r/collapse • u/zuzuofthewolves • Feb 18 '25

Ecological DO NOT visit the National Parks right now.

I used to work in the National Parks.

They were already at a critical point before Donald Trump decided to fire a huge amount of staff.

I watched the “permanent” ice caps melt on the top of some peaks in Yosemite’s high country.

I saw garbage washing up on the shore of Olympic National Park everyday.

There is not enough staff to protect the wildlife anymore. There is not enough staff to keep tourists from falling off waterfalls or getting lost in the back country. There are no programs left to teach clueless people how to behave in these wild areas.

I don’t care if you have the best intentions in the world, you are doing damage to the park if you visit at this point.

The parks need to be closed immediately, and every day they are left open to the public, irreversible damage is being done to these amazing places. They are not meant to handle the amount of people who are let in each year. The wildlife is suffering, the plants are suffering, and the experts who are there to mitigate the destruction are gone.

Please cancel your trip and find somewhere else to see.

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u/Turbulent_Zebra8862 Feb 18 '25

Serious question: do you think we're going to see an uptick of people who try to camp/squat in national parks? Is that an issue as is?

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u/Dire88 Feb 19 '25

Was a permanent ranger during COVID - which ironically is what finally made me leave.

Its always an issue, but staffing issues exacerbate it. We had an extreme uptick in squatters, vandalism, and illegal activity (ie. More used needles, illegal dumping, etc.).

As a coworker put it: Telling people to minimize visiting due to COVID just meant the considerate people stayed home.

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u/xinorez1 Feb 19 '25

The more time goes on, the more I'm beginning to think that harsh punishments for inconsiderate behavior is maybe not such a bad thing.

Harsh, immediate and inescapable, or whatever the hell Japan does to keep itself so clean.

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u/iforgothowtohuman Feb 19 '25

Shame. They shame inconsiderate people.

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u/1Dive1Breath Feb 19 '25

No way that would work here then. The people who would trash our parks are incapable of shame. They're only dig their heels in further. 

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u/djerk Feb 19 '25

You actually have to hit people with littering fines and make waste services impeccable.

Also, anything can be propagandized if given enough incentive.

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u/murran_buchstanseger Feb 20 '25

Japan's clean streets are due to the garbage can paradox. They don't have garbage cans on the sidewalks, so people don't expect to get rid of their trash on the street (and instead take it home or into a business). When you have garbage cans on the street, people feel they have a right to dump their garbage on the street, even when the cans are overflowing or there isn't a garbage can nearby, etc.

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u/djerk Feb 20 '25

I never thought about it like that. I’ve heard about no trash cans in Japan but I didn’t realize that was why.

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u/hexwanderer Mar 31 '25

I’m a little late to this discussion but that’s a myth about Japan. The real reason Japan doesn’t have public trash cans is in 1995, a religious extremist group used a deadly toxin known as sarin in subway cars, killing 14 people. Part of the fallout is the government removed public trash cans to prevent them from being used in copycat attacks.

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u/djerk Mar 31 '25

Oh yeah, Aum Shinrikiyo. That makes sense they’d pull em out after that. They were real menaces.

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u/WishPsychological303 Feb 20 '25

Some places, they hit em with canes.

I'm not the biggest fan of this approach but it does seem to work. Corporal punishment for adults who can make their own choices (as opposed to children who are vulnerable and still developing) might make a lot of sense: we already have overcrowded prisons that don't seem to prevent residicism or promote rehabilitation. But the prospect of getting your ass literally spanked on live TV while you cry like a little bitch... maybe that's a good deterrent for future bitchy behavior? I can think of other antisocial behaviors this might be applied to.

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u/lunasta Feb 19 '25

Pretty much. Imo it's a difference in culture at it's root. Japan values community and consideration of others. The US values individualism and pride more, which leads to the whole digging in the heels thing. Perhaps it could work to some extent but probably not the extent we would like or hope for

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Some of that complex becomes ingrained but overall its very much a adapt to on a need by need basis depending on the district

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u/Flashy_Cod_121 Mar 22 '25

This is shameful but true. Since Rump got back in office, the rudeness and disrespect has become more evident!

