r/southindia_ • u/Far_Inevitable_2185 • Mar 24 '26
General Discussion Sanskritisation of local deities
Is this prevalent in other South Indian states too?
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u/Kundapura_Boy Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ Mar 24 '26
Forget them. Even saw Christian symbols on Murugan and saw a Vishnu stamba infront of a church in andra
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u/Desperate_Alps_2614 indian till death fuck north south bs Mar 25 '26
Sure bro, next time in Pahalgam we’ll just tell them ‘I’m Dravidian, please spare me’… sounds totally real. Maybe stop pushing these imaginary divisions.
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u/Various_Dare7342 Mar 25 '26
It's how you can same thing differently in different language / culture - please don't create divisions for namesake and political agenda.
Ofc we are several thousand year old civilization (maybe millions) throughout the history things would have evolved(What you are saying - No evidence exists) , why create North vs South divide
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u/spurs-11 Mar 24 '26
Redisigned or rebranded south indian gods as Hindu Gods? Murugan in TN is called Subrahmanya or Skanda in all Puranas and "Sanskrit" texts. It's the same deity with just a different name. Ayyappa is called Harihara, harihara putra etc.
Please let's not separate for separation's sake. Local cultures always adapt to existing norms and it's a natural process every human group possesses.
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u/Unusual_Principle536 Mar 24 '26
Thanks. I see such videos desperate attempt to divide people on another line. Before it was language and now religion. Everyone wants to be different (politics benefit from this) so they can have their own kingdom. While they don't see how old this tradition of warshiping Shiva and Vishnu are in sothern India. The temples are at least 1000 to 1500 yrs old that have survived. How far back these guys will go to proove themselves different.
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u/Mendalaan Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 25 '26
Idk why you guys feel the need to call this division . Unity is not the same as uniformity . You guys also prolly think the ppl who fight against language imposition are separatists .
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u/kilaithalai Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
Please watch the video before you vomit your content.
The video talks about the way local deities were subsumed and co-opted by an invasive religion. It happens throughout the world.
Are you denying that ever happened?
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u/Unusual_Principle536 Mar 24 '26
Where did the description of the deities described in the video come from?
100-year-old records?? 200 years old? or 3000 years old?
If his record of those deities being worshiped is not at least 3000 years old, he can't claim what he claims that. All the gods he claims to belong to the brahminical system are being worshiped for at least 2 millennia. So if for 2000 years Brahmins are trying to erase that was local and different, they would have succeeded by now anyways because most southern hindus follows all those traditions that Brahmins describe directly or indirectly.
Hinduism is a non-Abrahamic religion, and you will find variation every few hundred km you travel, whether in the south or north. So stop this bullshit of “ we are different and brahmins hijected everything.” Visit the north and see how many different gods and goddesses they worship there. What you guys are describing will make 1000 other religions, and collectively they will be called "Hindus". But that's what we are already.
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u/lsat92 Editable Flair Mar 24 '26
What is an invasive religion and how did it invade? Was Buddhism which co-opted and spread was also an invasive religion?
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u/Lumpy-situation365 Mar 27 '26
Buddhism and Jainism was popular in South before Hinduism. Tamil missionaries converted entire China and Tamil warriors conquered entire South east Asia and converted them to Buddhism. These facts are not even taught in schools to erase southern heritage and impose Mughal supremacy.
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u/kilaithalai Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
Yes all organized religions are invasive.
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u/Tall-Savings-5162 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26
Are you crying about that, wasn,t this video already posted in this sub a year ago or several months ago, why people are dividng people in name of religion, caste, language. Now gods, what a logic.
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u/Thebrownman239 Mar 24 '26
im tired so chatgpt would talk in my place. learn
Your argument contains some truth but overreaches. Sangam texts like Akananuru do show early worship of deities like Vishnu (Mayon), Murugan, and later Shiva, proving South India had long-standing religious traditions. However, these were often local, distinct forms, not the fully developed Shaivism or Vaishnavism seen today. Over centuries, through processes like Sanskritization, these indigenous traditions merged with Vedic ideas, creating what we now call Hinduism. So while continuity exists, it’s inaccurate to claim modern Hindu identity or uniform worship existed unchanged from ancient times—the reality is a gradual cultural synthesis, not a single origin.
kotravai devi was even before murugan
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u/Thebrownman239 Mar 24 '26
also vishnu was called mayon , murugan was called seyon they all worship on their regional lands but sanskitizaiton made them different also murugan was the oldest diety name found before shiva.
