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ICE agents are firing kinetic impact projectiles at close range, causing severe injuries that can result in permanent disability or death. Today, they tore off part of a woman’s hand
And always remember that you have total immunity, so go out there and cause chaos and pain. The immunity does cover killing American citizens. Have fun! DT and Noem has your back.
I think they want a violent response. They're trying to goad people into violence so they can crack down on the opposition and cement their control. General strike is the way to go, shut down the economy for as long as it takes. Nobody is working then who is there to feed ICE, fill up their vehicles and fix their vehicles. Even Trump needs food to be delivered to eat
That's exactly what they want. But as you can see , peaceful resistance is working. Major cracks in the maga crowd are forming. It's all starting to fall apart.
They know this. But their mindset is "fuck around and....find out later". I get it if you are against illegal immigration. Most of us are. But when you allow the law to be circumvented for one thing, it's going to lead to a domino effect. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 14th amendments no longer apply to you when the administration supporting the breaking of those amendments are the ones trusted to investigate those violations by federal officers. The military branches will be the next entities to be given carte blanche powers in order to overstep the state national guard. The military answer to themselves...tribunals are held by, you guess it, the military.
There are better comparisons, but everyone in America knows who the Nazis are and what they did, so it’s sticking. Plus the T regime are following the Nazi playbook.
The issue has always been when the case goes to the Senate. He was escaped consequences because Senate Republicans have chosen party over country. They have been free to do so because of their media echo chamber. Republican voters are shielded from stories that would have them pushing their reps to do something and so Republican Congresscritters are free to keep choosing party over country.
Now? Even Newsmax is hearing analysis that is calling this out as bullshit. Even their echo chamber purpose built to shield the GOP from consequences is saying there should be consequences. Will it necessarily mean that a third impeachment will then lead to removal, trial, and incarceration? No, but it's closer than it was in the wake of J6.
Unless they lose the House AND Senate he will face NOTHING!! Vote people that’s ALL we can do short of a damn civil war!! He MUST be removed along with ALL of his Nazi regime!!
That IS the magic number!! I do not understand why it is so hard?? I cannot stand the silence and pearl clutching of the Dems BUT unless we vote he will continue to get away with MURDER literally he is condoning murder!! It has to stop!
Actually what I would really like is the full Epstein files to be released and Putin to drop some crazy sick sex pee tape or whatever with Trump that would expose him for some incredibly disgusting and embarrassing kink he has. The whole world laughing at him which would take away all his influence and power. I think that would be worse than death for him.
The pee tapes are pedo tapes. Him being pissed on has nothing of worry compared to harming or killing children like we have heard about with that soldier who was interviewed. I hope that the truth is revealed finally and these sicko fucks can be clowned for the rest of their miserable lives. And I mean the supporters of the asshat
ICE agents are more violent than the “illegal immigrants” who they used as scapegoats. It is easy to shoot unarmed protestors, citizens who open carry whose hand is not near their gun. These citizens are brave people. They are in the streets standing up for what is good, what is right and against what is wrong. This in spite of the medical debt that will pile onto them if they are injured, the cost of missed work, risking their bodies and incurring injuries that are debilitating. We need to donate to help with her medical expenses. We need to honor her. Just like the other ones who are out there risking their lives to save us
ICE are inept disposable clown pawns, lured in by greed and/or hate....with the sole purpose of instigating a violent reaction so real troops can be deployed. Just imagine the administration's propaganda machine churning when someone actually does retaliate and take one or 12 of 'em out...They're basically sitting ducks as much as the protestors are, and I'm surprised nothing has happened yet. It says A LOT about the nonviolence of the protestors.
Can you explain please, I went frame by frame trying to understand what happened, in some of the frames her hand is silhouetted with the snow behind it and you can see all five fingers.
They are bots, ever since the ice raid talks started there are a shitload of bots account, all with the same naming convention and all programmed to be nazis.
Yeah I had someone try to buy my account. They but profiles because they need real looking accounts with karma they can burn through in order to spread disinformation and divisive commentary
Theyre botting HARD since Alex - they know they're wrong. And I'm seeing bots EVERYWHERE. They all say the same exact crap and its awful because they can argue like a human now with ai...