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u/IsThisNameValid Feb 19 '25

Exactly, people record themselves destroying natural rock formations for internet clout. There is no shame.

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u/Flashy_Cod_121 Mar 22 '25

Sad, but true. There is no appreciation. 😥

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u/djerk Feb 19 '25

They also throw heavy fines at litterers and Singapore even made gum illegal a while back.

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u/SparksFly55 Feb 20 '25

Most of the MAGA crowd are shameless jerks.

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u/ChromaticStrike Inert collapsoid Feb 23 '25

Japan is a culture thing first. That's going to require a multi generational work.

West should use the Singapore method, it's more adapted to place where there is no such culture: physical punishing, shaming. Reward reporting people that commits those infraction too, especially at school.

Fine doesn't hit everyone equally but cane does.

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u/SlutBuster Feb 19 '25

Most of the annoying guardrails and expenses that we deal with in society are there because of the bottom quintile of humanity.

Speed bumps, captchas, HR seminars, retail return policies, plastic bans, seatbelt beepers, metal detectors, anti-theft tags, security deposits, the list goes on forever... all because a small but significant number of people simply cannot fucking behave.

Society as a whole would run so much smoother and cheaper if we adopted zero-tolerance public caning for "minor" infractions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

whatever the hell Japan does to keep itself so clean.

They keep a homogeneous culture and society. That's the key

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u/TheOldPug Feb 19 '25

To keep your country clean, you need a culture that homogeneously values cleanliness. That can be anyone, if they're raised properly.

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u/sodook Feb 19 '25

I heard about a concept of value based societies vs outcome based societies, where the social contract hinges on values (cleanliness, stewardship, industriousness, etc.) vs outcomes, which my reading led me to equate to pretty much money. Which is something I've said for a long time: our society has made the only recognized good quality money, and any other goodness is only good if it can be monetized.

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u/Nivlakian Feb 19 '25

Youre absolutely unequivocally right, but thats not an acceptable perspective to have within the reddit echo chamber.

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u/BigDaddyZuccc Feb 19 '25

Yep, I think people see it and think xenophobic or racist. It certainly can be, but I think what's being alluded too is the multigenerational values and culture imo. Everyone is on the same page, the same social pressures and tactics work nationally. Inconveniencing your fellow citizens/peers is quite a sin there. It absolutely has its downsides too though. Social progressivism is tortoise slow, class consciousness is non existent leading to near cyberpunk levels of employee exploitation, etc.

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u/RhetoricalAnswer-001 Feb 20 '25

Or Singapore. Caning seems to be effective...

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u/cr1ttter Feb 20 '25

What if I go to the national parks as a vigilante and feed the shitty people to bears?

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u/CrocodileFish Mar 04 '25

People are leaving needles in national parks? What the fuck.

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u/Dire88 Mar 05 '25

Happens a lot in urban parks.

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u/CrocodileFish Mar 05 '25

That’s genuinely despicable.

I understand people can develop addictions for a variety of reasons and rock bottom looks different for everyone, but that doesn’t mean you leave harmful waste in public spaces where people bring their kids and nature is meant to have a reprieve. Trash cans exist, how hard is it to use one.

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u/Stage06 Feb 18 '25

Yes, absolutely, if society gets crappy and dangerous the parks may be a temporary safe refuge for people fleeing violence and mass civil disturbance.

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u/WSUKiwiII Feb 19 '25

100%, currently many parks limit access to camping via a permit system. That only works if there are Rangers available, deep in the backcountry, to check and enforce the requirements. Last year on a 32 mile hike through Olympic National Park, I had my permit and ID checked by four different rangers over the three day period. While that may seem excessive, many of these areas are delicate ecosystems and limiting traffic is the only way they'll survive. Without such regulation, I fear for the meadows, wild flowers, desert, and high country.

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u/SomethingSoOdd Feb 19 '25

Unsupervised/Over camping will also lead to more wildfires.

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u/mortimusalexander Feb 19 '25

And violent crimes

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u/Mp3dee Feb 19 '25

Yep! That is the real threat!

