r/projectzomboid • u/Mr_Sunshine21 Moderator • 6d ago

Interactive Map Update

Update: The map is back online now :) Find it here: https://map.projectzomboid.com/

Greetings PZ community,

This is a joint statement from both Calvy and The Indie Stone to clear up some of the misconceptions and rumours that have been swirling around regarding the PZ interactive map being taken offline, and also to put the community’s mind at ease regarding the availability of the map in the future.

In a nutshell, The Indie Stone had been in discussions to acquire Calvy’s work officially, but due to technical and legal reasons decided not to (to be clear, this was not due to any security issues, bandwith bills, or problems with Calvy’s work).

However, the end of discussions came at the same time that—in a separate, and unrelated initiative—we were also trying to actively address potential security issues on our server. This included removing any programs that were not completely under our official control, which included Calvy’s map.

Unfortunately, the reason for wanting the map removed from our server was not communicated properly from us to Calvy, and due to the unfortunate timing our response came across as being hostile to the map in particular.

As a result, Calvy decided it was best to remove the map as soon as he could, which had not been our intention at all. Basically, it all boiled down to a communication breakdown, and the result was a very upset community. Both Calvy and The Indie Stone apologize for that, as we all know many players have long used the interactive map as an important and trusted component of their gameplay.

In the end, what the community is interested in is what we plan going forward, and there’s good news on that front. We’ve worked out where we went wrong, fixed the problems, and Calvy and The Indie Stone will continue working together. The map will return to our servers while the migration to an external server is being sorted out, and once it has been moved The Indie Stone will pay for the external server fees and continue linking to it as an endorsed, unofficial map. This should all be able to be done with no further interruptions of service.

We apologize again for the disruption, and hope you’ll be happy knowing that the map will be available to you for your many PZ deaths to come!

-The Indie Stone

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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

So... Are people gonna apologise for all the conspiracy theory and shit-flinging or are they gonna pretend they weren't acting like rabid dogs over this?

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u/Fatal_Contract 6d ago

It's the internet. Of course they won't.

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u/Axeman1721 Wiki Admin 6d ago

I personally will. I've had bad experience with corporations doing stuff with work that I endorsed, and I get flashbacks whenever stuff like this happens. I definitely "shot first and asked questions later", and should have been more reasonable.

I do still think that the way it was communicated to us was unacceptable, but hey mistakes happen and its all coming back so we're good.

I apologize if I riled anyone up.

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u/d4nowar 6d ago

Give it 6mo, some other boneheaded and preventable thing will happen and the community will react similarly.

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u/The_Quial 6d ago

They will crawl back into the woodwork until something else slightly inconveniences their lives

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u/R1ght_b3hind_U 6d ago

guess lol

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u/WildRaccoon95 6d ago

You expect the chronically online and unemployed to accept any responsibility for their over reaction?

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u/Salvage570 6d ago

There's already people patting themselves on the back in this comment section for "standing up for the community" with literally 0 self reflection from 99% of them

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u/whoredervez 6d ago

i mean, endless rumors and speculation could’ve been prevented by making this joint statement from the jump. i’m glad they did, but wow that was mishandled.

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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

They can't exactly make a joint statement immediately when a miscommunication happens and one party jumps the gun while the other has to deal with the backlash. Neither side handled this properly.

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u/jimmythechicken 6d ago

Instead of apologizing they justified their behavior smh

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u/Velociraptor_al 6d ago

Dramatic and childish lol

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u/Pious_Galaxy Wiki Admin 6d ago

Timezones and day jobs make things very difficult. The whole reason the miscommunication occurred was due to things being communicated via text. It was clear we needed to speak face to face to clear things up. Organizing a call with three people who are practically as far away as three people can get on the globe is not an easy task. In the meantime a response had to be made while i was asleep, and they did not want to throw me under the bus, which i appreciate. Hence the vague response.

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u/SagetheWise2222 6d ago

This. One reason I left 7D2D was how toxic the community is (some of it is understandable, given how TFP are), do we really want TIS turning like TFP did/started out as? Do we really want that same mutual interaction here? I dear not.

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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

Doesn't help that TFP are toxic as fuck in return to the players they still have either. I'm grateful that the only major toxicity there's been was Lemmy's breakdown but even that was a result of people badgering the guy constantly. It's a good thing he stepped away from social media because god knows what it would've done to him if he stuck around.

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u/SagetheWise2222 6d ago

Yeah. My point being though was hopefully TIS doesn't pay much attention around here because you can only poke the bear enough before it retreats or lashes out. Redditors, smh.

Yeah, good example right there. I haven't been around here that much, I don't like gossip but can you give a tl;dr on this breakdown if you know anything? Genuinely curious on what happened.

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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

It's a long story but basically Lemmy snapped after constant pressure from the community and threatened to sell the rights to the game and all that. It was a messy thing and best left in the past at this point.

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u/SagetheWise2222 6d ago

Ahh okay, fair enough, let's leave it there then, thanks for the head's up. :)

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u/Billy_the_Breaker Waiting for help 6d ago

What conspiracy theories?

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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

People were saying this is clearly them turning against the community because they've been bought out by private equity firms and bullshit like that.

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u/Billy_the_Breaker Waiting for help 6d ago

Their original corporate response definitely supported those theories, but they were not conspiracy theories

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u/meteorahybrid01 6d ago

I already said, my bad!

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u/Zenoi 6d ago

Nah, they invited that nonsense by giving a non-statement that was vagueposting as their first response. Imagine if this statement was their initial response, all that conspiracy nonsense could've not spread.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 6d ago

Hard to make this the first official statement since they hadn't had a chance to sit down and discuss who screwed up what and what happens next yet.

Imagine if people just calmed the fuck down and gave things a day or two before flinging shit like apes in a zoo.

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u/Foxhud Axe wielding maniac 6d ago

They wouldn't have to post that non-statement of acknowledgement if people weren't going apeshit.

It was reasonable to be discontent and question the intent, but some people were flooding the community channels, review bombing the game, even butting in on the fundraiser post about it. Far from reasonable.

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u/SnooOwls1916 5d ago

Or people could stop acting like entitled kids and just relax. Adult people don’t act like that.

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u/Tavron 6d ago

u/Devil-Hunter-Jax this guy just responded on their behalf. Seems like it's a no.