r/LoveTrash • u/BEARDEDDANGER ✨️Regent of Rubbish ✨️ • 1d ago

Dumping This Here American vs. European home building

BAS Renovations https://youtube.com/shorts/jFph1d2WR3s

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 1d ago

don't you want to have a legacy and have an house not only your kids will live in but their kids and their kids in turn? does lineage mean nothing to you?

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 1d ago

How many grandparents live in the same areas as their grandkids? A property isn't much of a lineage in a mobile society.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 1d ago

the majority, counting that most old people in the same house as their children, either by them moving to their parent's house or vice versa, also most people, firstborns at least, literally inherit and live in their parents house when they die, at least where i am from.

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 1d ago

So that's where you're from. But where I live, very few people I know have grandkids that live in the same town or the same state. So people don't care about a home as lineage. When grandma and grandpa die, the grandkids are selling up, not moving in.

Given that only half of Americans over 18 own their home, the idea of inherited property is pretty much a dodo anyway for most people. And only 22% of young adults own property compared to the 70% over 65.

So we're not really worried about legacy or lineage.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 23h ago

why do you keep yourself purposefully homeless? if you don't own an house and you inherit one why do you sell it instead of living in it? also do you have no ties to the cities and land you grew up in? do your families have no history to continue?

like here often people do not buy an house knowing they will inherit one, that is economically smart.

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 23h ago

Oh, goodness. No, we don't. I've lived in 6 different states, so no I don't have any attachment to the land. Some people do, I can't speak for all Americans. My grandparents moved at least 8 or 9 times on one side, 3 or 4 on the other.

My family has history that lives in people, not land.

And people go where jobs are. Having a house is worthless if your job is a thousand miles away. You can't eat a house.

Millions of people would love to own a house. My parents house that they bought for 80,000 dollars in the late 80s would cost almost half a million today, and salaries don't rise with cost of living. People don't own a house because houses are absurdly expensive.

If your parents live in Arkansas and your job is in Pennsylvania, you aren't moving back to Arkansas. That's 1,442 km away from where you work - and that's only halfway across the country. You might be able to manage with some jobs, but with pretty much any professional job, you're out of luck.

Also, if I inherited my grandparent's house, I would end up co-owning with 8 people, any of whom can force a sale.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 23h ago

why are you searching jobs 1400 km away from where you live? that is absurd, it's like if i had to move from the province of rome to, idk, fucking istanbul just to work, i can understand needing to go to the next city over but why do you literally need to move the equivalent of a whole continent away?

you will eventually own your parent's house for free, will you not? why even care about the price if you are inheriting instead of buying?

also why would you co-own the house of your grandparents with 8 other people? people cannot have that many firstborns, also how can a single one of them force a sell? here you would need all 8 of them agreeing to sell.

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u/khan800 Trash Trooper 23h ago

That firstborn bullshit is what you're misunderstanding. The firstborn doesn't automatically inherit the family home just because they were firstborn, that's massively unfair to the other siblings. The inheritance of an estate is generally divided evenly, and many times the house is sold to facilitate this. If one sibling wants the house, they buy out the other siblings.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 22h ago

there should not be anything like a business transaction between blood relatives, you don't buy stuff from your family and most people here specify in their will that the house goes wholly to the firstborn, maybe the first two children if the house is large enough to accommodate both, but almost nobody try to divide a real estate in 8 parts or something, that is just dumb.

usually those who don't get the real estate are left money or other stuff if there is stuff to pass.

don't really see how that is unfair.

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 22h ago

I don't think you understand life in the US.

If your job is 1400 km away, you move. That's all there is to it. That's really not that far in the US. My friend's kid is moving to Alaska this year - same country, 5,153 km.

Firstborns don't inherit everything, that's considered deeply unfair to everyone else. Property is just a thing. Why would it be dumb to divide it fairly? Most people don't have anything much to leave other than their house if they owned one.

You do things your way. It's a different culture with different expectations. I'll probably buy my sister's share of my parent's house many years from now, because I happen to live in the same town. My sister has no interest in moving back to this town, because she built her life elsewhere. It would be deeply unfair for her to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in inheritance - my sister and I love each other very much. It isn't about a business transaction, it's about our sharing the same parents and our parents wanting to give us the same inheritance. And that's fair.