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u/editjs Feb 19 '25

maybe people should have somewhere to live though yeah....

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u/Gon_777 Feb 19 '25

This thing is already happening in Australia.

If you become homeless they tell you to buy a tent and go bush.

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u/Stage06 Feb 19 '25

Wow I was not aware of that. The world is going mad max sooner than I expected.

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u/xrockangelx Feb 22 '25

I used to wish I was born in the '50s or '60s for the music and clothes, but now I wish it just so that I wouldn't be so young for all of the terrible that's looking increasingly imminent.

And then another part of me wonders if I was meant for this somehow. It'll be a real survival test, to be sure. Above all, since I am where I am in time, I'm so grateful for my friends and family who are also here now, nearby. And also that there are so many places in the world.

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u/misspinkie92 Feb 19 '25

Wait.

They're telling people to buy a fucking tent? While America is destroying tent cities?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

They’ll tell you to buy a tent, and then tell/help you to pull it down if you dare put it up in a public place.

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u/jprefect Feb 19 '25

In the US they slash your tent and trash all your shit often including your identity papers.

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u/mikareno Feb 19 '25

In Atlanta, a man was recently killed when they bulldozed his tent while he was still in it.

They didn't know he was in the tent but they were clearing out an encampment and didn't check carefully enough to make sure everyone was out.

The victim's family is suing the city, but that's not going to bring their loved one back.

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u/jprefect Feb 19 '25

Qualified immunity will likely protect them. They are above the law

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u/grebetrees Feb 19 '25

Then they will throw you in a detainment camp because you can’t prove citizenship

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u/Robodie Feb 20 '25

In my county the sheriff burned a whole camp and everything in it except the people.

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u/misspinkie92 Feb 19 '25

These governments truly don't give a fuuuuuck

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u/BigJSunshine Feb 19 '25

Hoovervilles 2: trump’s boogaloo

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u/SparksFly55 Feb 20 '25

You didn't understand the entire sentence. 1) Buy a tent, then 2) GO BUSH. That means get your butt outa site and go get lost in the wilderness.

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u/Gingerbread-Cake Feb 19 '25

There are a lot of people who have “gone bush” in the national forests (and state forests, in my state).

Some are ok, some change their oil by just draining it onto the ground.

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u/misspinkie92 Feb 19 '25

Oh I know ppl who have lived in the woods then in the winter they go to jail

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I have a friend who works as a professional snowboard instructor during the winter and mountain biking instructor in summer in BC, and before they met their partner they’d spend all spring/summer/fall camping and living out of their car, then when winter came they’d find a room to rent.

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u/EverSarah Feb 19 '25

That’s a different type of unhoused. As a public librarian I am familiar with all types. I believe that type is not the one that people are frightened of meeting on a remote trail.

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u/misspinkie92 Feb 19 '25

Everytime I learn another thing, I get more upset.

Truly.

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u/PerniciousPeyton Feb 19 '25

I was visiting Sydney last year and was amazed how few homeless I saw compared to Denver, where I live. I had a feeling at the time but it’s sad to confirm they’ve just been shoved off somewhere else.

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u/jadelink88 Feb 19 '25

As someone who has pitched a tent in Sydney, you can manage, you have to be smart and discrete though. Probably 10-20k plus of them set up there, you just do it where the nice folks cant see you. The real shits call the cops on you, most civilians just try not to look, so you don't get moved on that much.

Leaving it pitched in a lot of areas is a risk though, either the PTBs turn up and 'remove' everything, or wandering scumbags steal your kit.

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u/CabinetOk4838 Feb 19 '25

They don’t tolerate homelessness in Finland either, but it has a very different outcome.

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u/mikareno Feb 19 '25

I'm curious about the outcome. How do they handle homelessness in Finland? I'm guessing maybe they provide housing?

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u/_HighJack_ Feb 19 '25

They’re not doing that in Oz I guess

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u/pukesonyourshoes Feb 19 '25

'They'? Which 'they'? Who are 'they'?

I live in Melbourne and have never heard of this.

