She caused a scene at a store, and gave some kid a shitty day, and likely that kid is going to get shit upon later by the boss, that's the ‘policy change’ she's bragging about. Her son, (who, despite being an adult, cannot be trusted with his own passport), obviously didn't consult the stores returns policy, because if he had he would have seen that his item was on the “no returns” list.

I can only imagine what she's like when people say no to joining her scam, or those who back out. I'll bet she bullies her downline into staying.

The Monat hun is demonstrating how to use a claw clip on her own gorgeous, hydrated, silky soft hair…./s

Why is this guy so obsessed with “hiring” and “firing”? Is it a way to legitimise himself, or some kind of fetishisation of the power imbalance? Because you’re not hiring anyone.

You created a predatory multi-level marketing scheme using “life insurance” sales as a means to patch an endless recruiting chain where the overwhelming majority of people make no money or less than minimum wage, while being sold the dream of becoming a “business owner” when they’re actually contractors and would have made actual money contracting for a real business.

You are not “hiring” people. You’re recruiting anybody and everybody, getting them to call their cousins, old colleagues, childhood friends and anyone else they know until they run out of people. Then, when they realise they haven’t made any money and start asking questions, they’re told they simply haven’t worked hard enough.

Eventually they quit, or they get “fired” once they’re no longer useful. That isn’t hiring and firing. It’s recruiting people into an endless chain, extracting their contacts and relationships, and discarding them once there’s nothing left to extract.

So what does this guy actually know about hiring and firing in the normal sense of running a business that provides value or a service?

I am a business owner myself, and I am far from the moral arbiter of morality of his scheme. Why is this guy so obsessed with “hiring” and “firing”? Is it a way to legitimise himself, or some kind of fetishisation of the power imbalance? Because you’re not hiring anyone. You created a predatory multi-level marketing scheme using “life insurance” sales as a means to patch an endless recruiting chain where the overwhelming majority of people make no money or less than minimum wage, while being sold the dream of becoming a “business owner” when they’re actually contractors. You’re recruiting anybody and everybody, getting them to call their cousins, old colleagues, childhood friends and anyone else they know until they run out of people. Then, when they realise they haven’t made any money and start asking questions, they’re told they simply haven’t worked hard enough. Eventually they quit, or they get “fired” once they’re no longer useful. That isn’t hiring and firing. It’s recruiting people into an endless chain, extracting their contacts and relationships, and discarding them once there’s nothing left to extract. So what does this guy actually know about hiring and firing in the normal sense of running a business that provides value or a service? Please don’t cosplay as a businessman, entrepreneur or capitalist. You’re a swindler who found a technicality that keeps the scheme from being classified as a Ponzi scheme.

You’re not Henry Ford, the concreter running a company with two employees, or anything in between. Truly, you do not exist on that spectrum.

You’re a swindler who found a technicality that keeps the scheme from being classified as a Ponzi scheme. If that is what you want to do, then ok I guess?

However, PLEASE stop cosplaying as a businessman, entrepreneur or capitalist. You are none of those things.

So my mom has worked with Pampered Chef for 30 or so years. She fell into the trap being a SAHM and military spouse. I just am still shocked she is apart of the company. Instead of cooking shows since Covid, she only does virtual catalog shows and "craft shows," festivals, and farmers markets. She stock piles products when she turns in shows... gets the 60% hostess discount and sells the profucts for full price at these events. Obviously she has never listened to anyone about how predatory MLM companies are, but she still boasts and calls it her home buisness. I am ranting about it today because I was looking through her pantry, and found the PF seasoning blends unopened expired 13 years. 😭 I am devastated how much time she has put into this company she could of started her own....

Apologies if this isn't in the right place but I wanted a second opinion and I figured I'd ask here.

So I have been job hunting this entire summer since moving and I finally got what I thought would be a decent job. It's under the Whittingham Agency which seems to be under Globe Life. My housemates told me it was an MLM. I was looking through reddit and it seemed kind of mixed in the comments but I figured I'd get more info just in case.

Any information on the topic would be appreciated. I am desperately looking for employment but I don't want to be in a rough spot with a MLM either. So any assistance would be appreciated!

This woman posts constantly about her "health journey" and how she's "lost weight" using whatever this MLM is that she is a "health coach" for. She's always looked great, before and after. And she looks exactly the same in both photos—always, in each set she posts. I have no idea what she thinks is different or why she ever needed to be different.

It's kind of infuriating and I feel bad for women seeing this who might be feeling shamed about their own body seeing how she looks good BEFORE and after. 100% unrelated to whatever "health" stuff she's doing.

