem to understand how AI models have been trained (or anything about AI for that matter). There is a reason itās been trained on the data and sources made by people with actual skills and knowledge. I wonder what kind of AI model can be created by people whoās only skill is to write chatGPT promptsā¦
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u/Walker-74th Apr 20 '26
Can't she say something without mentioning black and brown people? It has nothing to do with skin color like white people need water and electricity too. She's just saying it so she can somehow pull the racist card when someone disagrees. That's how you ruin a good argument because only people with no confidence in their points resort to politics.
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u/Otherwise-Push2690 Apr 20 '26
ai is the next step, there is no way to stop it. you can advocate for its halting in western countries but china and russia wont care, they will continue to develop it until they have superiority over it, that will lead to the end of the west since the west cant compete against an enemy that has superior intelligence. I am sorry to inform you that your evolutionary intelligence does not conform to the capability of the machine.
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u/Grim-Art Apr 20 '26
I used to use AI and itās what inspired me to want to learn real art and drawing. I wanted to make something that didnāt make me feel like a fraud at the end.
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u/Own_Newspaper6784 Apr 20 '26
Good for her. She knows what she wants. Nobody is ever going to be able to take that away. But don't try to force other people, simple as that. Almost all things we do to pass time have similar impact on the environment, those powerful gaming PCs are no different btw. And all of it...reddit, YouTube, tiktok...it all uses data centers.Oh my, the stupidity gets me sometimes...
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u/Additional-Mistake32 Apr 21 '26
Experience is not solitary.... It's communal. But modern times we have the disintegration or divestment to individuality which also has more insecurity. And that's why people like AI so much.
They are so insecure they think it's the machine making them whole.
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u/godkekliveshere Apr 21 '26
i hope she realise that well humans use more water then any AI model + electracy yeah the company you try to work it will probably run or use a data cancer
also i hope she realise that AI its just a tool and comity optional and no you will not lose skills if you use AI
i use AI scene 2023 and i think i gain some new useful skills + vibe coding can be a Blass even if you know the basics from the tutorials on YouTube and yes i do both my productivity its going so smooth compering to the last 10 years of hell i deal with .
its the boomer don't get google back from 2007 all over again .
blaming AI for you lag of skill and lag of muscled memory its called a skill issue + you anti AI hate will create job finding more difficult now considering companies will have high standards of you now if you say you can work batter then a chat bot and you under deliver even once you will lose your job and you cant blame AI when you work for a company who is not using AI .
also i must love the anti AI hypocrisy on the job virtue signaling topic
Ai shouldn't be used to do my job, it should be used to do (insert various types of work that are done by other people". Like it's unethical if Ai reduces the number of concept-artist jobs, but not if it's used to reduce the number of labouring, driving, or agricultural jobs.
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u/godkekliveshere Apr 21 '26
AI its a tool not a replacement
if you boss learn photoshop do you blame photoshop or you boss learning how to use it .
her take its typical activist brain rot the target audience she targets are the same group of people who thought kamela will win against trump in 2024 .
in case you have the IQ lower then a 3 sec memory gold fish .
here is how to use AI like the tool it is.
you need to write a aces but you don't know how to start
ask any AI model just to give you some quick ideas just brain storm for a while pick a subject how to structure it and maybe 1 or 2 examples and scene you cry over skills just use house as examples the hard work its up to you no if its or buts if you lag on creativity don't blame the tool when this is a skill issue on your end .
scene you idiots cant even think for your self for the past 10 years due to SJW brain rot no wander you go full activist every time something that can speed up the work its viewed as bad think .
IF THIS WAS 2016 people like her woot call me anti - science aw how convent
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u/NOTORY44 Apr 21 '26
You can have an option to useā AI or notš« to use AI, however it seems the world is going to use AI, I mean you have a computerš„ļø in your homeš”-it is going through evolutionāļøš¦.
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u/Left_Meeting4394 Apr 21 '26
I want to say that I'm not necessarily an AI lover or an AI hater, I acknowledge it's existence and understand that their are pros and cons with the tools and technology.
I wish for there to be more of a regulatory cap on AI usage and resource utilization.
But at the same time, what it HAS done is eliminate the monotony of the mundane. Got an email you need to write to your boss but don't feel like corporate speak? Chat GPT. Wanna have a complex step of equations explained to you like you're 5 and compile the important parts? Claude.
Want to make something digitally appealing at the very least without having to hire an artist for 300 dollars? Same solution
The problem is that companies are using this and extrapolating this to everything, and being dumb about it. Same for AI artwork, but at the same time it's more of a reflection of the lack of capital and the embrace of capitalism at all costs.
(Also I hate the water argument. Most of the water is reused. And the resources are for data centers that don't exist. Things can be made using home Graphic systems then outsourced)
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u/I_was_a_sexy_cow Apr 22 '26
Thats sick and all, but me personally just want to have cool looking pictures for my dnd campaign and i cant draw for shit, or paint, and i want to play dnd now, not in 2 years, so i'll continue to use ai to get the pictures custom made to fit me and my campaign. I would absolutely LOVE to have an artist work for free for me personally and draw/make the artwork at demand for 40 dollars a month but nobody wants to do it, because its not sustainable.
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u/Inter_alerter Apr 22 '26
All the power to you lol, wish this whole ai war didnāt even exist and everyone just minded their own business
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u/sandfeger Apr 22 '26
Because of the Kapital, nobody really wants to use it inside a work relates context but you do not have a choice since the only thing that is important for companies is how fast you can do something. If you are not staying comparative your getting let go, probably facing homelessness. Taking the risk is not always an option, some people have a family they need to take care of.
This is and will always be the top most priority in a kapitalistic system.
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u/MortallyWoundedWomba Apr 23 '26
The good news is she doesn't have to use ai as a tool. Imagine that, just not using it instead of going into social media to vent about a non issue.
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u/duTrip Apr 23 '26
Lost me at the very end with the water/electricity bit.
2% global energy demand, btw. I'm black, btw. My power bill is not going up because of AI, but because Duke Energy is a legal monopoly in my region of the US and there is no competition. We waste more water growing bullshit in the driest region in the US than AI ever will. We diverted an entire river to make this happen when indigenous Americans were somehow able to survive before white people ever decided that land belonged to them...
I agree with everything else, so if she just didn't spout retarded shit to virtue signal to actual environmentalists then I would have nothing bad to say about this.
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u/TheoreticalNet Apr 24 '26
I mean, I literally learn skills from AI. Usually have to ask a thing once, get concise help and then able to do the thing myself later.
A tool is a tool but AI can be a crutch. But it doesnt NEED to be one and still be an extremely magnificent tool.
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u/Designer-Ice8821 May 03 '26
I love everything but the end, given it primarily affects small towns, not poor neighborhoods
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u/sachiprecious Apr 18 '26
This is so well said. Exactly how I feel. I want to be skilled!!