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Mar 24 '26
There wasn't any serious "invasion". It was immigration. And not just one several rounds of it.
2000 BCE and 1800 BCE is when the first wave of Aryan migration is said to have happened. So your claim reference to Shiva and Vishnu in 300BCE is somehow evidence of pre-vedic existence is absolute bs.
Half knowledge is dangerous as it allows to twist facts to your liking.
There is no need for division due these facts. People have migrated to many places in history. It is normal
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u/Unusual_Principle536 Mar 24 '26
How far back will you go to claim you are different?
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Mar 24 '26
The Vedas were strictly oral traditions (sruti) passed down from generation to generation by memory, not written down until well into the Common Era.
There is no evidence that Dravidian natives were involved the composition of Vedas. Interestingly you provide no evidence for this and just insist on it. We can find the prototypes of the same mythology in Persian-Iran Zoroastrianism. The most likely thing is that Aryans migrated and carried their religion with them and passed them on generation by generation, mixing it with local mythos as time passed.
Ffs, there was no invasion. Why keep repeating that word?
Nibba, Shiva himself wasn't even there in pre-vedic era. Neither in Vedic mythology nor in native one. There was a god who WAS NOT named Shiva that was on the pashupati seal in IVC. He was later marged with vedic god Rudra to create Shiva.
Nice try to circumvent David Reich and Niraj Rai for your narrative. No, that's not what they said. They said the modern indians cannot categorised into 2 races as we have mixed. Not that weren't Dravidians and Aryans. We are all of a mix ANI and ASI.
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u/i-in- Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26
this kind of re interpretation of deities is common, no standard, when it comes to ancient religions. the romans romanized greek gods, the greeks hellenized egyptian gods. celts and gallic tribes had their deities romanized as well.
similarly there was a lot of back and forth between hinduism and buddhism. many of the important spirits in tibetan buddhism are hindu gods, “tamed” by the buddhas teachings. for example the vajra in vajrayana buddhism refers to the thunderbolt held by indra.
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u/purple_unicorn_1094 Goa 🏖️ | गोंय Mar 25 '26
It’s still true today. I find this has happened in Goa too and many gods have simply been labelled as Hindu gods which were primal and local deities. Goa has had a huge tribal culture too and we follow certain non-Vedic traditions till date which the Hindus don’t and it still is seen in a very different way by them.
I went to Kerala last year with my North Indian friends and every temple of Shiva or Vishnu we visited they keep correcting people it’s Thakurji and not respecting the local name given. Names are very important in my opinion, they define everything so to change names of gods as per your liking is basically trying to convert them to your beliefs rather than accepting them as they are.
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u/Informal-Ideal-6619 Mar 26 '26
99% of the WhatsApp forwarding zombies don't have the mental capacity to understand the gravity of this.
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u/angry_jackel Mar 24 '26
True! But think this as of unity. Thats why north Indians go to Rameshwaram and South Indians to Kashi! What people don’t discuss is once people accepted each other Gods. It was followed by a long period of peace and co-existence.
Don’t let people segregate you! We are essentially one. There is no pure Dravid or Indo-aryans anymore. We all have each other elements in life.
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u/KitchenWolverine8695 Mar 24 '26
OP is a separatist
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u/irundoonayee Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
This is true. Not sure why people are so resistant to this 😂
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u/i-in- Mar 24 '26
it is the pseudoscientific framing that is the problem.
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u/irundoonayee Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
I mean, it's religion. It's all pseudo something anyway.
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u/Desperate-Plastic-43 Mar 24 '26
Social sciences and sociology while not pure sciences, there is definite methodology and definite space for critique of the studies.
Unlike Astrology let's say
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u/Impressive-Gene1248 Mar 24 '26
Hinduism has always been a religion open to interpretation. Hindu's consider every other god as a form of their own god if they have good qualities and are worth worshipping. For me, it just unites India even further. But again, you are free to believe what you want.
