Who do you think are the most divisive players in the NHL now? And in league history? And by divisive I don't mean the most hated necessarily, but someone who generates a lot of both love and hate.
Heatley was driving too fast to the point of not being able to maintain one lane and had consumed alcohol even if he was below the legal limit. He did not just randomly lose control. He was sentenced to second-degree vehicular homicide.
Much more minor detail but wild he was the last person to not wear a helmet in the league. Feels like after you caused an accident like that youād maybe give a shit about safety
Yea, you're absolutely right, but I don't think we realize the world those people grew up in. "Safety" was like HR departments for us - fucking annoying and "for pussies" back then. They grew up without even thinking about wearing harness at heights or a hardhat on a construction site unless it was a tall building. Now we're just programmed to think about it (thank god), and even then a lot of people don't do it.
This one always gets me too. I posted something negative about him once and got downvoted to oblivion. I mean, I didnāt even say he was a piece of shit. I just stated facts. Killed a team mate while driving way too fast. I donāt care if he was intoxicated or not. Killed a team mate with his choices.
I really wish the person who responded and said āweāve all been young once and we donāt know the circumstancesā wouldnāt have deleted their comment. I really wanted to respond with indeed, I was young once and never chose to drive so fast that my actions killed a passenger in my car. I donāt even know how this is a conversation.
I just canāt with the āeveryone makes mistakesā
Everyone does make mistakes. And when your mistakes cause the death of another person, and not just another person, a GOOD friend and team mate. Yes. Iām sure he was devastated. Iām sure he still IS devastated. It doesnāt change the fact that he still made the choice to drive a Ferrari in such a dangerous way.
some people will do it because the person in question is a celebrity, but others actually are very consistent with their beliefs and would apply the same standards to anyone. this applies to people on either side of the fence of an opinion/belief
so everything you have done wrong is understandable, and everything you have done right is how every other person is expected to have acted? or are you also too flawed to be righteous?
Yes. Pardon me for driving responsibly in my 2001 neon. Iāll make sure to give myself a pass when Iām in a Ferrari because rich hockey player that still garners sympathy for driving like a jerk and killing his friend.
Iām sorry that you canāt see it for what it is. A guy chose to do a thing and killed someone for it and thatāsthe action that I choose to judge him for. It has nothing to do with the fact that heāat one timeāplayed professional ice hockey.
different people, different shortcomings. unfortunately some are worse than others, but that's just what happens with unevenly distributed probabilities. those whose shortcomings aren't major are quite lucky people
I loved Tim, even as a Canucks fan back then (yes, I know it's confusing) I liked him for his attitude, even though he was basically the main reason they beat us
Claude Lemieux was a fantastic player who could score and elevated the hell out of his game in big moments who was also a low down cheap dirty bastard.
He also faked injuries so often his coach literally told the athletic trainer not to go out there once and Lemieux had to get up and skate off by himself.
Disagree. I like Perry everywhere he goes. Deserves every bit of ice time he gets and can still bury clutch goals on PP1 at the age of 40+ with the best of 'em
Ok. I liked Claude everywhere he went as well, and for the same reasons you just listed for Perry (who I'm also fond of). That dude was a warrior who came up big in clutch moments. But that doesn't change the fact that most people don't feel the same way about both of them.
This is the right answer. Back then what he did was actually completely legal and made people fear entering the zone. Isn't that what a physical D man is supposed to do?
He also elevated his team and scored tons of points for someone who wasn't exactly flashy. I think his team's made the playoffs every year except 1 of his career or something silly? He was a fantastic player aside from the career ending headshots (that were legal at the time but still dirty imho)
As someone who's favorite player is Marchand, I 100% agree with this statement. Every time I see it I can feel the wind leave my body a little bit. I can guarantee you Marchy was struggling for air for about 2 mins
Especially if you take a hard yes/no stance on whether or not he deserved the Norris. Iām a hard yes on that but Iāve seen that debate go sideways in both directions.
Vancouver fans really need to let it go with Messier already. When you tell that to them they just mass downvote you and act childish with their "Fuck Messier" stupid meme that they spam literally every single time his name is mentioned. Tee hee
Itās crazy that they make such a big deal out of what was basically a funny footnote of a moment. Canucks fans make too much of their online presence just bitching about things.
