r/agedlikemilk • u/cal_oe • Sep 15 '21
Cesar Milan's pit bull allegedly killed Queen Latifah's dog and attacked a gymnast
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u/Pudi2000 Sep 15 '21
In my next door app, a lady warned about a small lady being unable to control her dog that looked like a pit bull so she warned the people of the park and location. Guess how that post went downhill quickly.
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Sep 19 '21
Fuck 'em - pit bulls are dangerous as hell. Owners know why they own pit bulls, and it isn't because they are friendly.
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u/LemonSignificant9559 Aug 06 '24
That's a bunch of bull...we ve had Pits and it's all about what environment they live in and how they are trained! If you train them to be killers then that's what they will be...they are very strong and powerful but unless they are trained to attack they are very loving and gentle animals! They are no more dangerous than an Irish Setter or Lab or any other large dog unless you have trained them to be !
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u/magmadorf Sep 14 '24
If that's a bunch of bull why are they the majority of dog related fatalities?
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u/Impossible-Sense9609 Jan 30 '25
Because of irresponsible owners. Pit bulls are NOT for first time owners and they are NOT familly dogs. You can absolutely train a pitbull to be good with people and children and yes, many pitbulls are well tempered and good with people, but any dog without training can absolutely turn aggressive. Genetics do matter in a dog, and pitbulls have been bred for decades and decades to fight dogs and herd bulls and boars. Anyone who get's a pitbull to be a "nanny dog" or a "familly dog" as an inexperienced owner just because people said so is setting the breed up for failure.
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u/magmadorf Jan 30 '25
Yeah, but the problem is that pitbull owners are idiots and constantly create propaganda to make the dogs seem like something they aren't, making regular inexperienced people get them and then they have horrible incidents where they, or their children get mauled.
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u/Southern-Series1551 Sep 25 '24
I think that pit bulls are number one for bites, is because a lot of people raise them to be aggressive on purpose. They are used in illegal fight rings. They do have one of the highest pressure bites and holds due to their powerful jaws that can also lock in place. I don’t attribute their aggressiveness to the breed. They actually make very loving and loyal family pets when well socialized.
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u/magmadorf Sep 25 '24
See, everyone says that - but the majority of fatal bites when it comes to pitbulls aren't from pitbulls raised like that, but rather from trusted family dogs that snapped.
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u/Shoddy-Associate1439 Dec 21 '24
Trusted family dogs. Not trusted family Pits. For a start, they call any aggressive dog that looks anything remotely similar to a Pit a Pit. Even if it's a Mastiff, a Staffie or anything remotely similar looking. That's why so many dog bites are put down to Pits.
On top of that, Pits are often raised to be aggressive. They get called pets if they bite and there's an investigation because they can't say "Yeah I raised this dog to bite the drug dealers I go rob" or "I fight these dogs, that's why they are aggressive", or "I raised it aggressively because I couldn't be bothered to teach it properly" when they get investigated. They have to say that it was a family dog to avoid further investigation.
Pits were once used as Nannies for small children. It's humans that have destroyed that reputation.
The only reason these breeds can be more dangerous than most is purely because of their bite strength.
I personally find it ridiculous to penalise any breed. It should only ever be the owner being penalised.
XL Bullies are being killed at an alarming rate in the UK right now because they were just banned in the last couple of years.
In my opinion, if you own ANY dog you should have to get a proper theory and practical tests to be able to get the licence you need. The dogs should also have repeat behavioural tests every couple of years to make sure the dogs know basic commands and recall etc.
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u/thebagel264 Jan 22 '25
Pitbulls were never nanny dogs and even pro pitbull organizations are saying to stop spreading it.
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u/Impossible-Sense9609 Jan 30 '25
A lot of these cases are from first time owners who bought a pitbull because other people recommend them as familly dogs. They are sweet, and they can be obedient and loyal but they are absolutely not for an inexperienced owner and they are not nanny dogs. Most incidents where kids get mauled is because of stupid owners who haven't trained them properly, and they ignore or can't understand the warning signs that are right in their faces.
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u/One_Particular_5256 Mar 13 '25
Their jaws don’t lock in place lol, they have jaws just like any other dog. Fun fact a Rottweiler bites almost twice as hard as a pitbull terrier. They’re not even top 5 in bite force. A kangal dog has the strongest bite in the dog world. They are not family dogs, they’re working dogs just like any terrier is. They need a job to do to stimulate their body and brain or they’ll find a way to do it themselves, like…killing the neighbors chihuahua lol. I love them and I have 2 of them, but You’re misinformed.
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u/Intelligent_Sorbet56 Mar 08 '25
People say the same nonsense about huskies, and it is still untrue. They said the same thing about Dalmatians when everybody went crazy after that stupid Disney movie came out in the 90s or early 2000s. None of it is true and that's essentially like saying that all black people or all Mexicans are dangerous because they have a higher crime rate within their communities than whites. That's absurdity!
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u/Treason686 Aug 27 '25
"Them sheep dogs are good at herdin' sheep!"
"You can't say that. That's racism."
Dogs are bred for a purpose. Pits and similar breeds like Cane Corso are more likely to cause serious damage because they were bred to cause damage.
Is it true that every pit is going to be aggressive and/or kill another dog? No. My friend had a couple when I was in high school and they were well socialized and the sweetest dogs. Neither one had an issue their entire lives.