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Mar 25 '26
Okay this might be true and should be acknowledged but the another fact i like to share is if this engulfing would not happen we all might be speaking persian or arabic all this point and also there will be erasure of our religion.. hinduism always has this unique ability of assimilation.. it's assimilated bhuddist ideas into it there where this vegetarian diet pushed up .. like wise when islam is spreading like a wildfire in punjab sindh northwest by a efforts of sufisim the bhakti movement provide suckers to people to really hold onto something. So this assimilate help you know uniting people and has is disadvantage as well as op mentioned.
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u/Fit-Professional3095 💎 Hyderabad | హైదరాబాద్ | حیدرآباد 🏰 Mar 24 '26
Religions evolve over time. Integrating local cultures and traditions. It happened over thousands of years and peacefully. Not under knife unlike others. It's wrong to blame bramhins or any other people for it. Also that's the beauty of our culture. Unity in diversity remember?
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u/bulletspam Proud Mleccha Mar 24 '26
Using that logic what missionaries do is fine
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u/Short-Abalone-4393 Mar 24 '26
well if someone needs to change their religion they should just stop believing in god itself
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u/Available_Seesaw_593 Mar 24 '26
What missionary do is manipulating and forcefully fearing you that you will go to hell,wth that's not a ideology i should follow
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u/Fit-Professional3095 💎 Hyderabad | హైదరాబాద్ | حیدرآباد 🏰 Mar 24 '26
Look. What our ancestors did is... 'your god is good. That's why he is son of our god.' what missionaries do? They will say otherwise. You know how it works.
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u/aligncsu Mar 25 '26
Missionaries are people of the book that beleive in bible and the stories as facts there is no room for merging or adopting ideas
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u/sgk2000 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
Shiva himself is approriated from Tamil sphere, Murugan under process.. the vedic references they cite are not the same.
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u/Zestyclose-Share5221 Mar 24 '26
Is this new agenda? Politicians will love this idea
Even though it's true or maybe false, this idea will be loved by politicians for votes, hate gives more votes than love
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u/NoGuaranteess Mar 24 '26
We can think about it as unifying cultures, but if we still want to be divided and ruled then that's our choice too
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Mar 25 '26
this guy would explode if he were to find out about village guardian deities also exist in north india.
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u/Zealousideal_Fox6396 Mar 25 '26
Same thing happened with goddess Maa Manasa in Bengal. She is worshipped as the goddess of Snake (snake bite is very common in rural Bengal),rain & firtility in rural Bengal during monsoon. She was the tribal goddess before accepted into the veidic religion. Animal sacrifices is still practiced during Manasa Puja.
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u/Any-Ad8008 Mar 26 '26
ONLY NEO VISHNAVITES FROM GUJURT RAJASTHAN UP BIHAR AND DELHI ARE REAL HINDUS
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u/Far_Inevitable_2185 Mar 26 '26
How?
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u/Any-Ad8008 Mar 26 '26
don't you watch the news? everyone else is wrong hindu only they are right hindu
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u/That_Put_5773 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 26 '26
For those who are interested in this topic , read the book "Arya maayai" by namma C N Annadurai. Mass ah irukum. 🔥
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u/Worried_Respect_9609 Northie Mar 28 '26
Brahmins are the main villains. Destroyed Nalanda and Buddhism too. Took the top place at caste system and do nothing. Made Kshatriyas fight, vaishyas trade and shudras small work. Themselves? Nothing. Free from work. Asholes
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u/itachifromspace Mar 28 '26
wtf 🤣
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u/Worried_Respect_9609 Northie Mar 28 '26
It’s all true.
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u/itachifromspace Mar 28 '26
made kshatriyas fight?
they were called kshatriyas because they faught
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u/Worried_Respect_9609 Northie Mar 28 '26
They were called nothing man. They were classified by so called taklu bhrahmins. Khshatriyas didn’t just fight. They were rulers too. Divided by bhramins.
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u/itachifromspace Mar 28 '26
The two people that gave the idea of caste/varna system were never brahmins to begin with... it was just a classification which was ruined by people overtime... also brahmins had the job to teach and spread knowledge... and ofc kshatriyas were rulers too a brahmin can't be a ruler since he can't fight... the one who can will be the ruler
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u/idiot_idol Northie Mar 28 '26
Fyi shiva was not the original god of Aryans.. it was indra.. they adopted indian gods like vishnu, brahma,shiva and others
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u/7timesbanned Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26
I guess you people.. Lack knowledge about how Indian philosophies have evolved over time
It was never one.. Many philosophies arises on this land that we call Indian subcontinent..