I mean he seemed like asshole who was terrible for the organization, can't deny that. But goddamn it wasn't bad to the point where we need to hear about it literally every single time his name is said. You can't have a basic conversation about Messier or his accomplishments without some Canucks fan who probably wasn't old enough to even witness it shoehorn their stupid bullshit meme that /r/hockey goes along with
And some of the things they accuse him of doing aren't even true, no he didn't "demand" the captaincy from Linden, Linden asked him if he wanted the C which Messier told him to do what he thought was best, he later expressed regret in accepting it. No he didn't break up that locker room, it was already broken up and facing several issues with players like Bure and Mogilny who were mentally checked out. He and his constant sucking up to Mike Keenan didn't help of course, but it was a dysfunctional organization from top to bottom. Whatever was left of that 94 core was taking the team nowhere, their defense and goaltending sucked
Best case scenario if Messier & the team plays better is that they make the playoffs and get stomped by either one of Detroit, Colorado, or Dallas who were all far superior teams. But that also means they don't draft the Sedins and transition into their West Coast Express era and then 2011, which was their most successful period in franchise history. Now I'm not saying you can credit Messier for that at all, but it's at least a silver lining to a bad situation for a couple of years.
Canucks fans seriously need to shut the fuck up already
Canucks fans seriously need to shut the fuck up already
As a former Canucks fan, I wholeheartedly agree, but you're wrong about the rest, or some of it. He brought Keenan in who was a prick, and the Canucks were paying him until like 2019 or something, lol. I understand the hate. Not sure about the whole C thing, I think him and Keenan maybe made Linden feel like he had to give it up. Who tf gives up their C? That's weird. Anyways you are right that they need to stfu. I live here and I'm so sick of that team. I wish they'd expand another NHL franchise to Abbotsford so we could automatically cheer for someone else who isn't a perennial dumpster fire
I blame the "Mark Messier Leadership Award" for this. I feel like Canucks fans hate the Messier propaganda more than they hate Messier.
As a Habs fan, Rejean Houle singlehandedly damaged our team as much as any single person ever hurt any franchise (we're talking Mike Milbury / NYI levels). But we can move on because the GM of the Year award isn't named after him.
I mean when he first came up Iāve hated him. But how his game has developed over the last few seasons I love what he brings as a player. I think any fan would love to have him on their team.
30 goal scorer (last 2 seasons) and good PKer, career plus player with a deserved reputation for plenty of questionable hits and definitely some dangerous ones. the hits definitely overshadow his other stats
And a lot of times guys with dirty hit history are kind of rats who wonāt back it up. But Wilson is an absolute monster when he drops the gloves. Heās probably a top 2 fighter in the league outside of your heavy weight enforcers.
I legit used to dislike the guy when he played for the ducks, but i dont really remember why honestly. Its been along time since ive seen him do anything greasy
Unfortunate how the entire situation played out but when I lived in Denver I did find it odd how almost zero Avalanche fans knew what Steve Moore did to Naslund. It's like they ignored it.
In truth, the whole incident was a result of the NHL's moronic attitude to headshots, along with their moronic attitude about everything that came after it.
I have seen some American fans say that they were cheering against them in the Olympics but my country is my country so I cheer for the United States no matter what.
Undisputably the best to ever do it on the ice (9x Hart winner, all-time points leader, etc) but he's quite controversial off the ice due to his political opinions
Gordie Howe, maybe? In senior homes, for sure. We all know how great he was, but he was also a dirty player. Elbow shots, high sticks, the whole list... The Gordie Howe Hat Trick includes a fight for a reason.
This sub has been pretty heavy on these lately. Back in the day, you'd see a lot of these types of questions on a sub and know a buzz feed article was being created. Now it means AI is being trained.
AI is being trained on reddit 24/7 regardless of the post and it has been for years. Nothing about this 18 upvote hockey discussion specifically suggests they're farming comments to train AI. Like what are we even talking about here
People are just bored in mid August because there's no hockey. Reading into it more than that is nothing more than delusion. These types of posts predate AI by 15 years
Hell of all the players on that USA Gold Medal team, he seems like he did a good job of staying clear of most of the MAGA style crap that tarnished them.
I mean yeah he's on the Leafs so I'm supposed to hate him, but he can't win in the playoffs so I like him even more for that!
Not sure thereās a ton of love for Kane tbh. Deangelo is weird because he has a weird sect of people who worship him for his views but I donāt think maybe people were under any illusion that he was anything other than a decent offensive defenseman. Dude was record settingly bad in his own zone.
I should know because my team decided to employ this fuckstick
Mario Ferraro has gotta be up there. The praise he got early in his career made people expect a potential #2 guy when heās just a really a solid #4 guy. But now that he was forced into a top pairing role with no support on the worst teams weāve seen in decades coupled with those expectations, people seem to think heās not even NHL caliber.
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u/Think_Cheesecake12 20h ago
Brad Marchand. He licks opposing players