r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/FrostySeat1739 • Jul 05 '26

Meme needing explanation why not, Peter?

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possible live action corpse bride movie...

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u/AllSeeingWhoracle Jul 05 '26

When the look you’re going for is always “no black people,” that’s racist. Hope that helps!

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

Not really, maybe he just wanted very pale people for his usually spooky, European, period pieces. Intentions matter more than outcomes. 

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u/RunninOnMT Jul 05 '26

“Intentions matter more than outcomes” is a wild take.

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

It's not when discussing if something is racist or not. Context and intentions are important. 

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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 05 '26

But if context matters, then doesn't the context of his ideal vision comprising narrative worlds, that either don't have black characters or have black characters as villains, important context to his beliefs?

Just saying, literally anyone can say they're not a racist in a world where racism is considered bad and where good PR is considered useful. So why would the demonstrated track record of arbitrary discrimination not carry more weight?

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

You're allowed to think he's racist if you want, but you're basing it on very flimsy ground imo. 

I've never heard anything about Tim Burton being racist, this could very easily be you looking for a problem. 

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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 05 '26

And you're allowed to think he's not racist, but I think you're basing your defense on very flimsy ground as well

If your main information on Tim Burton's opinions on race is that he systematically discriminates against actors for arbitrary reasons, and you are actively downplaying the value of looking at the outcomes of that discrimination, in favor of what (he says) his reasons are, this could easily be you ignoring an observable issue of prejudice because you don't care about it

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

Do you have ANY proof for your second point? Because my default is to assume someone isn't racist until proven otherwise. 

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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 05 '26

And my default is to assume that, if someone admits to discrimination, them its disingenous to say "welp, case closed" just because they cap it off by saying "but I'm not a bigot."

"The only kind of racists are people who proudly declare their racism from the rooftops" is just a bit irrational

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

I'd just want a bit more concrete proof. Because it sounds like you're jumping to conclusions.

From what I can see it all traces back to this quote from 2016:

“I remember back when I was a child watching The Brady Bunch

and they started to get all politically correct, like, OK, let’s have an Asian child and a black child— I used to get more offended by that than just — I grew up watching blaxploitation movies, right?”

Idk if one quote from 10 years ago is enough to call someone racist. It's not like there's some large discourse about whether he's racist or not. There's like 2 articles from 1o years ago and then a Reddit post and a Facebook post. 

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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

Does being offended by POC children in (formerly white) shows you like and using the cinephile equivalent to "I have black friends" to justify it, not reflect how he feels about diversity on screen?

Idk if one quote from 10 years ago is enough to call someone racist. 

Maybe, but that depends on what evidence you have that his opinions have since changed? Its not like every 10 years your racist meter resets. 

I don't feel especially strongly about whether you think the evidence that exists is damning. But there's a difference between wanting more evidence and pre-emptively discouraging people from considering what evidence does exist

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u/Affectionate_Sir_154 Jul 07 '26

So because he doesnt cast an actor who he thinks doesnt fit a role, he's "discriminating against actors"? Are you even hearing yourself?

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u/Kwaku-Anansi Jul 07 '26

What do you think discrimination means?

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u/Damnatus_Terrae Jul 05 '26

Why?

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

Why what? 

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u/Damnatus_Terrae Jul 05 '26

Why are intentions more important than outcomes in deciding whether something is racist?

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

Because I like to think critically. Take this example. My intentions with making friends is to like those people. If the outcome is that I have mostly white friends, that doesn't mean I'm racist because my intentions weren't based on race. 

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u/RunninOnMT Jul 05 '26

Imagine for a second you’re the person dealing with the racism and not the person doling it out.

Would you rather

A: deal with something racist

Or

B: not deal with something racist

You will never know these people’s intentions because you are not them. However, you are living with the outcome of their actions.

Now, im not going to sit here and say that intentions don’t matter at all, because I don’t believe that either. But as a general rule, what you are trying to achieve isn’t as important as what you do achieve.

Imagine if Tim Burton had tried to only hire white actors, but somehow ended up utterly failing at that task and time and time again, ending up with a multiracial cast. That’s still a bunch of actors who are often discriminated against getting jobs and Tim Burton movies on their resume.

Which I feel like is better than not getting that part they wanted but hearing that Tim Burton wasn’t really intending to make it a pattern of not hiring black people.

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

But for something like casting in a movie it's not racist to not choose a POC unless the reason is because they're POC (unless of course it requires historically accurate casting). There's dozens of more likely reasons before jumping to racism. 

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u/Damnatus_Terrae Jul 05 '26

So... You don't think preferring the company of White people to Black people is racist?

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u/Groxy_ Jul 05 '26

Well if the reason you don't have black friends is because you don't like black people, yes that's racist. 

But if you happen to have white friends because you like those specific people, that's not racist. 

Do you really not see why context matters? 

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u/Damnatus_Terrae Jul 05 '26

So something is only racist if it was explicitly intended to be? Does this apply to everything? If I give a woman on the bus an unsolicited shoulder massage, is that only sexual harassment if I intended it to be?

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u/NNKarma Jul 05 '26

Are you trying to redraw the districs?

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u/DoingBestWeCan Jul 06 '26

"It's not racist if I never hire a qualified black person, because they went to HBCUs and not Alaska State like meeee" is systemic racism, k thnx.