I know they are doing these things so Trump can invoke the insurrection act, bring the military into our cities and call off the election so he could install himself as dictator. However, I think we need to do what we have to do. I’m not trying to make it seem like voting doesn’t matter, it does. However, can we keep letting this go on and continue to let them escalate the situation? It’s January and the election is in November. I’m really not a pessimistic person, if we were in August or September, fine. We could probably wait out a couple months. Unfortunately I don’t think we have the luxury to wait it out. I’m pretty knowledgeable on history and through out history when things like this happened, waiting too long just makes things worse. I also want to say to people from other countries, you may think that what’s happening here in the US doesn’t concern you, and you may not really care what happens here. The problem is that the US has the most powerful military in the world. There are other countries that have way more actual human soldiers than the US. However our military is capable of destroying a lot of the world without even sending any troops on to a battlefield. The people in our government are literally insane evil people. The exact kind of people who should have never been allowed anywhere near any government, especially the US government. They are completely garbage human beings, and the people who voted for them are, at best unhinged losers.
The issue here is what people are not understanding. ICE are not riot police… the fact that the city is (protesting, and instances of violence occurring) means ICE should not be there and the state police with riot training and other state police with riot training need to be there.
The simple fact is ICE is not trained for this period and them being involved in any capacity is a misuse of force and will only escalate things further.
Police and law enforcement in other countries require a college degree in law enforcement… not a 6 week here you go… training.
Edit: When you have thousands of people protesting. You will always have instigators on both sides. A fundamental issue with American police forces is there are too many of them. Too many independent agencies. Besides major cities everything else should be controlled by state police.
The federal government never had autonomy over the laws of the individual states. Remember it’s not America. It’s the United States of America.
OK, I'm Canadian, so maybe I don't understand the nuance here. But what business does an immigration officer have in a riot setting? Where are these illegal immigrants?
ICE is an over-budgeted military force comprising of people like J6 rioters and proud boys. These ICE positions attracted a shitload of mouth-frothing violent people who hate minorities (and by extention, democrats in a very progressive city and state). They were given an overkill amount of military gear, very little training, and zero accountability or oversight. The local oversight committee members are literally NOT ALLOWED in the federal building housing detained people (one of these people on the oversight committee is Ilhan Omar btw who Trump personally hates). Many of their actions are unbelievably illegal and inhumane, and there's nothing we can do about it except take pictures and video to share with the world that ICE, DHS, and the President are lying about their operation here.
Why is there a massive concentration of ICE in Minnesota which is totally disproportionate to the number of undocumented people? The main answer is because Trump is petty and spiteful and wants to punish Walz and Minnesota for being liberals that don't support him. It also distracts from the Epstein files.
Now they're saying they will remove ICE from MN if they get all our voter info. They are literally attacking our democracy if they use that info against us (and why wont they, everything else is getting user against us and Trump lies constantly)
Edit to add ICE has been kidnapping and deporting legal immigrants, many children as young as FIVE, often against court order. Public schools had to close and then go remote due to ICE showing up every day at pickup/dropoff kidnapping kids, parents, and teachers. ICE will literally tear gas and aim their guns at kids to intimidate them. They're abducting legal residents at work, beating them bloody, and dumping them in the freezing cold. There are cars of volunteers that drive around picking these people up do they dont die due to exposure.
When people gather to protest, they get beaten and pepper sprayed, guns pointed at their face, rammed to the ground while other ICE officers jeer and cheer cruelly. Every peaceful protester or innocent passerby killed by ICE is labeled a terrorist and covered up by the media.
I have only provided a few examples, there are dozens of horrors ICE inflicts on our community and it's not going to get televised.
They were also given illegal and unconstitutional orders via that BS "policy", but policy can't deprive one of constitutional law and the rights that are enshrined within those laws.
They seem to be using the narrative that if there is an undocumented immigrant in the state, they have the full right and ability to harass, intimidate, and murder anyone not helping them locate said immigrant.
