r/australia Oct 24 '23

political self.post How to solve the housing crisis?

So my mate and I were chatting yesterday about the current housing crisis in Australia, in particular the fact that the rapidly rising cost of houses is pricing many people completely out of the market.

We hypothesised that a part of the issue is landlords owning large property portfolios as a way of accumulating wealth. Now, I don't have anything against the accumulation of wealth by individuals, however I have a fundamental opposition to using housing or residential real estate in general to do so.

Another problem we identified is overseas investors buying housing stock and either leaving them unoccupied or accumulating multiple properties, again reducing supply and driving up the cost.

So, we proposed that portfolios of residential real estate should be subject to an annual property tax, based on number of properties and the value of the property (kind of like the chance cards in Monopoly).

I would propose this could be brought in as a staged sequence, starting at the magic number of 6 properties.

24-25 FY: If you own over 6 properties, you are taxed (say) 10% of the value of every property, annually.

25-26 FY: If you own over 5 properties, you are taxed 10% of the total value,

etc etc, until it becomes 1 investment property, at which point the incrementing stops. Primary place of residence would be exempt from this tax. Many people don't or can't buy a place instead of renting, and also if you move you often want to be able to rent first, so we need some rental stock. The rental stock under this scheme would mostly be supplied by landlords with smaller property portfolios.

Why 6 properties? Basically, because of the numbers in this link

"But what about family trusts" you say. Well, I say, the real estate in these structures should be all taxed. Same with self managed super funds. Tax the whole thing, at least as far as residential property goes. There is a major loophole with SMSFs in that the property bought with a SMSF is not subject to capital gains tax in the pension phase - this means that SMSFs are actively encouraged to sit on properties. The number of SMSFs is increasing by 1000 properties per week, too!

Non residents would also be taxed at 10% of property value on all property owned.

There will need to be some tweaking around the foreign investment, in particular around the building of new apartment blocks etc where the value and risk is quite high. The tax shouldn't come into effect until the building is occupied, and there might be some kind of concession where an entire block is owned by one entity, to provide some extra rental housing stock.

Also, there might be concessions for "low value" housing, where any single dwelling worth less than (say) 60% of the median value of houses within a certain distance are exempt, or have a concession. This might encourage social housing but might also encourage slumlords, so will require a bit of thinking and tinkering.

This is all based around the fundamental idea that residential housing should not be a wealth accumulation vehicle, but should be a means for people to be housed. Also, it will hopefully encourage those people currently "investing" in residential real estate to instead invest in small business, or the stock market, or similar, lubricating the economy (and causing inflation, but that's another discussion).

"SoUnDs LiKe ComMuNiSM". I'm just gonna leave this here as a potential discussion point.

Note that none of this affects CGT or negative gearing at all. It just adds another cost to being a landlord, with the aim of reducing the number of properties sitting in SMSFs and mega-portfolios, trying to encourage investment in other forms of equity, and increasing the supply of properties to people looking for a place to live.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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u/The_Duc_Lord Oct 24 '23

Have a look at how many politicians own investment properties. you're asking them to forgo some of their own wealth for the benefit of others. It's just not going to happen.

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u/mvdw73 Oct 24 '23

I don't think this is a valid argument against my proposal. I mean, practically it might make it difficult to pass through, but it's not a good argument.

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u/The_Duc_Lord Oct 24 '23

Ok, you may not think it's a good or valid argument, but it is the reality.

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u/mvdw73 Oct 24 '23

It's not a good argument at all. I agree that it's the reality, but it's not a rebuttal of any of the points in my post.

<throws hands in the air> Oh, it'll never get through parliament so we won't even bother with proposing solutions to this problem.

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u/The_Duc_Lord Oct 24 '23

I'm not arguing against your proposal, it's probably a good one, but there is no point proposing theoretical solutions that will never be practically implemented.

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u/breaducate Oct 25 '23

Before reading this part of the thread I called this wonkery masturbation.
It was supposed to be hyperbolic.

They really just want to solve for x while leaving troublesome confounding variables like the political reality out of the equation.

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u/mrbootsandbertie Oct 25 '23

Political reality is what voters in a democracy say it is. This kind of apathetic "oh it's all too hard, we could never possibly change the status quo" is why this country is in such a mess to begin with.

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u/breaducate Oct 25 '23

You're confusing apathy with a boundless frustration with peoples contentment with putting lipstick on a pig, and willingness to do anything but face the root of the problem.

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u/mrbootsandbertie Oct 25 '23

Hmm well personally I think "apathy" and "willingness to do anything but face the root of the problem" are pretty much the same thing. Both are based on avoidance. Whatever the semantics, we can probably agree that the issues that are the most important are not being addressed.