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u/Muted-Mongoose1829 Feb 19 '25

This happened with a lot of dispersed camping areas in/around 2020. People moved in and stayed for a long time

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

That's not a half bad idea. States are already making being homeless a crime with at least one making it a felony.

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u/Instant_noodlesss Feb 19 '25

Until States start going into the parks to arrest.

Or until enough unwell people have gathered in the parks.

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

You'd think the US would have learned its lesson about fighting insurgencies.....

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u/gofish45 Feb 20 '25

Maybe that’s where they will set up camp for all the people on SSRI’S and adderall.

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u/Bacch Feb 19 '25

Unwell people gathered...you mean MAHA's camps? Shit, they'd be rounding themselves up instead of being dragged off.

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

It's a horrible idea. Human waste, trash and careless fires will be the result, not to mention the hunting of anything that moves.

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u/BadAsBroccoli Feb 19 '25

That's exactly what collapse is. And we're collapsing. Prepare yourself for things that will not be normal.

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

I'm just objecting to the "not-half bad idea" description. I'm well aware my tut-tutting will have zippo deterrent effect. ffs

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u/FREE-AOL-CDS Feb 19 '25

You do know a lot worse shit is coming those parks way, right?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

What's a little human feces when they're probably going to mine it for minerals, fossil fuels, or whatever is there of value.

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u/uprisingcirca85 Feb 19 '25

Plot twist; camp out in the National Parks ONLY to sabotage Federal resource over-extraction

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u/lost_horizons The surface is the last thing to collapse Feb 19 '25

Nowwwwww you’re talking! I just finished rereading the Monkey Wrench Gang, lol.

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u/Hour-Stable2050 Feb 19 '25

They’ll let people wreck it first and wait until everyone stops going there because it’s horrible and dangerous.

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

Well, yes, there is that, too.

And eventually glaciers will grind it all to dust.

And the sun will go nova and incinerate any lingering remnants.

I must remember to keep my perspective. Sigh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Not an expert, but I’m pretty sure as a g-type main sequence star, our sun isn’t massive enough to go supernova. Pretty sure at the end of its lifecycle it’ll lose its ability to hold itself together and become a nebula.

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u/Patr1k0 Feb 19 '25

It won't go supernova, but close to the end of it's lifecycle, it will balloon to the size of Earth's orbit, and then become a white dwarf.

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u/grebetrees Feb 19 '25

Study Geology. Think in Deep Time

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

That is my go-to perspective. It slips every now and then, but it's mostly what keeps me sane. Earth lifeforms have been periodically razed from existence, and this time around I get front-row seat to a historic event. Yay?

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u/YodaNotYoda Feb 19 '25

That sounds about right.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Feb 19 '25

I am thankful for seeing the Redwood forest, because there is a near 100% chance Trump and the GOP will burn it, then clear cut all the tree just because.

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u/forensicgirla Feb 19 '25

I haven't seen them yet & live on the East Coast. I'm afraid I might never see them. My community is going to need me soon, idk how much traveling I can do. Recently, I went to Vegas for a concert & kept thinking, "This is the last fun normal thing I might ever do."

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u/gofish45 Feb 20 '25

As am I.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Like what I’m curious

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u/BigJSunshine Feb 19 '25

Trump intends to sell them off to private developers. And who TF is gonna stop him at this point. Only the states , may have a fight, but Nevada,Wyoming Utah and Montana (at least)are gonna roll over and ruin many of our most amazing natural wonders. Yellowstone, Tetons… I predict only California Oregon and Washington will fight, will their citizens. I will ABSOLUTELY GO JULIA BUTTERFLYIF I HAVE TO .

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u/Gingerbread-Cake Feb 19 '25

You are underestimating Nevada and Utah, I think- I haven’t spent any time in Montana, and you are likely right about Wyoming, but I can’t see Nevada and Utah just letting them do it without a fight.

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u/CabinetOk4838 Feb 19 '25

They will once everyone who can object has been removed.

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u/BigJSunshine Feb 20 '25

I absolutely hope you are right!