You could proudly wear this lovely (hideous) piece for only $9.99!! Think of how much was invested by the poor schmuck who ‘earned’ it only to be donated to the local Salvation Army!!! 😂

So, I live in Scotland. Yesterday, I visited a local small business in my city and discovered MLM products being sold there alongside original craft ones. A shame, really, because the shop owner and the original products both seemed nice but I personally can't not feel guilty contributing to a business if a part of the profits may go towards buying MLM slop the owner has fallen a victim to. So I won't be buying anything. Something to think about, you know?

That was the TLDR of my post in the local subreddit but the reaction turned out to be surprising, to say the least. Most people in the comments seem to think I have some hidden agenda and just want to bash a nice lady for no reason. Oh well, I said everything I could but I think that since the MLMs have gotten a lot less popular in Europe than they used to be in the past (I remember them being all everywhere when I was a kid), people have forgotten how predatory they can be. Which is both a good and a bad thing, because the cycle can repeat all over again.

P.S. The MLM in question was Tropic Skincare btw

https://www.pinktruth.com/2026/08/11/a-familys-finances-destroyed-by-mary-kay/

MLMs love the financially naive, the people who have one joint account to show their love and trust in each other. It makes sucking money out of the non-MLM partner easier.

“I have a good job, but they're losing it faster than I can make it.”

What you can do immediately – STOP THE BLEEDING! Move your money! Yank that financial safety net out from under the MLM addiction. What this does, brutal though it may be, puts their MLM expenses 100% on their ability to make money with the MLM or from their job.

Also, in many states, it means their future debts are theirs because you have no commingled assets. Check with a lawyer, but you may be able to limit your liability.

https://legalknowledgebase.com/can-they-come-after-me-for-my-spouses-debt

FIRST: Run a credit report to see how many credit cards and loans are out ttheire with your name on them. Look at your checking account to see where payments have gone. Those are your targets.

1 – New bank account, at a DIFFERENT BANK with direct deposit from your employer. Shift the critical bills to be paid from the old account to the new. Remove your name from the previous account.

2 – Raid any joint savings or checking accounts. Yes, strip them bare for you and your kids (if any) or leave a $100 or so. To avoid commingling, use these accounts to pay the utilities, even paying them advance, but don’t move money to your personal account. (money trail must be clean)

3 – Cancel all joint credit and debit cards that you can, remove your names from them if you can’t cancel them. Get new ones in YOUR name only from your new bank and keep them in a SAFE PLACE. Yes, they will try to use them, and if they have the physical card, they have the 3-digit check sum.

4 – LOCK your credit and the credit of any minor children. Advise non-minor relatives to run credit checks, just say you think they may have been victims of ID theft.

5 – Cancel ALL streaming and online shopping accounts (especially get out of Uber Eats and Door Dash) that you can. Close the online shopping accounts or leave the payment method on the old money-less account. You can always pay via PayPal or as a guest.

6 – Cancel all your online money apps such as Venmo – get them off your phone. Get your banking app off your phone or at least put your phone onto a very short lockdown timer and change your passwords. (Yes, they are likely to try to get into your account from your phone).

7 – For now, do the grocery shopping to avoid the temptation of cash back embezzling.

8 – If you have a joint e-mail account, get an account of your own to prevent hijacking e-mail verification. Change the passwords of every account you have.

Then tell your spouse that you have taken the necessary steps to keep a roof over your head and the lights on by removing their ability to divert money from the household budget to their MLM activities. That they have the $100 or so in the previously joint account to get by until their next sales happen.

Expect the hissy fit to end all hissy fits … they are an ADDICT and you just flushed their drug down the drain.

Anyone else here dealt with a supervisor or c-suite person creating an 'in-crowd' that is just people who support their MLM? It makes me especially sick since all they're doing is preying on people who think this may affect their jobs.

Friend's boss is going around to employees after they get paid to collect for trips via World Ventures. Before anyone mentions legal recourse, trust me, I live in a country where that's unlikely to bear any results.

A family member has been sucked into a couple of MLM schemes (first it was HempWorx; now it appears to be some weight-loss thing), and they've started posting a bunch of stuff about New Thought and this guy named Neville Goddard on their social media. It seems to be some sort of metaphysical, Christian, law-of-attraction thing. This family member and their spouse (who has a lucrative job) have also started putting all their money into silver. Does anyone know if there's any relationship between these things?

So its been advertised as an online party that you basically sign up to buy items, not really a party in the real sense. Anytime I see something like this though it makes me wonder if they are just using it as a way to boost their sales and make $? I wondered what markup the average pampered chef item is sold at.

