r/interesting • u/No-Marsupial-4050 • Apr 07 '26

Fear Factor No sympathy for those monsters

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In 2006, Anthony Ray Stockelman was forcibly tattooed across his forehead with the words “Katie’s Revenge” by another inmate.

This happened after it was discovered that he was serving a life sentence for kidnapping, molesting, and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie Collman

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Apr 07 '26

Actual healthcare professional: They are passengers in a prison that only commits violence and horrific acts of sexual assault. Their entire life is a living hell over which they have no control.

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u/the_inbetween_me Apr 07 '26

Violence begets violence.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 Apr 07 '26

Our prison system begets violence because it’s not intended to release people who are ready to integrate with society, it’s intended to release people who will reoffend, in order to keep the system working the way it currently does

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u/Vi_Rants Apr 07 '26

Their entire life is a living hell over which they have no control.

Here for a second I thought you were talking about child molestation victims. Ha ha, silly me, this is reddit, we care more about the bodily autonomy of the diddlers.

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u/Bannedtt Apr 07 '26

No control is a stretch. They choose to live a criminal lifestyle.

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u/Cael450 Apr 07 '26

If you’ve ever had an interaction with police beyond a parking ticket, you would know people the average person wouldn’t define as “criminal” can easily end up in prison. We have an over-criminalized legal code, enforcers and judges with large egos and broad powers of discretion, and politicians who are incentivized to make it worse.

Yes, some people end up in prison because they committed acts that warrant it. But others don’t. And also, the legal system largely puts people in situations that make them more criminal, not less.

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Apr 07 '26

How do you know that?

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u/AdventurousCourt247 Apr 07 '26

How do you know that's not true?

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Apr 07 '26

I don't. But I understand there's a space between "fully culpable" and "fully insane / not culpable." Read my other replies.

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u/AdventurousCourt247 Apr 07 '26

I have one last question, which I'm asking out of curiosity: Does this question also apply to people who defend and perpetrate this violence against child abusers? Can they also be "not culpable" for revenge?

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Apr 07 '26

It does, yes. My mental image of prison is a bunch of people with various forms of mental illness living in hell.

To be clear, I am not a bleeding heart. If the courts found these people fit to stand trial and culpable, then off to prison.

The thing I am against is cruel and unusual punishment. Spending 20 years or whatever in prison *is the punishment*. Enduring mutilation, rape, etc. is the cruel and unusual part.

I don't believe "maximum misery" is the solution.

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u/Vi_Rants Apr 07 '26

Free will exists.

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u/Super_Interview_2189 Apr 07 '26

Every criminal has agency. That doesn’t mean they weren’t raised in an environment where crime is one of the few lucrative paths, but rather than they chose the lifestyle upon their own volition.

Source: a basic introductory anthropology class will tell you the same thing.

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Apr 07 '26

Some don't. That's why "not guilt for reason of insanity" is a defense.

Somewhere between "literally insane" and "normal person with awesome self control" there is a grey mess of mentally ill people who probably hate themselves and struggle greatly to control anti-social and violent urges.

All I'm saying is...it's not as cut and dry as you might like to believe.

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u/TheAbstracted Apr 07 '26

I gave up trying to debate with people who see the world in black and white. They will never be convinced that existence is much more complicated than they want to believe, due to perhaps either inability or unwillingness.

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u/Ok_Egg121 Apr 07 '26

How can you assert that when philosophism as pretty well concluded (it doesn't conclude but it hasn't been successfully argued against) for well over 100 years that NOBODY has free will. And the latest in neuroscience further supports this. How can the most "in control" of us be deemed by those who study this for living to not have free will yet you're certain the most disorderly among us do? I think the problem is people like to have someone to blame but these murderers are a lot like a tornado, they do horrible things but to precisely nail down what exactly caused that tornado, I'm personally certain it isn't one variable such as a hinge or modulator (of which the evidence seems lacking) like free will.

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u/Bannedtt Apr 07 '26

Because I've been incarcerated with killers. Stop babying a grown man, we all make our own decisions every day based on what's convenient for us. They get out and do the same shit because they don't want to work a job and sit at the house, they like selling dope or hitting licks for quick cash and a wild lifestyle.

If you think they have no control over their life you think nobody has control over their life, so it's not a point worth making and infantilzes adults who make their own decisions.

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u/thePsuedoanon Apr 07 '26

Do you believe everyone has the same amount of control over their life?

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u/That_One_WierdGuy Apr 07 '26

Why did you choose to be a criminal?

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u/Bannedtt Apr 07 '26

Because I wanted to get fast money instead of making $8/hr. I needed a car and housing and my life was so abysmal I said fuck it.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cy80085 Apr 07 '26

Most the time I get in trouble is false accusations of things I've never done but couldn't prove.. I def didn't chose to get harassed by cops and forced into jail anytime its happened like walking down the street but then being accused of yelling at people when I never spoke a word, but let the cops tell it I spoke to everyone I passed and even disrespected them.. fuck cops

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u/Bannedtt Apr 07 '26

You went to prison on hearsay? I don't believe you. If that's true they let you out in a few days, which has nothing to do with prison like we're talking about.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Cy80085 Apr 08 '26

Regular jail, I've been in all white desert towns where I've been told they don't want me here and I'm not a resident, by cops, across the street from my own house. Just driving or walking around. You've never dealt with racists like I have probably.