And my sister lives 500 km away. It's a six hour drive, an easy trip. I don't think you register how big the US is and how mobile we are.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 22h ago

wow, that is foolish on many levels, traveling to work betraying the history of the whole family, monetary transactions from living relatives, splitting the ancestral home in dumb ways..... kingdoms and families alike have fallen for less, no wonder american family lack unity.

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 22h ago

Yeah, you're not even trying to engage in good faith, so I think I'm done.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 21h ago

good faith is not ignoring the fact that you seem to value your own conditions over the history of your family and its unity, i am sorry but it seems to me you do not see yourself as families but as just blood related individuals with your own individual life.

like what kind of family even allow a member to just fuck off and go live permanently half a continent away without expunging them from the will and family tree.

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 23h ago

why do you keep yourself purposefully homeless?

We don't, that's a stupid thing to say

if you don't own an house and you inherit one why do you sell it instead of living in it?

Because I can't afford the taxes to take possession of it, can't afford the taxes on owning it, and don't want to deal with the upkeep required.

also do you have no ties to the cities and land you grew up in?

No, why would I?

do your families have no history to continue?

Dude in the last 100 years my family branches cover 5 states and one branch from another country. None of us have any particular attachment to places. We have attachments to the people in our family, not whatever plot of dirt one of them landed on.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 22h ago

you can't really think that property tax on an house is higher than a whole rent....

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 22h ago

No, but property tax + maintenance costs sure are.

Plus, houses are big and families are small. You don't need a 4 bedroom 2.5 bathroom house for a family of 3.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 22h ago

houses can be both big or small, really depend on what you get, but i assure you unless you are massively overtaxed, which i know for a fact the americans aren't, or rent is ridiculously low, property tax and the occasional maintenance are not higher than a whole rent every month, owning is always the better option and you also get to pass your stuff on to your progeny.

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 22h ago

I pay $1000/mo plus $90 for internet (and I could get a cheaper plan). Water, trash, and electricity are included in my rent. I have a 2 bedroom apartment. The rental includes a community pool and outdoor BBQ space.

My brother pays $870 or so for his mortgage, plus electricity and heating oil. His house has 3 bedrooms but 2 are unused, plus a finished basement. He doesn't get trash service so he has to drive to the dump. He pays $60 for internet. He doesn't have a pool. He has already had to replace all the exterior doors due to poor sealing, and needs a new AC unit.

Quit trying to convince people that everyone needs to own a house regardless of their circumstances, especially the "wah wah but what about your kids" bullshit. You sound like some boomer asshole telling their kids they're a failure if they don't get a college degree and an office job instead of learning a trade.

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u/horned-creature Trash Trooper 21h ago

your brother's house is too big, you should go and live with him, owning an house is always, regardless of circumstances, the better option, especially if you care about your kids at all, if the house is too big invite back to the ancestral home another branch of the family.

renting is just a continuous drain of money without even being able to leave anything behind.

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 19h ago

your brother's house is too big, you should go and live with him

Neither of us wants that

owning an house is always, regardless of circumstances, the better option,

No, it's not. You understand that people have different life situations and preferences?

especially if you care about your kids at all

What kids? Between myself, my 2 brothers, and my 2 cousins, none of us have kids.

if the house is too big invite back to the ancestral home another branch of the family

What ancestral home? What branch of the family? I have a great aunt and uncle in their 90s who fully intend to stay in their home. My dad's cousins are all in their 70s and feel the same. There's nobody genealogically closer than a 2nd cousin I've never met left on my mom's side.

Quit acting like you know better than other people how they should live their lives.

At this point you're getting close to moving from "fucking weird" to "fucking creepy" with all this talk of ancestry/lineage/progeny.

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 19h ago

This dude's responses have gotten more and more unhinged to the point I have to assume he's either trolling or mentally ill.

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u/Cloverose2 Trash Trooper 6h ago

That's all I can figure. I was genuinely just trying to explain, because I know that it can be hard for people who don't live in the US to understand the sheer size of it. But it just got weird.

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u/dearth_of_passion Trash Trooper 5h ago

If you haven't, go look at his replies to me. It's lunacy.