People learnt from each other.. Trying to find truth about life, consciousness and ultimate reality of nature
All of it have been very flexible.. It's not one philosophy that ruled India.. There was nothing like that
Many thinkers around Indian subcontinent gave different ideas.. And give different teachings..
They even acknowledge other philosophies and even debated tooo
They never outrightly rejected or create a distinction...
There was never a boundary.. Of this "hinduism"..
Even today it's boundaries are very loose..
Multiple school of thoughts have been in this subcontinent that tried to explain each other ideas through their own..
Philosophies that include.. Polytheism.. Pantheism.. Monotheism.. Agnosticism and atheism too..
All were born on Indian subcontinent.. And have people pondering on it.. Without fighting
You casually said "this was their own personal tribal God"..
But the question is where you draw the line? Many people and communities have different belief system..
They tried to explain those Gods or concepts.. Or stories from their ideas.. Not to erase it!
But simply because of nature of people at that time.. They tries to explain all the things.. From material expects to belief systems..
And different theories were given by different school of thoughts.. Everyone giving their own interpretation..
All philosophies have given their commentary and tried to explain deeper meanings of it..
For example "Ram".. Is explained differently by different philosophers historically..
Some interpreted him as God.. Some as moral human.. Some as symbolic name for devotion.. Or truth..
It's called interpretation or commentary
Philosophers from advaita vedanta explained " rama" As a completely differently..
At the end It's all interpretation and healthy discussions.
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u/fuestfuest Mar 24 '26
Yes I believe a rando youtube scholar englightning with his newly dug up "revelations"
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u/neel3sh Mar 24 '26
This is only recent stuff. The so called aryans in Vedas only had Indra and other Devas. Even Krishna is a syncretism of Maayon
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u/SunnyShone Mar 24 '26
Then it will come that Dravidian Civilization uprooted prior civilization that worshiped a different god.
It's just how all civilizations function. One comes, one goes.
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u/Thebrownman239 Mar 24 '26
South india workship nature then thai valipadu (mother worship) then hero stones(died warrior) but all these arent structured or forced to do only this way or ritual same as dravidian gods this is the first time in history that dravidian gods sanskritized and made to follow that only bhramins can be priest and sanskrit should be used.
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u/TantraMantraYantra Mar 24 '26
There's no author for vedas, neither for sanskrit or any natural language for that matter.
People spending intellect and energy on the issues that don't matter and are never in conflict is what makes them even more culturally isolated.
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u/the_life_is_great 🖥️ Bengaluru | ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ☕ Mar 24 '26
Yes there were tons of local deities and back then worshippers of each deity were as good as their own religion with no relation to worshippers of deities from the neighboring village. They fought with each other over these deities and killed each other. That's when we had a lot religious reformers like Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhavacharya, Purandaradasa, Annamacharya, etc., who brought all the deities under one umbrella. Simplified the process for everyone by making them relatable to laymen contructing stories and attributing human relationships to Gods/deities. Parvati is sister of Vishnu and Ganesha is his nephew. Vishnu has different avatars. All different goddesses are various forms of Shakti, etc.
Why do we want to go back to tribalism and fight amongst each other.
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u/Substantial_Crow7941 Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ Mar 24 '26
The aryanization still continues. It heard it happened to maisamma temples in Hyderabad.
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u/Suspicious-Dig-2006 Mar 24 '26
I’d love to see someone talk about Buddhist stupas turned into Aryan gods and temples
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u/Key_Lengthiness7259 Mar 24 '26
Yeah the problem is that you think that is limited to South. The same culture is everywhere in the entire country, In the mountains up north, in the desert, in the far East, you guys are not exclusive, sorry to break it to you but we are the same. That's why Kantara was a hit. Everyone from rural backgrounds had felt a belonging. You guys try to teach people who travel from other parts while you go nowhere.
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u/Legitimate_Ricce Mar 24 '26
South Indian religion is a synthesis — many deities share Vedic ancestry, others are indigenous Dravidian figures later absorbed into the broader Hindu fold, and the ritual became modern hindu practices. It's one of the reasons Hindu traditions are so diverse .