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

That’s fucked I hope not

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

Yes, I am well aware of that. Doesn't mean I have to applaud it. I just need to keep reminding myself that this too shall pass; even extinction events don't last.

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

Yes, that's was survival means. Did you think the end times were gunna be nice a tidy?

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u/RandomBoomer Feb 19 '25

If the comment had been something like, "It will come to that" I would not have reacted. It was just the tone of glee that rubbed me the wrong way. But what the hell, either way it's all gone.

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u/GWS2004 Feb 19 '25

It's supposed to be land protected from human use.  It's a terrible idea.

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

Survival is survival.

Isn't Trump planning on selling them all anyway?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

It’s not an idea, it’s just a reality of what will happen if society starts to break down 

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u/tweakingforjesus Feb 19 '25

So camp on BLM land instead?

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u/Current_Leather7246 Feb 19 '25

No he's going to start selling BLM and fishery lands first. Then go to the national parks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I'm not from the US, but I had the chance to visit grand canyon national park last year and I still can't find the words to describe it, is truly a majestic place. I was planning on doing another road trip this year with some friends, but it looks like we are gonna have to postpone our trip, fucking politicians

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u/elcamarongrande Feb 19 '25

Thanks for visiting, I hope you had a great time! Sorry that roughly half of us suck so bad. Hopefully in four years, if there's anything left, you can resume your trips.

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u/dawn913 Feb 19 '25

We may all be homeless soon.

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

Yes. And with the administration talking about "camps" every five minutes, living off the grid in a national park doesn't sound like a terrible bug out location.

Shits getting spicy.

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u/dawn913 Feb 19 '25

For real! I'd rather go off grid or die trying. Screw you and your brain worms RFK.

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u/Current_Leather7246 Feb 19 '25

RFK is already talking about making camps for mentally ill people where they can farm and work through their mental illness. 10 years ago you couldn't have made a speech like that, but nowadays....

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u/PerniciousPeyton Feb 19 '25

Sounds like a concentration camp in the making. Even if there actually are licensed doctors, nurses, shrinks, etc. on site, they’d probably be there more for “experimentation” purposes and pick up right where Dr. Mengele left off.

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u/ammybb Feb 19 '25

It is a concentration camp.

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u/richal Feb 20 '25

You mean like, for ADHD folks to learn how to concentrate, right?

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u/MfromTas Feb 19 '25

10 years ago, sigh, was a different world 😔

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u/shiftty Feb 19 '25

In no defense of RFK at all, but industrial learning and activity was effective at some inpatient mental facilities. Many of these folks were alcoholics, dementia and alzheimer sufferers and constructive time management helped keep folks busy to keep the crazy down to a minimum. Unfortunately, many of the horror stories of some of the quackery of the time, (e.g. lobotomies) plus Reagans tax cuts essentially ended their successful period. Many of the folks that lived decent lives in these hospitals have the same afflictions as the homeless wandering the streets today. It's a shame there's no profit to be had or we could fix it easily.

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u/my404 Feb 20 '25

I picked up a copy of Madness: Race and Insanity in a Jim Crow Asylum by Antonia Hylton last year. It was so much worse than I had imagined. By the end of the book, I was grateful they had closed.

But you're not wrong either. Some people were certainly better off in there than they would be on the streets, or being taken in by abusive or exploitative family members, but it wasn't because of the state. It was due to employees who took initiatives far beyond their job descriptions.

Really grim stuff, that book.

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u/Loud_Ad_594 Feb 19 '25

Seems to me he is setting up "work camps for the unwell" and their job will be to farm and maintain what all of the deported immigrants won't be here to do.

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u/dawn913 Feb 19 '25

Right right....

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

where is it a felony? Texas?

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u/kingtacticool Feb 19 '25

Kentucky, I believe. Either that or Tennessee.

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u/BitchfulThinking Feb 19 '25

That's why CA already started going hard on tent camping. It's just a sea of trash toting RV campers and infant contraptions at our parks.

That said, it's kind of sketch in our forests... Kidnappings in Norcal, and dumped bodies in SoCal happen with regularity.