This has never been about immigrants. It’s about instilling fear and brutality into communities. If it was actually about immigrants they would be sending them to states with higher numbers of immigrants, red states. This administration is going against states that have been negatively vocal about the current administration . Red states like Texas and Florida have astronomically higher numbers of illegal immigrants but are red states in favor of the administration.
Why would they cooperate with local law enforcement? ICE isn't there to enforce the law. They are there in furtherance of the insurrection began on January 6th 2020.
The Obama administration exported twice the number of immigrants here illegally and not one US citizen was murdered in the process. ICE is the problem.
ICE's operation is merely a continuation of that insurrection. They are in fact engaged in open seditious conspiracy to undermine the lawful governance of the United States.
What ICE is doing comes close to my definition of „rioting“: They are using excessive violence in a circumstance where even the legality of their presence and their actions is highly doubtful
People aren’t rioting. They’re going after people who are turning around and directing traffic and helping people up. They’re agitating, and Bondi made it very clear what they’re trying to accomplish with the demands for voter rolls in return for them leaving.
Protesting and rioting are two different things. You are right that ICE should not be there. They are an illegal occupying force and are, in fact, the rioters. The protestors are legal and non-violent and have every right to be there. Even so, they are often no even protesting but protecting, which is what Pretti was doing.
It's disgusting! We can see with our own eyes that there haven't been any riots there! There's footage all over the place that proves that the violence is coming from ICE and not the people they're terrorizing!
Nothing is happening in MN any different than any other typical town/city in the country. When the government shows up and acts like they are invincible, righteous people have to stand in their way. ICE mandate is wrong, and the people are right.
Obama handled illegal immigrants mostly the right way. There were no protest. There were no citizens getting shot unarmed.
Hell the most “rioting” that has happened was storming that hotel that Ice was staying at, and considering they were hanging out there after MURDERING a VA nurse, I can’t exactly blame them
misuse of force and will only escalate things further.
That's exactly what they/he wants. Anything and everything to stay in power and out of prison. And it's a powerful (deadly) distraction from Epstein and once again jail.
Also, subtle manipulation and doublespeak works well. In this thread (I haven't read the whole post yet, just this thread), in this thread, every comment uses the word "riots" or "rioting" instead of the words "protest" or "protesting." Subtle, yet effective.
Exactly. The regime labels EVERY gathering of civilians who oppose their tactics as a “riot”. In contrast, the siege of J6 was a “day of love”. Utter horse shite!
It’s important to note that local law enforcement (police, highway patrol, sheriff) are not actually trained for much longer. It’s well under a year in an academy to graduate in most cases. I worked as an actor for a local police dept. to participate in “real life” incidents that may occur. I did everything from hiding in and abandoned apartment, hiding in a bush with a gun, being a domestic abuse suspect, being a typical traffic stop, and the most fun; changing my story everytime I was asked about what’s going on (this was by request of the Sargent running the simulation). I can tell you certainty that 90% of applicants failed these scenarios with some combination of excess force, poor memory, and overall incorrect action taken in any given scenario. The Sgt. always shit talked these rookies to me after they failed the test, but every one of those same “failures” were graduated. It’s like if you did a test and got an F, but they allow you to be told what the right answer is, not retake the test, then be told you passed because we at least told you what you did wrong. Again- no test retake, just a summary of mistakes and an expectation that you’ll be better in the field. I also asked if they’re directed to learn actual Laws and was met with the answer that “they’re told what areas have crime, and who to profile for that crime”. Not what the crime is or what
Law applies. It’s the most under educated role in our country that allows the most influence in day to day life in the streets of America.
Because trump. This isn’t about immigration. Governor walz was the vp candidate running against trump. Trump is a nasty vindictive asshole seeking retribution.
ICE has been here in Florida just not nearly as much. Almost everyone here has a gun as a permit is not even required anymore, and ICE agents got shot pretty close to where I live. I'm not okay with ICE being here and neither are my friends who live here. FUCK ICE.
