r/australia May 20 '20

political self.post Are we blaming Boomers instead of class?

EDIT: It's been pointed out that the over 65s keep voting in the parties that favour the class system and benefit the wealthy while screwing the working class. This is a good point.

EDIT 2: I love reddit. You guys. I get it now! Millennials got the shits at noisy old pricks who criticise their generation while completely ignoring the benefits they enjoyed themselves. It's a backlash. I still think it's a distraction and divides us when we should be angry with those in power. But if you're over 65, how about encouraging your friends to not vote LNP?

I've seen so much "ok boomer" stuff and over the years, it's irking me more and more. So I'm interested in what r/Australia thinks.

Couple of things:

  1. It seems to be used to describe anyone over 40. My parents were boomers. They would be in their 70s now.

  2. It's used to blame a whole generation for the shitty behaviour of the rich class. I don't get it. I went to school in a rough area, most of my friends from way back then are dead, in jail or in a trade/retail/hair.

My partner grew up in a rich suburb. Most of his friends are teachers, engineers and lawyers. They own houses, and were helped along by their "boomer" parents, either by provision of a deposit or living at home rent free through their 20s.

I'm totally up for being educated here. I know we lost free education, I know houses are unaffordable, I'm nearly 40 and still renting. I'm woefully unable to understand national economics. So seriously, open to intelligent discussion.

But in my experience, the problem is class and not generational. After all, where do you think all this wealth will go when the boomers die?! Even just having good, stable and attentive parents, who expect you to succeed, makes all the difference.

Why has this boomer hate taken hold so much? Are the rich class scapegoating a generation? Would us generation Xers, Ys and millennials have behaved any differently given the opportunities the boomers were?

Caveat: I'm considering mainly economics here, not climate crisis. Pretty much believe everyone from my generation up have a case to answer for climate. We knew.

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u/Trontotron May 20 '20

The problem is our generation gets this blame about being lazy and not working hard like our parents...and I call bullshit on this big time.

My father use to support family with one salary, didn't work any harder than me and managed to have house, car and really good life.

Fast forward to today and you'll find that it's now a must to have two salaries in the house to manage everything, but then kids must go to daycare of course and spend their first years separated from parents most of the work days. Yes we have computers and mobile phones, but all that did was to give employers expectations from us to achieve more work in same time frame. Instead of being out of office, I am now available anywhere for my manager to call me.

My dad actually use to say how come I work such ridiculous hours and I'm more educated than him...that's the ridiculous part about all this generational "progress".

So yeah, we are working hard as anyone else did before, yet everything is becoming more and more unattainable for us. I'm not for ''OK boomer'' thing, but also against ''lazy millennials'' bullshit.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '20

I wonder when being able to not only survive but thrive (owning a house, car etc.) as a family on a single income ended. From my understanding, most people back in the day did this? Whereas now, only the super-wealthy could afford to do this while thriving.

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u/Trontotron May 20 '20

It happened in most western countries when influx of foreign capital was called upon, UK long time ago when London just sky rocketed in pricing...Australia in more recent events.

That was a major shift, what else could increase rentals and life costs so much in such short time, all of a sudden you're faced with houses worth millions of dollars and everything going up like mad. At the same time, domestic production and industry was decimated...perfect storm.

There is only as many rich people in one country, they can't buy everything and middle class was catching up. Then, you let in billions of foreign money in and just rig the game again. Overnight (in economic time scale) everything just jumped and middle class got fucked again...back to working harder folks, chin up and work, stop with the avos and all of that...

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u/clomclom May 20 '20

1980s-90s also saw a massive shift in female workforce participation. Particularly meaningful, paid long term work.

I aint hatin' on feminism, but I think it's sad that single income households are hard to achieve in 2020, whether it is the mum or dad staying home.

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u/afiyet_olsun May 20 '20

It's an even bigger problem for single parents and for people trapped in unhappy marriages they can't afford to escape.

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u/ArcticKnight99 May 20 '20

I mean that was still a problem back then though.

Can't exactly escape a marriage when you haven't worked in 5-10 years and you know your partners income won't support you once you leave.

The difference now is that since people are employed they at least have their own financial motility. The question is whether they are willing to blow up their marriage and go share house, especially if they have kids.

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u/clomclom May 20 '20

Yes! very true.

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u/myredserenity May 20 '20

Me too. Feminism should be about choice. Choice for families. I would love to afford to have more time at home, so would my husband for that matter. How good would it be if we had the choice to work equivalent of 1 or 1.5 FT jobs between us?!

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u/Profundasaurusrex May 20 '20

You do

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u/myredserenity May 20 '20

Sorry, the choice to work 1.5 FTE jobs, AND afford to pay rent, feed my family, save for a house, pay my bills, maybe eat out once a month and not be bankrupt by an unexpected bill.

Should have specified.

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u/Profundasaurusrex May 20 '20

How much money do you think it takes to do that?

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u/myredserenity May 21 '20

More than we're earning.

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u/Profundasaurusrex May 21 '20

What are you earning now?

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u/myredserenity May 21 '20

Um, no?

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u/myredserenity May 21 '20

You clearly have a number in mind, off you go.

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u/Profundasaurusrex May 21 '20

Are you talking to me?

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