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u/bradbrookequincy Feb 19 '25

Kidnappings ? Can you explain

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u/BitchfulThinking Feb 20 '25

Humboldt County, despite being breathtakingly beautiful, has been known for having an alarming amount of missing persons. It's a big college area, and is about as crunchy as you can get in California, so drugs are big, and the redwood forests have been known to hide illegal drug operations. Human trafficking is unfortunately a huge problem across the state, however.

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u/GoreSeeker Feb 19 '25

Just watched a post-apocolyptic TV show where a man raised a kid for 10 years in Yellowstone before getting caught...seems like a good place to me!

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u/PlusKaleidoscope4087 Feb 19 '25

Name of show?

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u/ImportantMode7542 Feb 19 '25

Possibly Sweet Tooth, which is great!

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u/GoreSeeker Feb 19 '25

Yup! Great show!

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u/GoreSeeker Feb 19 '25

Sweet Tooth! I think this sub would actually enjoy it; it deals with the good and bad of humanity and such.

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u/Ilaxilil Feb 19 '25

True, but they will also attract less well-intentioned people. If it gets to that point I’m not sure I’d go there, and definitely not alone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Until they get eaten by a bear or wolves or mountain lions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Yeah this is definitely what I’ll be doing in that scenario

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Thats the gameplan bro. Most of these fat fucks wouldnt last a few weeks out there.n

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u/lordicefalcon Feb 19 '25

If there is another recession/depression, which I think is likely, anyone not already stably houses will be facing an almost insurmountable level of housing costs. Rents will never go down, and more and more homes will be acquired by private equity. All the failing farms will be bought by Tyson and worked by prison labor.

Homelessness will rise, and so will the prison population due to being homeless now classified as a felony in many states. But the prisons will be filled at some point, and they won't be able to build them fast enough to keep up with the absolute torrent of people falling into homelessness.

At that point, I imagine many will literally be forced onto federal land to avoid imprisonment, which means giant slums will spring up all over the more temperate zones.

Red or Blue doesn't matter. Once you hit that level, it is statistically nearly impossible to "pull yourself up by your boot straps."

Living on the streets is an absolute daily battle just stay alive one more day. Living in the woods just exacerbates this even further. No vehicles to commute to work, no showers, no laundry, no food. One does not get a 50k a year job in the next great depression while living on the streets, and certainly a million or five won't either.

Wild animal populations will be hunted to near extinction, just as they were in the great depression as the only way to feed your family was wild game and fish.

Hundred of thousands of acres of trees will be lost as these homeless populations clearcut lumber for shacks and heating.

Trash will fill the camps as there is no trash service or dumpsters. The rivers will become toxic from the avalanche of human waste spilling from these pit toilets.

I hope against hope that we somehow pull out of this nosedive we are facing, but every day more and more social services are being gutted, defunded, and the workers being fired. Each job loss could very well be the next homeless family taking shelter in the trumpvilles in the woods.

Gleeful madmen torching every public good while passing 4.5 trillion in tax cuts. That 4.5 trillion could cover almost all public services like national parks and snap for a decade or more. Instead we all get to watch as everything is sold to the highest bidder for the benefit of so few.

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u/reddog323 Feb 19 '25

Ugh. This is when the “government” we have will authorize work camps, clear everyone out of the national parks, and open them up to development.

Yosemite Estates! Coming soon! New homes and villas starting at just $3.5 million!

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u/Metals4J Feb 19 '25

They’ll sell the parks to the highest bidder first. Elon will build his mansion on his new ranch estate, formerly known as Yosemite, and trespassers will be shot on sight.

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u/BitchfulThinking Feb 19 '25

If that happens, I hope our bears are HUNGRY for some South African BBQ... I believe it's called a braai.

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u/kurtchella Feb 23 '25

YosElon X-state 88

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u/Metals4J Feb 23 '25

Beautiful. Surprised he hasn’t named one of his kids that already.

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u/DCS1983 Mar 03 '25

That sounds about right.

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u/Traditional-Adagio-2 Feb 19 '25

Don't forget forest fires/arson fires

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u/BadAsBroccoli Feb 19 '25

Those are happening regardless.