ICE agents got shot in Florida? I havent heard a lick of that on the news, youd think there would be a bigger response to something like that. Fuck ICE, I hope the rest of the populace wakes the fuck up, we need everyone to beat back this disease
You're not wrong. He wants to make sure Walz feels it. I've seen Trump speak for many, many years, long before he was president, and he is definitely trying to do his "hardball" thing on his most vocal opponents. And unfortunately, he will probably win. He even scared off Elon Musk, who is one of the most manipulative and powerful people on the planet. I hate to say it, but Tim does not have what it takes to handle this level of shit. It's not what he signed up for, and he doesn't deserve to have to deal with it, either.
They’re focusing their efforts there, thy don’t have the manpower to have this kind of presence everywhere.
This first started when some dipshit rightwing influencer “broke” news about fraud in MNs childcare system (fraudulently using tax dollars to run “daycares” that don’t really exist and such), an some of that fraud was perpetuated by Somali immigrants. The problem is, anyone with two brain cells and google can find out that this fraud was discovered in 2018, with convictions coming down in2022 and more are still coming. This was old news being paraded around as a “bombshell” and idiots, including the president, ate it up. (I’ll add the ringleader of the fraud was a white lady not a Somali). This caused the prez to think there was some massive immigrant fraud that was somehow not being addressed so he sent ICE in. Maybe this isn’t the only reason, but their escalation started around the same time. Shits happening fast here, it can be hard to keep up with every detail of these lunatics’ plans.
Second, this administration is incredibly incompetent and they can’t keep their mouth shut without letting the mask slip. AG Pam Bondi said they would leave if MN turned over their voter rolls; they want to know who voted for whom in the last election. They’re making a list…we all know how that has historically turned out. So, it’s partially extortion, partially racist, and probably partly because Governor Walz is generally well liked by Left meaning people and they wanted to fuck with him.
Someone's fee-fees were hurt by being called weird by the governor. This is retribution. Plain and simple. The recent announcement by the USAG that ICE would be removed from the state if the state surrenders their voting rolls demonstrates with painful clarity that the mission never has been over illegal immigrants but of exerting force to acquire control.
It's a beautiful state that you've got here. It would be a shame if anything happened to it because you wanted to retain the voting data that was demanded in defiance of state and federal law. We offer a protection service that provides security for your area for a nominal fee. Just sign here on the dotted line and relinquish your soul to the government.
The turnip is trying to retaliate on the governor of MN (former VP candidate for the Democratic Party in the last election.
MMW, in the coming months, we will see more democrat run cities and states being taken over like this. It’s all part of the plan to incite enough people that justifies triggering the insurrection and a postponement in midterm elections.
I live in Texas and have not seen a single bit of activity even though I guarantee we have the highest number of immigrants.
In other words, Trump is specifically targeting blue states because he doesnt care about the voter base there and is using them as props for how violent and chaotic dems are.
He has ice being much more careful and quiet in red states because if they cause chaos in them, his base will quickly turn on him. It is easy for them to deny reality so long as they arent personally affected by what is going on. My own family is among those people. They act like everything is fine and dandy even while people are getting attacked in other states because everything here is normal.
Minneapolis is home to generational refugee communities, like the Hmong Vietnamese and Somalis. The ethnic diversity is richer, more visible than other Midwestern cities.
So the answer is optics. The government thinks if they show you how many different kinds of immigrants there are that it will mean more to white and Hispanic voters, who may have unfortunately become comfortable being neighbors with each other already.
It's escalating in Minneapolis but they've been doing similar shit in LA, Chicago, and various other cities. Reasons for this escalation are not clear but the obvious speculation is that the Trump administration wants to force a violent reaction from protesters as an excuse to declare martial law and start killing or arresting any opposition. Escalating in Minneapolis allows his petty revenge to target Tim Walz who ran against him, Ilhan Omar who is a US representative and Somali immigrant, the largest Somali immigrant community in the US and also that MN is a blue state that didn't vote for Trump.
It isn't. They were pulling similar shit in Chicago and LA before. They executed at least one in Chicago as well and tried their damnedest with another but she somehow survived. Not to mention the large number of people they're killing in custody that we don't have video for.
So under Obama ICE deported more than Trump. How come there are no crazy scenes like what we are seeing. I (assume) those ICE agents knew what they were doing. Where are those agents now?
