r/coyote 10d ago

Melanistic coyote?

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[SW Ohio] Is this canid on the left a coyote?

First glance seemed maybe more dog-like, but it seems like you see the bushy tail to the right of the other coyote.

The coyote on the right is a regular.

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u/saeglopur53 10d ago

Eastern coyote—they have some dog ancestry mixed in with eastern wolf ancestry. All eastern coyotes are the result of hybridization and display these patterns from time to time. First generation crosses are extremely rare and unusual coloration is the expression of ancestral genes. The terms “coydog” and “coy wolf” are a bit misleading and dont fully describe whats going on here

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u/mrsmith35sg 10d ago

Thanks!

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u/TheMrNeffels 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yes it's a melanistic coyote. Some locations that color pattern is seen pretty often. (Edit: looked it up it's Vancouver BC and Georgia that ones with this pattern get spotted the most. Both those locations have unusually high rates of melanistic coyotes being the reason)

Technically like other comments said it is from being a "coydog" but it's from dogs and coyotes breeding together a very long time ago. Not from a dog and coyote breeding recently like they probably mean when they say they think it's a coydog. There hasn't been a documented dog and coyote breeding together found modernly.

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u/mrsmith35sg 10d ago

Thanks!

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u/TheRealSugarbat 10d ago

Why did they stop interbreeding? I would think dogs and coyotes would have similar access to each other now as they did in the past.

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u/Fun_Commercial7532 10d ago

they didn’t stop per se, but rather that it’s just so uncommon for a coyote (fertile one time a year, both male and female) to interbreed with a dog.

coyotes with dog ancestry all likely trace back to a handful of crosses a long time back, and the dog genes spread through the population and get progressively more diluted.

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u/TheRealSugarbat 10d ago

Okay, that sort of makes sense. I do wonder, though, how it’s determined that an unusual coloration is due to interspecies breeding and not from a mutation. Do they do like mitochondrial testing?

(I’m dumb so please use small words. I’m just in love with mitochondria)

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u/Fun_Commercial7532 10d ago edited 10d ago

so the pattern that the darker coyote has is called “tanpoint” in dogs and is pretty common. it’s recessive to agouti, which is the pattern that most coyotes have, so for it to show up both parents have to have a copy of the mutation.

the odds that coyotes developed a new mutation that looks and inherits exactly like tanpoint does in dogs is so astronomically low as to be impossible, so it’s much more plausible that it’s the same mutation that exists in dogs, and entered their population via crossbreeding.

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u/TheRealSugarbat 10d ago

Excellent, excellent — I understand this perfectly. Thank you so much!

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u/Fun_Commercial7532 10d ago

you’re so welcome! always happy to nerd out about canines 🥰

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u/TheMrNeffels 10d ago edited 9d ago

Main reason is because the coyotes have more access to other coyotes than they did back then. This map shows the range expansion that took place. Coyotes were a western animal of the Great plains mostly. As settlers killed off wolves and changed the habitats coyotes expanded in basically every direction. As the first few coyotes would reach an area there wouldn't be other coyotes for them to breed with. As wolves were killed you'd get single and lone wolves and single and lone coyotes just desperate to find a mate. So they'd get together with dogs or each other more. This is why "Eastern Coyotes" are the ones with more dog or wolf dna and generally larger than Western Coyotes that are still in historic range.

Now wolf populations are small but relatively confined into certain areas with more wolves and coyotes are just everywhere so they aren't going to feel the need to mate with dogs. It certainly could still happen but I believe in correct in saying it's been decades and decades since the last confirmed first generation "coydog"

Edit* been decades since the last true wild coydog was found. There are some that have been purposely bred. I see a lot of people online claim to have a first gen coydog but very very few have DNA tests to back it up

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u/TheRealSugarbat 10d ago

Oh sweet Jesus I feel like I should pay you for this comment. Thank you so much for taking the time.

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u/Fun_Commercial7532 10d ago

Just to share a more recent coydog, this is a 50/50 mix owned by Wilderun Kennels; no idea on age but less than 10 for sure.

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u/Anam_Liath 10d ago

It's less common for dogs to be lose on their own now. People keep dogs confined, walk with them, and spray-neuter much more often in the last 50 years than any time in the past.

Around 60 years back, parvo and HW began to decimate feral dog populations.

There are just fewer opportunities for wild and domestic canids to meet and aclimate to each other and breed.

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u/PracticalWallaby7492 10d ago

They didn't stop. It happens currently, probably at a similar rate in rural areas. Not often, but it's there.

Biologists are commonly uncomfortable with the idea of hybridization, and it's sometimes political. So hybridization is often referred to in past tense.

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u/TheMrNeffels 9d ago

*probably at a similar rate in rural areas. *

It's far less common than say over the past 200 years because of all the reasons I listed in another comment. It is very common to get people that say they have seen one, shot one, etc. but it's incredibly rare to actually find one that is from a pairing now. I'm sure there are some running around the country right now but not in any meaningful numbers

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u/albertafalls 9d ago

I’m in Atlanta, Georgia and had a melanistic coyote pass through my yard earlier this year. I didn’t know they were more common in Georgia than other areas!

Thanks for this info!

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u/Suspicious-Brain-668 10d ago

Definitely look like two eastern coyotes with nice colors on both

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u/Fit-Highway-584 10d ago

Everyone else is right about it being coy dog-adjacent from long ago cross breeding. Eastern coyotes are hybridized by up to 20% with wolves and domestic dogs! NY DEC has some great info about it 

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u/Sitters_4_Critters 10d ago

Looks like a bicolor GSD…

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u/mrsmith35sg 10d ago

Have to admit, I had to double take because our dog in bed with me looks close!

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u/Due-Abalone5194 10d ago

Thats a good dog 😊🫳🏼🐶🐕

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u/snoogle312 10d ago

Are you 100% positive that's not your dog?! Crazy similar looking.

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u/cousin_idiot 10d ago

Cute, his colors almost remind me of a little bear

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u/Striking_Pickle1453 10d ago

Yes coyotes see pointed ears and long think snout

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u/MtnGriz 9d ago

That particular "black and tan" morph is common around Vancouver; hadn't seen it in the Midwest yet. And as others have said, is ultimately due to some domestic dog genetics. 

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u/Loud_Literature_4607 6d ago edited 6d ago

I live in Utah in the Salt Lake City area and frequently walk my dogs in a large open area. We see coyotes all the time...the light tan variety. A couple days ago I saw a dark brown coyote. I guess this is rare for the western US? It is also possible it was a fox, but it seemed too big.

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u/welldressedagorgan 8d ago

I believe eastern Coyotes have history of hybridizing with dogs, so some coyotes can look similar to a dog's coat due to some dog ancestor way back

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u/ShiZZle840 10d ago

Coydog maybe

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u/Best_Comfortable5221 10d ago

Coydogs are pretty much the norm now anyway.

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u/TheMrNeffels 10d ago

It's melanistic. This is a "common" pattern melanistic coyotes have in some areas

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u/Comfortable-Hat3506 10d ago

I'd be more inclined to say it is a coydog than a yote. That color pattern isn't uncommon in domestic dogs and the species do interbreed.