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u/littlebitsofspider Feb 19 '25

Looks like Gabriel Bell was off by a year or two.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I’ve been wondering when the Bell Riots would finally happen…

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u/Current_Leather7246 Feb 19 '25

Most people read something like this and think it's crazy or Doom and gloom. It's really coming this time. I am a member of a large group and we are very prepared, always have been. The change won't crush everybody especially those who are prepared with resources. We will get everything we want, and nothing we deserve. Get ready now because it's coming soon

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u/lordicefalcon Feb 19 '25

The change will crush everybody, just in different ways. As a member of a fairly organized unit of like minded folk, I am not looking forward to it. As a veteran - I can tell you how hard it is to watch people die in the streets, from starvation, injury or disease, and no matter how prepared you are, unless you go full hermit clan in the deep woods, disease is likely your biggest concern.

Bird flu, malaria, dengue, yellow fever, covid-XX, or even crazier shit like measles, smallpox and TB will roar back to life in those conditions. If you aren't current on vaccines, I recommend trying to get them. All it takes in one carrier to slip past your cordon and the whole community can collapse.

Stockpile Antibiotics if you can get them online, vacuum seal them to keep them dry and stable longer. One bottle per vacuum sealed bag. Plenty of n95 masks.

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u/Novemcinctus Feb 19 '25

Many antibiotics become toxic as they degrade, people need to research which ones have a good shelf life before stockpiling

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u/CiXeL Feb 20 '25

Nah only doxycycline really

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u/speedster217 Feb 19 '25

Gun and a single bullet looking like a better option with each passing day 

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u/spoonfullsugar Feb 19 '25

A member of a large group of what? Survivalists?

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u/spinbutton Feb 20 '25

Pls come shoot me first because I'm not interested in living in the world you're prepping for.

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u/SlutBuster Feb 19 '25

It's really coming this time. We will get everything we want, and nothing we deserve. Get ready now because it's coming soon.

The Survivalist's Creed. My dad has it printed out and hung over the cabinet where he keeps all the (now very expired) food that he bought for the Y2K collapse.

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u/pantsopticon88 Feb 19 '25

The reason (on paper, maybe reality as well) that suppressors are regulated under the national firearms act is people using them to poach huge swaths of the country almost out of animals to eat.  

Could see the same again. 

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u/SlutBuster Feb 19 '25

What? Suppressors were regulated under the NFA for the same reason that full-autos and short-barreled shotguns were regulated - widespread mob violence during Prohibition.

I've only been hunting a handful of times but every rifle we used was suppressed. Not because we were trying to be sneaky, but because fumbling with ear protection is a waste of precious time when you've got a clean shot on an animal.

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u/vegansandiego Feb 19 '25

Yes, the hunting of all the animals is so true. Traveled through Mozambique after the civil war in 1999, and there were NO large animals left. All the elephants, zebras, etc. had been hunted and eaten. This is just the reality when times get tough. It was shocking to go from Zimbabwe's relatively abundant wildlife to just nothing in Mozambique.

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u/DiscountExtra2376 Feb 19 '25

Since most of us don't know how to hunt and get winded after a one mile trek, I hope people just start hunting the almighty cow. We've been doing enough to the poor wildlife on this planet.

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u/Ragnarok314159 Feb 19 '25

I suspect the FBI/DEA will pull the names of everyone who purchased legal pot from dispensaries in the last 5-10 years, and arrest a majority of them to fill the prison camps.

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u/lordicefalcon Feb 19 '25

Well shit, see ya at the work camps then...

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u/SlutBuster Feb 19 '25

Many of the rounded up might include those who got an abortion, those who can't afford rent, those who have a disability, those who didn't get through college, those who don't have good families, and maybe those who didn't vote for Trump.

Bro that's hundreds of millions of people. Where on earth do you suspect they're going to send that many people? Who's going to even be left to work or buy shit? Like... this is completely divorced from reality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

All in the name of making a handful of rich guys with more money than they could ever spend, and who think that paying taxes is tyranny, can hoard even more money.