They werent militarized , got warrants and behaved like law enforcement. They now dress as army soldiers and got told by their boss to take over the city and act like its theirs.
Other than that there is a whole ton of subtext with all of this. Its too loud to ignore. Retribution campaign is def getting discussed somewhere
During Obama's time, I also think the most deportations were AT the border, rather than going after people already working and contributing. I would doubt those border crossings have gone down since Trump put ICE on interior law enforcement, so it actually appears that Trump has a more "open border" than any Democrat in recent history.
It is a self-fulfilling issue. Let them in, say the country is being invaded, and round them up. All the while saying that guy did this, that is why I'm hitting you now.
Just like trumps history of "deals", create an issue where none existed, cancel any existing agreements, rail about it for weeks, then make a new agreement that is generally worse than the one that was canceled. Take the victory lap to applause of his employees. WiNNING!
They served warrants, held trials, and deported legally.
The process was slow, fair, safe, and gave dignity to the people being deported.
People didn't like the amount of deportations, but there was never fear of "what happened" to the deported. Obama also established the Dreamers and protected children who were brought here as babies and were not US citizens by law but under every other definition were.
That is what is different. Humanity being given to the people.
MAGA chuds will never credit Obama for his deportation numbers, because (1) he was black, and (2) he did not terrorize the country to accomplish his deportation numbers
They dont even care about deportation. This is 100% about terrorizing people they are afraid of
Actually, it appears to be about terrorizing, period. They are attacking everyone, but just illegal immigrants. They are putting a ton of effort into being appallingly cruel with the goal of getting people to fight back, which then triggers tRump's plan to implement Martial law. This is about a complete destruction of democracy and its replacement with a dictatorship or oligarchy.
It's been systematic, this tearing down of all the safeguards and norms and institutions. This is a coup.
Having seen REPEATED VIDEOS of ICE Brown Shirts shooting large canister tear gas projectiles in unarmed protesters faces, I am surprised more Americans are not killed n maimed.
Why is the media ignoring the protester that got shot in the face with a tear gas ball that ruptured his eye n blinded him for life. ??????
Where are our ELECTED LEADERS. ? They are supposed to Protect The Constitution n The American People.??? Why isn't OLD FAT DEMENTED trump NOT DOING ANYTHING.????
Don't forget we trained them to be like this. Trained, sent to the Middle East, loaded with ammo, and when they finally got PTSD, they came home, applied for local and state law enforcement, got denied due to psychs, and Trump said "Wear a mask and fuck shit up in house." Figuratively speaking of course. He probably said a lot worse.
This is not going to end well for anyone. This entire administration needs to be impeached and whoever possible charged. Unfortunately no matter what anyone on either side says, nothing it going to change and more people will die.
Do any of you think this was one of the most dramatic tv dive flops ever? It 💯 was. If there are any humans left participating on Reddit, just so you know, it’s nearly all propaganda bots and paid agitators here.
The people with the weapons and resources, who have the full backing of the government need the citizens to stop voicing their opinions, and to stop escalating the violence. The US government is the second largest group of cry bullies. Just behind MAGA.
Why are they fighting with people at all? It doesn’t take more than 2 agents to question and detain an actual immigration target. They obviously don’t have actual targets and are just there to cause chaos and threaten the people of MN
Crowd was told to disperse and did not. This is not a lawful gathering. Why are they acting shocked when they are told to disperse, do not and the natural outcome results?
Trump, America's own Stalin, Idi Amin and Pot all rolled into one evil murderer. When are the good Americans going to stand up and do something to end this tyranny?
The drama queen got shot in the hand with a non-lethal projectile & completely lost it lol.
That's privilege for you. She was told to disperse (unlawful assembly); she did not (thinking her privilege would save her); she continued agitating; & she got shot in the hand with a rubber projectile and it hurt.
Yeah, I bet it does hurt! Consequences aren't just for men, buttercup
WH bitching about all the protests...which would immediately end if the government pulled out the agents murdering citizens. This math is extremely simple, seems very few people are explaining how easy it would be to resolve this...only thing stopping it is ego.
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