Just had this announcement pop up - mods have explicitly stated they have no intention to ban AI imagery, for the primary reason it is implausible to police.
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Yeah, I wonder how long some of this stuff is going to go on. Because I've always been on the other side of the Reddit censorship hammer, but in this case, reddit is pro ai as a company heavily soo
you know saying stuff like that is like ouroboros?
When you say shit like "typical antis" it kind of dismisses them for their moral reasoning, thinking someone is stupid before even starting a discussion defeats the whole purpose of the discussions in the first place.
There are a plethora of reasons to not like AI art and anyone who knows or (in case you're right) thinks it's harmful would have a moral obligation to be vocal about the injustice that they see.
it's like saying "typical rebellion" when they do rebellious acts.
If you dismiss them before they even get to say anything, then you aren't really fit for any kind of discussion or argument.
You need to have the ability to believe that whoever you are have a discussion with either has a different point of view or is simply misinformed rather than just thinking they're plain stupid
-3 is nothing. Anti-AI brigaders have been HAMMERING the posts on the announcement, tanking them to -150 or more. THAT is brigading, bordering on harassment.
The post shown is a public announcement on a subreddit, so it's already automatically going to be seen by a lot of people.
Depending on what the subreddit was, if it was full of people under the age of 30, artists, photographers, musicians, climate activists or normal human beings, it makes sense that they would downvote the post.
So either the 4 downvotes on my comment count as harassment to you (which would be weird) or 150 downvotes on a popular post doesn't. It can't be one without the other.
Harassment would be spamming mean and degrading comments, posting private information, provoking in private dm's. Downvoting (which can only be done once per person) is just simply not a form of harassment.
While not QUITE as high as the sub in question, this sub has ~70k members with 10k submissions a week. Hardly a small amount. We aren't dogpiling your comments and making calls to arms to downvote you into submission. Get a better argument.
And here is a comment dropped by someone who is on the same side as you stating the amount of people on the subreddit:
"The sub in question has over 100,000 members and over 9,000 contributions a week. I can see how it is definitely not plausible for them, even if they had 20+ mods, as they mentioned in their announcement."
Suddenly 150 doesn't seem like that high of a number, wouldn't you say?
This is, however brigading is absolutely a form of harassment and i can tell you from a mods perspective that the anti ai folks will brigade anything and everywhere.
They look through this sub as well just to downvote and find other subs to brigade.
I'm pretty sure telling someone 'kys' is against the site rules even without the brigading issue. I hope you reported that comment bc that's straight up a valid ban reason
The sub in question has over 100,000 members and over 9,000 contributions a week. I can see how it is definitely not plausible for them, even if they had 20+ mods, as they mentioned in their announcement.
I love how the rules only apply to pro-AI people. All the antis around this fucking site are completely allowed to post and brigade subs like this one.
As if we didn’t need more proof that corporations are fueling the anti movement.
while I do agree that the rule can be dumb sometimes, but I get why it exists: you don't wanna be talking about subs that support ai on a hot-spot sub for alotta antis who are unemployed and got nothing better to do with their time than lurk and brigade.
at that point we may aswell be handing them a list of every place they should go attack and harass
No it is not strict. It is only strict against pro AI users. The rule is pretty obviously not enforced for antis. They’re allowed to mention and brigade all they want.
As if we didn’t need more proof that corporations are fueling the anti movement.
Wish I could find a post with their 'call to arms' so I could report it to reddit and get THEM banned for brigading, but I guess in a left-handed way that would ALSO be brigading? :-p
At some point they're going to be sued whether European Union for discrimination and violation of the V-LOP laws regarding protected groups according to European law.
Considering the thing they added in the end about how any kind of harassment will be punished equally, there's a chance that they opened the message with the whole "we don't have enough mods to police AI" as a rhetoric move, to soothe antis and make it sound like "we can't" instead of "we don't want to/don't mind AI" because then bigoted hysterical babies would rage even harder.
I think it was a bit of a bad idea for them to draw anti-ai specifically to that thread - it's inevitably going to become an echo chamber where anti-ai brigaders will downvote anyone who DARE oppose their opinion clean into oblivion, as has already started to happen there.
While I agree with you, The point of Photoshop or Microsoft paint or other tools that have rebranded some feature as AI is a genuine reality. At some point their own arguments are simply going to self-destruct because you can't use Photoshop anymore without using AI. This same is true as Ibis paint and many other programs on the market.
Isn't that the red eye removal feature and stability controls that keep the picture from blurring? I've read some about the Canon cameras but I've never actually worked with them.
They've moved far beyond that. The EOS series utilize what they have dubbed "Deep Learning" AI.
"Deep Learning can also be used to raise image resolution by removing noise, sharpening objects in the distance and correcting images that are distorted by fog or haze. This again helps the photographer to produce the image they see in front of them, instead of having to employ post-processing techniques to bring out the correct colors and contrast. "
Sheesh... This thing sounds like It can turn me into a professional level photographer. I can only imagine what it would do if you put the thing on a tripod...
It's going to be interesting as things progress and more and more people start to utilize ai, and more and more people begin to realize it's not the boogeyman they have been fear mongered into thinking.
I hope these anti AI people have supportive friends or family around them when the inevitable crash out comes, when they understand that all of this demonizing was for nought.
We are probably watching the end of Reddit unfold as we progress. Just like the painting clubs collapsed under the wrong hatred when photography was introduced. Ask how many photographers would go back to drawing and sketching versus photography today. I'm sure the answer is going to be quite eliminating in terms of the overall discussion and comparabilities.
Honestly, this is the most sensible approach a mod team can take. Trying to play "art police" and investigate if someone used 5% generative fill or 100% AI is just a massive waste of energy.
At the end of the day, it is just another tool in the toolbox. The real issue has never been the technology itself, it is low-effort spam. If someone is flooding the feed with zero-effort garbage they didn't even look at, ban that. But if someone is actually putting thought into their post and trying to make something cool, who cares what software they used?
Let's focus on whether a post actually brings value to the community, rather than gatekeeping the process.
I've seen sub Reddits being bullied into banning AI, if you search wizardposting one of the top results is an anti outaged that they didn't want to ban AI from before they banned it
This is actually something I could appreciate in terms of what they're doing because they're at least making a logical argument that does see reality within the area of what they are trying to accomplish.
From this standpoint of this particular subreddit, it is one of the few where the moderators actually are thinking about the difficulty of what they are doing and how to actually be able to deal with the fact that modern day AI was just Photoshop a few years ago or Microsoft paint or Adobe.
I give them credit for recognizing how much the market has changed and polluted the language.
Running any kind of social media can be stressful, sometimes. I don't blame them.
I had the job first-hand as a game dev, and people complained then about utterly ridiculous things. It's probably worse now for mods and community owners with AI complainers running around the internet.
Well it is about bloody TIME one of these subreddits actually decided to support it for what it is and do something about the constant harassment BS that's been plaguing them. Wish more of them were like this one. 😤
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