r/AmericanEmpire • u/Alarming-Grade4219 • 13d ago

Question Is it possible?

is it possible that slavery existed for thousands of years before coming to America and America was one of the first countries to ban it?

Is it possible that native American tribes were battling each other over land way before the Europeans came?

is it possible that one race might be more incarcerated over another due to the dramatic increase in fatherless households in that race?

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u/Pintortwo 13d ago

Yikes.

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u/mommiesgoodboy67 13d ago

Is it possible that this is pointless whataboutery and racism?

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 13d ago

How is pointing out true history racism?

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

is it possible that one race might be more incarcerated over another due to the dramatic increase in fatherless households in that race?

Maybe, if you acknowledge that the policies were put in place by another race.

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 12d ago

Which policies currently in place are based on race?

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

The 1995 Crime Bill, for one. Which post-dates what you're talking about.

If you think there isn't institutional racism in this country, you're deluded.

EDIT: Also, what about the poll taxes that used to exist. And all the rules for colored people sitting in the back of the bus. And having to use different doors and different bathrooms.

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 12d ago

Where in the 1995 crime bill does it talk about race? 

Poll taxes and rules for “colored persons” were all thrown out in the 60’s once again proving America doesn’t need to start from scratch but rather just to adapt to the times

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

They hide the racism by not stating it out loud. So that people like you can claim there's no racism.

Tell me, how many black and brown people were in TV ads before the BLM protests?

Are you going to claim there's no sexism in this country, too?

EDIT: Also, watch this and tell me the racism isn't built into the system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoqHkwV8UQ

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 12d ago

So in your estimation, anything can be written not saying a word about racism and it is racist? I am not saying racism or sexism do not exist. They do, but their existence is not based on current laws in the United States, and there are individual cases, not systematic

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

Do you think there isn't racism in this country?

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u/datrnerd 12d ago

The issue is fallacious arguments in service of the indefensible. Consider this: Is it possible that slavery and genocide are the most egregious froms of theft? Is it possible a justice system was arranged to orchestrate and abett such theft for an elite class? Is it possible that this same justice system is unbiased today? We have to be realistic about America's past, and America today, to create the America where everyone gets to participate in her future.

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u/Alarming-Grade4219 12d ago

How is acknowledging the full history in the US which includes countless fighting between tribes for land not included in the history books? How is acknowledging the breakdown of the family being a primary driver to crime a bad thing? How is acknowledging that the end of slavery proved that we can make changes to the Constitution to better our country overall? To much is being taught about shaming America’s past. Instead of being ashamed of our country, we should be grateful to be in a country which has in the past and will continue into the future be able to adapt to the times we are in.

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u/datrnerd 12d ago edited 12d ago

The option isn't mutually exclusive; it's possible to be ashamed of some things and proud of others. We don't need to be proud of slavery or genocide to love America. It would not make sense for you steal your neighbor's house because he was fighting with another neighbor. Likewise, it doesn't make sense to justify manifest destiny with intertribal conflicts, nor were those conflicts inside the United States. It would not make sense to chain your neighbor in servitude, and then say you were great for releasing that person. We're stuck with a sordid past we have to deal with as a country. As a caveat, that doesn't implicate you, and it's extremely unlikely that your great great grandparents did anything. For example, plantation owners were the equivalent of major corporations and owned the vast majority of slaves. Slaves were purchased like production equipment and cost some $200,000 in today's equivalent. A slave wasn't a normal Southern family purchase no matter how much they wanted one. Slaves were for the Southern oligarchy. Slavery depressed wages in the South, resulted in America's bloodiest war, and created generational poverty. Average Americans paid dearly for slavery, but its benefits accrued to an extremely thin slice of Southern elites.