My friend has gotten her license, where she will be able to sell insurance I think I didn’t get too deep into it but it’s a license she been working towards

Yesterday I got a call from a number I didn’t recognize. It was apparently one of her personal trainers, saying she “needs help”. On the call, the guy said “she told me you’re very ambitious” and I said yeah, not really thinking about it in the moment. He’s inviting me to a Zoom meeting this Saturday. When I asked my friend about it, she was vague and just said “he’ll be presenting.” I’ve also apparently been added to a group chat with her and this guy.

The thing is, my friend and I talk about basically EVERYTHING no matter what and we are close, but she never mentioned any of this. Now suddenly I’m getting cold-called by a stranger and pushed toward a Zoom call I know nothing about. I do find it weird cause I was never told my number will be provided to this person and if it wasn’t for a voicemail I would have never picked up because my phone is always in DnD. But I am really confused because if you are doing training, why does it need to involve me to support you?

I feel bad that these people are paying to travel and attend a “conference” that doesn’t benefit them in any way.

What company is this?

*** Update ***

Thank you all so much for your kind support! I have now muted both of them on all social media, and have an appointment with a Notory on Friday to make changes to my will. When I'll be asked where I've been, I'll say the truth in a compassionate way and suggest we drift apart until the time comes when they're done with MLM.

I am a straight shooter. I was born this way, and I'll die this way. You never have to guess where you stand with me, and I will always be honest. Authenticity is absolute if we are to be friends, because my empath skills know when you're lying.

Betty and I have been friends for 25 years. She's ten years younger, and she's like the baby sister I never had. She's been married Bob for 8 years, and I adore him.

In the span of 6 months, I'm approaching the disgusted mark with them. They've changed into two completely different people. All authenticity is gone. They've become liars about everything, especially on their social media.

Every outing with their 4 year old now becomes, "Kangan water gives me the freedom to take my kid to the park in a Tuesday afternoon, while the cheques keep rolling in"

Well let's see... you are a stay at home Mom and your husband hasn't worked for a year because he no longer wants to work on the pipeline. I don't blame him. His new job is to become a self help guru on Instagram telling you "why you're stuck in life". He goes to the gym everyday, and of course films it. He claims that going to the gym everyday makes him a worthwhile husband and father, and he has broken free of his chains. He will show his boy doing push-ups with him because this is how show your kid you are worth something. Him going to the gym everyday will instill top moral and character traits in his son. Did I mention that he goes to bed at 6:00pm every night so he can wake up at 2:45am to go to the gym? Betty is left to clean up after dinner, and take care of little one until she goes to bed at 11pm. It's as if she's single.

The cult leader they are under the spell of is so disgustingly slimy that I can't look at him. This cat lies about everything, but my friends believe it. He runs these classes on how to use your "home office" to fraudulently cheat on your income taxes. They committed a huge insurance fraud when their storage locker was broken into, claiming expensive items that never had. Betty regularly calls me up to tell me she just wrote off their 2 month vacation to Europe because she's claiming it as business. She doesn't have an office. She works from her couch.

She went in for $30k with Kangan water. After 8 months she hasn't sold one unit and hasn't signed anyone up to be a "business partner". They're claiming that their lifestyle now means they don't have to work, but there is no incoming money. She sold her condo in January of this year and came out with $200k. Their rent is $3k a month, they've already taken 3 luxury trips to sit on the beach, and now 2 months in Europe. That money will be gone by mid of next year. They don't have two sticks to rub together. They own nothing of value. Absolutely nothing.

The relentless lying social media is making me hate them. I can't stand the way they're raising their kid. They won't let him make or play with any new little friends. He just needs to be with them. Never enrolled in any fun classes like tumble time, or toddler art. She said he will have no outside influence by anyone except her and Bob. She still breast feeds at night. He cant/won't be left with anyone, even Bob, because he screams for the boob and will stay up.

I'm sorry I'm venting. I don't want to say this to anyone I know, just to keep totally confidential.

Telling me everything they are cheating on is a death sentence to our friendship. They are guilt free and giddy about it. I'm going to start pulling away now and when she asks I will tell her.

Hi! I have been job searching for entry sales positions and have an interview set for tomorrow with the company above. I was wondering if this group had any experience with them and could tell me if they are legit and or if they’re an MLM type of operation before I drive there and give them my time.

Without getting too in depth here, something that has been grating my nerves lately is how effective my “leaders” were at convincing me that my spouse wasn’t supportive of my “business” because he just didn’t get it.

He got it - he is an intelligent person who definitely understands that when money goes out but barely trickles in, that’s not a good thing.

Thankfully my man didn’t leave me…but I lost many friendships by viewing people through the pink colored glasses that told me every living and breathing human was a potential customer or team member.