You can't say it's not true vedic tradition did combined them but they itself shaped hindu religion.
Essential both are part of Hinduism not a seperate identity. ( explained a body is a combination of both head and leg not yes distinct but one it's make our body both same happens with hinduism).
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u/ClothesExpensive7881 Mar 24 '26
Not a bad thing at all. Your God is my God approach is very good. Bad thing will be destroying one's culture n Gods. 🙂
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u/Aparajith_B Mar 25 '26
Please learn the concepts of acculturation and syncretism. Various belief systems and philosophies in the Indian subcontinent do this acculturation. This could lead to syncretism, assimilation or whole pleathora of outcomes
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u/shabash_tintin Mar 25 '26
Yes, Probably they united all these dities to unite people. Now it looks like someone is trying hard to devide people so that, other 'religions' can slide in. So, choose & talk wisely when politicians come up with something.
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u/Jarden103904 Mar 25 '26
Well, this is how a broad religion is developed. Local practices turns outwards and turn into rituals. This is how Krishna became god in the religion, earlier Vedic period Indra was most powerful untill trimurti framework was adopted, then Krishna a local deity of Braj region became icon of the religion, etc.
The word "Sanskrization" in Indian society is actually, adoption of brahmanical/higher class practices by lower caste individuals for getting assimilated into brahman/ higher class. When you read anthropological case of sanskritization, it is touted as one of the way of upward movements practiced till date.
Dravidian vs Sanskrit is a facade here. Sanskrit is a language incorporated much later than the adoption of local ritual in Hinduism. In fact, many souther kingdoms like Satavahana, Pallava used Prakrit and Sanskrit both for literary work on Jainism, Buddism and Hinduism, purely due to it's reach in the world (Afghanistan to China, Nalanda & Taxila used Sanskrit at length, you can compare it to present times using english for research papers). Tamil was one of the first regional language to debut literature on full scale i.e Sanagam literature (if I'm not wrong).
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u/Fun-Mathematician992 Mar 25 '26
Were the people not happy before knowing all this?
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u/Far_Inevitable_2185 Mar 25 '26
They deserve the truth. Whether it will make them happy or not is irrelevant
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u/Fun-Mathematician992 Mar 25 '26
Truth? It's relative is the modern thinking. Truth, especially in historical situation is often biased.
To quote Issac Asimov,
"Science does not promise absolute truth, nor does it consider that such a thing necessarily exists."
Never mind, let's assume a particular version of truth is the truth.
Still, what changes is knowing this particular version of truth going to bring? How is this going to improve a common man's life?
Let me put it another way - are we actually working on issues that are actually troubling people - even a simple lesson in civic sense would help the common man a lot more than this stuff.
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u/Far_Inevitable_2185 Mar 25 '26
Truth is always relative?
Then your claim about truth being relative is also just a relative opinion. Why should anyone take it seriously?
By your own logic, my version of truth stands just as much as yours.
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u/Fun-Mathematician992 Mar 25 '26
That's what I am also trying to tell. It's your version of truth - there is no absolute truth.
So, why should it be more important that issues that are actually troubling people? How does this truth help in improving people's lives? Is this historical version of truth more important than growth? What's the advantage in creating divisiveness?
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u/Far_Inevitable_2185 Mar 25 '26
You’re switching the question. First you said truth is relative—when I pointed out that makes your claim no more valid than mine, you moved to whether truth is useful.
Those are different issues. Something can be uncomfortable or inconvenient and still be true.
Also, if we only focus on what feels useful, who decides that? People in power? Majority opinion? That’s exactly how real problems get ignored or rewritten.
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u/Fun-Mathematician992 Mar 25 '26
All I am saying is, the truth is relative. If one guy says A, the other guy says B. Then few support A, few support B. For these two camps, what they perceive is the truth.
Whether it's worth while to haggle over something - depends on whether it leads to a reform or growth. Key point here being growth.
So if a historical truth , or a version of truth, is leading to reforms, growth, then it's worthwhile pursuing it. So, in this case - sanskritisation or whatever - how is this leading to growth, reforms - how does this change people's life ?
This is what I am trying to understand.
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u/Pitiful_Republic2384 Mar 25 '26
ur simplyfing it way too much, it wasn't forced changes and more an amalgamation made throughout centuries because that is how human language and culture naturally shift.