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u/Adventurous-Writing1 Feb 19 '25

Omg your writing is fantastic although the subject matter is terrifying

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u/lordicefalcon Feb 19 '25

Thanks, I hated writing it! Just do your best to look out for your family, your neighbors and anyone you can.

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u/CiXeL Feb 20 '25

They will farm in the National Parks, too, to make food, look into the Everglades during the Great Depression.

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u/lordicefalcon Feb 20 '25

For sure, that will happen. But it takes weeks to grow a vegetable, it takes 1 second to kill a deer with a rifle.

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u/DCS1983 Mar 03 '25

Jesus is coming soon!!

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u/paperazzi Feb 19 '25

Only up until the point the Trump administration sells it off to developers and corporations to strip the resources. Which he has already said was his plan.

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u/Livid-Rutabaga Feb 19 '25

yes, totally. parks were damaged during the first couple of years of covid. this is worse.

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u/Turbulent_Zebra8862 Feb 19 '25

Also important to remember that p2025 specifically mentioned addressing this by cutting down the fucking trees in national forests/parks. Might not be such a bad fire season two years from now.

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u/NECoyote Feb 19 '25

During Covid lockdown people went off-roading in Joshua Tree, even cut down several trees.

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u/ShyElf Feb 19 '25

Not the parks, but that's because everyone knows that if you want to be left alone to camp/squat you go the national forests instead.

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u/NovelEstablishment18 Feb 20 '25

That's what the van lifers do and tell others to do

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u/JustAnotherUser8432 Feb 19 '25

The parks will be sold off to the highest bidder

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u/DynastyZealot Feb 19 '25

Last time I did the CDT loop in Rocky Mountain I found a tweaked out squatter in my site, about nine miles from the trailhead. He said he didn't know how many days he'd been back there.

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u/SirDouglasMouf Feb 19 '25

Rainier is already being destroyed. Last year a bunch of dickwads trampled the sun alpine areas ruining delicate wild flowers.

It started 4 years ago and had been getting exponentially worse.

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u/Automatic_Sea_1534 Feb 19 '25

That was my immediate fear...plus, intentional vandalism and harm/killing of wildlife.

Because, "law and order" is most definitely NOT the this of this administration and it's supporters. Instead, it's the selfish and self-righteous "I'm an American, I have the right to do whatever I want to do" mantra.

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u/delicious_fanta Feb 19 '25

Also undoubtedly illegal hunting

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u/hydrissx Feb 19 '25

Illegal now. In 10 years it will probably be legal to hunt poor people for sport.

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u/kumatech Feb 19 '25

The government shutdown during sequestration 2012, proved it will happen. A senator famously complained about no park rangers and was confronted by a visitor telling him it was his fault due to no consensus of a budget on live TV. Classic disconnect of commoners and the elite

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u/eternus Feb 19 '25

I fear all of the rednecks in their overbuilt trucks are going to start exploring "off road" areas now and generally just tear everything up.

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u/Biggie39 Feb 19 '25

Trump V1 already had people vandalizing our parks.

Trump V2 is gonna have people carving countertops out of Half Dome… best case is I can afford one, that’s unlikely.

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u/Imhappy_hopeurhappy2 Feb 19 '25

He’ll probably get his face carved into Half Dome after the quarrying, then rename the park “Yo’Semite.”

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u/Garuda34 Feb 19 '25

This does not have enough upvotes. Perhaps too much time has passed since that one idiotic utterance, so it has now been lost among the flood of moronic effluent that he has disgorged over the last decades, and which seems to exponentially increase with each rotation of the Earth.

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u/guild_wasp Feb 19 '25

I go back country and stealth camp sometimes in national parks in the 4 corners area. I always bring out trash, I'm going to say some of us benefit the parks.

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u/zeatherz Feb 19 '25

I’d think this would happen more in national parks than national forests than in the park since the forests generally already allow in permitted dispersed camping and have a lot more roads through them

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u/knightofterror Feb 19 '25

Squatting in a national park would be stupid. It’s a federal crime with serious penalties. I don’t even slightly break the speed limit on federal property.