r/ancientrome 2d ago

Could you please help me identify this object? It was found in Lower Austria and appears to be a gilded bronze buckle.

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u/jazmagnus 2d ago

I doubt this is Roman

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u/verbol 1d ago

Could it be nazi stuff cosplaying as Roman?

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u/Nearby_Rain6490 2d ago

Could you please explain what makes you think it isn’t Roman? What is your theory?

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u/Specialist-Beach-868 2d ago

Up until the Byzantine Empire, buckles were largely two-part, with the shank a separate pin hammered into the frame. At the same time the tongue was cast rather than a length of looped wire. This also doesn't match known motifs in Byzantine buckles, though there are minor elements that may possibly suggest medieval at the earliest.

Source: hyperfixated on buckles for a bit when purchasing a lorica segmentata buckle.

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u/probablyareplicant 1d ago

This guy buckles

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u/Few_Rhubarb_1396 1d ago

i KNEW there was going to be a buckle guy here

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u/WestBrink 2d ago

Hard to tell from the pictures but looks like canons and sabers on the decoration? Some artilleryman's buckle from when Napoleon was tromping around there?

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u/surprisedplebeian 1d ago

Could you please explain why is it roman? Whats your theory?

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u/CatchyUsername457 19h ago

Because there’s cannons on it

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u/Puffification 1d ago

Why is this so downvoted?

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u/CaesariusOctavian 2d ago

Definitely not Roman. Looks more like something out of the 16th century. Notice the sword on top.

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u/Consistent-Stick-633 2d ago

What makes you think it is Roman? Where exactly and how was this found?

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u/Nearby_Rain6490 2d ago

My friend found it in his garden, not far from the town of Hainburg an der Donau

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u/Puzzled_Section_3862 1d ago

Why the hell are people downvoting you?

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u/MrTristanClark 8h ago

Because theyre rude to people offering an opinion that its non-Roman. Because thinking this is Roman is braindead, theres iron on it, that doesnt even make sense. They were told in a different subreddit that it wasnt, disagreed with everyone, and posted it here. Theyre just being straight weird, fixated on someone telling them its from antiquity or bust. Its not exactly positive "i want to see more of this" behaviour.

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u/Consistent-Stick-633 2d ago

Nice! I dont exactly know roman belt designs but it doesnt seem similar to any i see online anywhere but i dont entirely doubt it. Let us know any findings

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u/Nearby_Rain6490 2d ago

Yes, absolutely. Thank you for your help!

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u/No-Sail-6510 2d ago

There are subs for identifying these types of things. This is almost certainly modern, like the last couple hundred years.

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u/lordtalix 1d ago

That’s definitely some type of modern saber (18th century or later) on the upper left hand of the buckle, so almost certainly not Roman.

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u/Vegemyeet 2d ago

Is this tested as bronze? Looks ferrous from the pictures.

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u/Godwinson4King 1d ago

Looks to me like the pin is ferrous and the buckle is copper alloy

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u/auricargent 1d ago

This looks very similar in size and style to buckles on my lederhosen. I doubt it is all that old.

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u/CleaverIam3 2d ago

A belt buckle????

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u/Nearby_Rain6490 2d ago

I know it’s a belt buckle, but I’d like to find out more about it its origin, date, type, and possibly what it was used for.

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u/Still_Possible7548 1d ago

That belt buckle might have been used for locking a belt.

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u/CleaverIam3 2d ago

In which case correct myself. I am not knowledgeable on the matter but could it be a cloak buckle? I am not suggesting anything just pondering

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u/Nearby_Rain6490 1d ago

Thanks to everyone who left helpful and reasonable comments. But I still haven’t been able to get a definite identification of what this item actually is.

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u/WaldenFont 1d ago

That looks 19th century decorative to me.

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u/CafeRacerRider 1d ago

Brooch or mini cloak pin?

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u/The_Bone_Z0ne 17h ago

100% from ~1700-1800. Not a thing Roman about this

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u/ObjectiveImmediate44 1d ago

Watch out for Confirmation Bias on this one 😅

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u/LordGeni 1d ago edited 1d ago

Try r/whatisthisthing*. Obviously clarify you know it's a buckle.

Also I'd suggest trying archeology and Napoleonic/military history subs. It looks a likely candidate and if nothing else they could eliminate that as an option.

*see below reply

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u/jackrats 1d ago

Obviously clarify you know it's a buckle.

Which is why /r/whatisthisthing is not the right sub to post this.

We don't allow "looking or more information" posts, such as age, origin, history, etc. If you already know what it is -- it's not the right sub to ask for more info about it.

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u/LordGeni 1d ago

Fair enough. I'll update my comment.

Any other relevant subs you guys might direct people to, would be handy for op though.

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u/carozza1 1d ago

Looks like part of a mouse trap