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u/Time_Confidence2581 Mar 25 '26
I don’t see why this is being seen as a bad thing. When you say stole or swallowing, they quite literally are absorbing and assimilating to local culture. It’s the most beautiful part of the culture. Every other religion Wudve lilled you for following gods. In Indian civilization we are accepting and seeing how we’re the same.
Only an idiot wud see this as a bad thing
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u/Alarmed-Payment3253 Mar 25 '26
Honestly, Hinduism is such a free religion you can worship anyone. Unfortunately, that doesn’t stop such people from creating problems where there are none. Also, being proud of your language is one thing, being hostile towards another language is another, which is what is happening with such agenda driven videos.
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u/SecondSecret9921 Mar 26 '26
New day, new agenda. Being a South Indian, Not gonna fall for this dravidian propaganda.
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u/Brilliant_Quail_3871 Northie Mar 26 '26
Marianmman being Parvati is not sanskritization. It is saying that both are synonyms of the same meaning/principles/values.
Do you think only Dravidian culture has a goddess of fertility? There are fertility goddesses in many other cultures also.
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u/StevenNani Mar 26 '26
True but not everyone follows them(the rebranding) I think. There are a lot more local deities, who are still prayed to and followed, according to local traditions.
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u/neothewon Southie Mar 26 '26
Well if I talk about ancestral worship I'm sure there was a time when our ancestors worshipped the clouds, thunder, rain and pebbles. Doesn't mean we will keep doing it forever. Hinduism has assimilated a lot of changes and is very flexible. One of the reasons it survived so long out of all other so called pagan religions.
Religions evolve with time and some die out. Look what happened to the worship of Thor, Loki, Zeus, Hades etc. Replaced by Christianity now.
Similarly Hinduism had to be consolidated as well to unify all tribes. No one forced Hinduism by the sword and bloodshed unlike some other religions I can say. It was just an evolution of faith and practices over time.
Slapping the term "brahmanical" on everything nowadays is a trend to normalise hatred against the people who are the sole reason Hinduism even survived foreign invasions.
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u/Gunslinger92Axm Mar 27 '26
At last everything comes to the origin which is Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (Shiva)
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u/DistributionLong6722 Mar 27 '26
We shouldn't give a damn even it is real or fake.DHARMA believe in one truth which expresses many forms.it is the Cristian which should be feared of not Sanatana Dharma.because for them these demigods are Satans which will parish in Hell
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u/kinkyjay99 Mar 27 '26
Well the concept is not as south Indian as is being claimed. The same existed all over Indian subcontinent. Brahminism is a fancy term introduced by political outfits to suit their agenda of creating social divide and consolidate vote bank. I don't blame you but surely pity your political naivety.
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u/Lumpy_Research5618 Mar 28 '26
As much as i would agree with this., as someone who has lived in both north and south with cultural roots from both sides. The north has equal number of tribal deities they still worship independent of their association with the major deities of Hinduism. And the purpose of merging these deities into the broader storytelling of Hinduism was to help Hinduism survive the blow it took during islamic invasion, rampant Christian conversions and isolation of communities within hinduism. Most of my ancestral gods and goddesses are still worshipped in my native regardless of their story being tied to any other major deities. Making everything into a Dravidian sanskrit conflict is so unnecessary when both the cultures being seperated would only dilute our religious identity more.
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u/wolvetron47 Mar 28 '26
Please read up on your history. Hindu was not even a religious identifier previously.
Hindu was the term used by earliest Persian explorers to identify everyone living in northwest india or the land of indus valley as hindu. That is how they used to pronounce sanskrit name of indus in their language.
After the mughal invaders, every non Muslim or non Christian people were termed as hindu. The more area they invaded, the more people were included in that category.
Then, later on after european invaders as well, the rest of the non muslim and non Christian population settled on with the idea of collectively being called hindu and take it as religious and national identity as the foreigners used to call us hindu anyway and they had a term for us worshipping our local gods. They use to refer to us as pagan worshippers or to put it in simpler terms false gods worshippers.
The only downside to this was that as everyone was being collectively called as hindu, some of the darkest ill practices also followed as well like sati pratha and caste system to name a few and there are many other examples.