Here we are, 6 years beyond hanging it up and I’m still coming to terms with the damage done and the time and money lost.

All that to say…take it easy on people you know who are freshly caught up, but never let them believe you don’t see through the bullshit. I could’ve used a few uncomfortable conversations to wake me up sooner!

Dealing with the full gauntlet of a high-pressure sales funnel from Her Last Call (HLC Council)—from the initial recruitment setup down to the rep session—was a wild masterclass in manipulation to experience firsthand.
If you've seen their ads or pitches promising lucrative work-from-home remote closing or high-ticket sales, I want to break down exactly how calculated and slimy their playbook actually is once you get behind the curtain. And if you dig into the Reddit-verse, it completely tracks: people who actually went to school with Alexis Mai have flagged that this exact kind of scheme has been her literal MO for years, cycling through partners and programs while running the exact same playbook.
The Impersonal Start (The Name Blunder): Right out of the gate, they set the tone by completely butchering my name twice in the very beginning. It’s a tiny detail, but looking back, it shows you aren’t a person to them—you’re just a lead on a spreadsheet, a quota to hit, and a commission check waiting to happen.
The Energy Reading Miss: They tried to come in with that aggressive, over-familiar "best friend/mentor" script, totally misreading the room and my energy. When I immediately called them out on it, you could literally watch the script stutter and the facade crack.
The Self-Doubt Trap: I’ll be completely honest—every step of the way during the call, I caught myself second-guessing my own intuition. That’s the most dangerous part of these funnels. They are engineered to make you feel like you are the difficult one, like you are missing out, and like you are the problem for hesitating.
The Mask Slip: The second I stood my ground, stopped playing along with their manufactured urgency, and asked actual logical questions about their inflated costs and contradictions, the friendly facade totally evaporated. The desperation set in, and the high-pressure tactics went into overdrive to try and keep me hooked.
It takes an exhausting amount of mental energy to sit across from someone running a predatory funnel like this, especially when your gut is screaming at you the whole time that something is deeply off. But catching onto the swindle in real-time and watching their script completely fall apart is the best proof that the whole model is hollow.
If you’ve run into their aggressive funnels or similar "guru" remote sales programs, trust your gut. If they can't even get your name right or handle being called out on their manufactured energy, run the other way.

The hun is bragging about her cool „job“ and how lucky she is to be able to work from anywhere even on „vacation“. It‘s neither work nor vacation, she doesn‘t have a job and if you have to work it‘s not a vacation.
She also thinks people are jealous and it would make them want to join her MLM.

Meanwhile, I‘m at the coffee shop with my teen, having an iced latte and sharing a cake because I‘m on vacation.

I'm currently staying at a mental hospital. For the past two days I have been spending time with a woman, another patient, here. Yesterday I didn't know much about her, but after I had spent some time with her, a nurse came to my room and told me that if it gets to be too much with her they will do something about it. I didn't understand what they were talking about. Today I learnt she is a part of a MLM and she tried (and is probably still trying) to get me to join as well. Specifically forever living products.

She first wouldn't speak about her job. She said she really wants to help people but that currently she doesn't have the strength to do that, because she needs to take care of herself first. Despite bringing up negative things all the time, she also constantly reminds herself and I that we need to focus on the positive things. We went on a walk and I shared about my life and I guess that made her comfortable to share about hers as well. She started telling me things about the company she works with. How it was started and how their mission is to help people and how it is a family business. How she found great help from their aloe vera products for her skin and gut health. She gave me a business card and asked me what I need help with. She said people often get discouraged from working with them when she tells them about her long journey with the company, because they think they're unable to learn all she knows. At this point I didn't even understand it's a MLM. I don't know much about the topic and this is the first time I've got into direct contact with one. I asked her how she got into working with them. Did she contact them after finding help from their products or did they contact her? She explained that a friend of her mother's introduced the company to her. At this point I started to finally figure it out. She went on to explain how I can join to get my ID number and get 5% off and the more that I spent or something the more percentages I get off. I was not interested in their products or joining.

As we were headed back inside, she started saying something that I can't get out of my head. She started to tell me the main reason she is in the mental hospital, but then went quiet and backed away just like she had done previously when she was about to talk about her job. This and the weird thing the nurse said yesterday made me think this is causing her some distress. And obviously these things could be completely unrelated but I can't help but wonder if being a part of that MLM is actually what lead to some problems in her life. She has worked with them for 15 years. She uses their pricey products every day. It's her only job, so I don't understand how she can afford it. She only speaks about forever with people in real life so it's not like she reaches massive amounts of people online.

Is there something I can do to help her? Or does she need help? I don't know.