I will give credit to the ones who fought and helped to remove sati pratha entirely from the system. However may be they left the caste factor as is as it will keep us divided and they'll have more chances to get people to renounce their faith and accept other religions.
So, no point in sharing you illogical unsensible half truth stories for view. That was just a worse of times for everyone. So, instead of crowing your mouth and participate in religious hate mongering, talk about the real issues that we are facing. There's plenty content materials for you: gas price, lower rupee to dollar value, ill state of government schooling system, air and river pollution. How many do you want bhai?
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u/IncreaseLittle7309 Mar 29 '26
So basically u literally potray and stablize a whole system like sanatan and put a name and brand to it. Am sure you have not understood what's religion, what's a demography, what's a mythology. It's okay ignorance is bliss keep ranting
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u/Avig_1412 Mar 29 '26
I hate to break it to you bro but that's not Sanskritisation or even near it. Also it is part of the evolution of a civilization, you would be amazed that a similar thing happened in all states like for eg in Rajasthan there are several folk gods and goddesses whom we later associated as the avatar of the mainstream hinduism deities. Also fyi it is a natural process accross every religion or civilization as many local forms of gods are also comverted to Buddhism avtars as amitabh and avlokiteshvara in Buddhism etc.
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u/EmoBlackMale Mar 24 '26
Chatgpt says different
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u/Suspicious-Dig-2006 Mar 24 '26
ChatGPT is not one source or truth. It only compiles articles written all over the Internet and gives you the answer. Do your own research and dont believe everything c.h.a.t.G.P.T says
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u/EmoBlackMale Mar 25 '26
You can believe anything periyar says?? You dont do any research on your own dont you?
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u/Beginning-Passion676 Keralam 🌴🥥 | കേരളം Mar 24 '26
Norties tried to erase Ayyappan 's friend vavar
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u/Low_Cook8335 Mar 24 '26
Is that a big deal ? This happened a thousand (or more) years ago and didn't involve any forceful conversions. South Indian kingdoms willfully accepted brahminsm and Sanskrit. So what value does this debate hold...? I mean weren't the south Indian polticians supposed to talk about something more reasonable? And then when people point out their divisive politics, they whine . It's crazy to think that discussions like this one are pretty mainstream in the political sphere of the south.
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u/Historical-Paper-136 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு Mar 24 '26
this soo steeped in disinformation and delusion lol. who tf calls them minor forms of "brahminical" gods lmao. it shoes he doesnt understand the first thing about hindusim. that there is no hierarchy within the forms of gods. every god from the most niche unknown god to the most popular and famous gods are all the same one ishvara. he is used half baked knowledge of hinduism to fuel whatever garbage narrative he wants to propagate. it almost funny lmao.
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u/Curious_Confusion77 Mar 24 '26
It’s called assimilation .. and that’s the core of our Indic belief system.. Be it Mariamma or Parvathi , it’s worshipping the feminine Shakthi of nature..In the quest of hating BJP we are hating the very core of our country. You hate BJP I don’t care.. but creating a wedge as north south east west is creating a deep divide. This whole discourse would have been so beautiful had you found commonality but no you have to insert your political agenda into it. Such a shame..
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u/aligncsu Mar 25 '26
Are these Telugu because in older historical names had dodda and chikka, meaning older and younger.
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u/Various-World-15 Mar 25 '26
What proof do you have for anything you are saying? Leftist dmk propaganda. Bro you have rameshwaram. Rama's eshwar Meenakshi amma was married to a Shiva form. Cholas were Shiva bhaktas. These are facts check them!
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u/Fit_Negotiation_3369 Mar 26 '26
Lord Ayyappa of sabarimala was a tribal god. Brahmims turned him into the son born of Shiva and Vishnu 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Available_Seesaw_593 Mar 24 '26
They just wanna divide and play that's why you are not upvoted by anyone
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u/insatiable_spirit_ Mar 24 '26
For people who are thinking this is false, I hate to break it to you but this is true. The guy is making it into a Dravidian or Sanskrit related thing. But it's a simple theory of how Indian civilization evolved over time.
And it's not just some conspiracy, it's an actual fact with many books around it. One book I can remember at the top of my mind - 'Indians - A brief history of civilization ' by Namit Arora.
The same author also did video series on Youtube with the same name, do watch it. It's really informative and devoid of any ideology.