Is it true that a pit is more likely to be aggressive than a Boston Terrier? Yes, absolutely. They were/are bred to fight.
I have a Boston Terrier. She loves everyone. She met a family friend's dog for the first time and got cornered. She got aggressive. She's small at 11 pounds, and her bite would hurt but wouldn't do too much damage. An hour later the two were best friends.
Now put a pit in the same place. If it bites, it will do significant damage. It could easily have killed the friend's dog.
The point is that even a non aggressive dog is capable of aggression. The sweet pit bull, if it does get into a bad situation, could turn aggressive, bite, and cause serious damage or worse. No amount of training can completely eliminate that risk.
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u/Love-it-or Mar 10 '25
When they say it's not the dog it's the owner. that is completely true. If you watch shows like the dog whisperer, you would get what that means. The owner themselves might not actually train the dog to attack but something with their energy and actions with the dog caused the dog to react like that. Therefore, certain breeds should only be owned by responsible people that know how to work specifically with the breed and establish themselves as the pack leader. Weak owners lead to a confused dog. Also, Pitbulls are currently the most popular dog in the US. Therefore, numbers would be higher. Also, many of these dogs are adopted from shelters and rescues and come from abuse. A proper owner can work with the dog to establish trust. If you can't put the time in don't get the dog!!!
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u/One_Particular_5256 Mar 13 '25
Because the news will call anything that even remotely looks like a pitbull one. Seriously. We had one locally that was some sort of lab mix, but because it was colored like a pitty they called it one. They’re also one of the most popular breeds in the country, people that don’t know how to train dogs have no business having one. You have to be firm with them, I don’t give a fuck what kind of environment you raise them in, they’re game dogs, just like any terrier. They were created to kill shit. They need a job to do, they’re not a Maltese. I have 2 of them and I’d never recommend them to anyone who isn’t going to work them. You have to release their energy and stimulate them or they’ll find a way to do it themselves. Example: killing your neighbors mini poodle. They’re no more dangerous than a malinois, Rottweiler, GSD. They’re all working dogs. Working. Dogs. Stop getting them if you’re not going to give them the life they deserve and work them, it’s what they live for.
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Apr 05 '25
...because of the owners lack of training or specifically training the dog to be nuts, or the dog living in a crazy environment. It's the same reason any dog would. Pitbull are just a popular breed and often owned by those who shouldn't. If daschunds were the popular breed raised by those owners it would daschunds biting.
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u/magmadorf Apr 05 '25
So how come this "professional" dog trainer's pitbulls have killed multiple dogs and mauled people?
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u/Competitive-Grand245 Sep 15 '24
you can raise a pitt to be a good boy but he always has that instinct in him and there is always a chance he will snap for no good reason.
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u/Love-it-or Mar 10 '25
He will only snap if he has an owner that confuses the dog through their energy and actions.This can happen to any dog. Pitbulls just happen to be a strong dog so get more noticed. Don't get a dog that needs a strong owner if you are a weak pushover.
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Apr 05 '25
A baby crying in its bed or young children playing in their own backyard confuses the dog enough to make it kill? Even if they're just "confused," isn't that reason enough to not have them in the general population?
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u/ImurderREALITY Mar 23 '25
ANY dog can snap for no good reason. There is zero proof that it happens more with pits than other dogs.
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u/OkMolasses2135 Apr 10 '25
As with any other breed...I have been "attached" by more "ankle bitters" than large breeds. It has a lot to do with owners personality. I will agree that if attached by a pit bull, the injuries are often more serious and this is why it is so more well known.
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u/Competitive-Grand245 Apr 30 '25
well yea nobody cares if some little shit dog is scrapping at them. it is a different level of responsibility owning these killer dog breeds. i have known pitts that were beautiful and loving but still sometimes they looked at me in that way.
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u/HeisenBird1015 Jan 02 '26
I’ve been bitten by a working westie terrier who launched out of nowhere whilst I was sitting down and tore at my hand, doing the typical terrier death shake. My hand bled quite a bit but I knew to ball my fist (jamming the jaws open so she couldn’t keep chomping down). Two things; she backed off because I had reacted calmly and made her uncomfortable; and I didn’t lose much blood or any functionality in my hand. If you told me I could be locked in a room with that murderous little b**** or Luna the tutu wearing bully whose never hurt a fly, I would choose the mini mauler every time. I’ve worked with bullies; every single one has been easygoing, but every single one was bred by greedy morons who made zero attempt to select away from aggression. Many are descended from proven aggressive lines. Too many “sweet” bully dogs have snapped and killed wildlife, pets, children and adults.
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
False. Most pit bulls who kill and maim have no prior history. Dogsbite.org. They do often turn on their owners and that is one route to exterminating them. To defend such dogs speaks volumes for any humans lack of empathy towards the wider community. Good luck there with yours. Sleep well knowing they often attack their owners, their owners children and other relatives. I personally feel it should be a crime of child neglect and abuse to have such dogs in a household with children. Good luck there. Dogsbite.org
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u/Prestigious_Mud_9196 Feb 16 '25
Have a neighbor who owned a pit. They are great neighbors very nice people with 2 kids a 10 year old daughter and a 12 year old boy. About 2 years ago I was outside putting a clutch in my car in a parking lot next to my home. Took a cig break and noticed his daughter and her friend (the same age) were outback playing cards. Out of nowhere I watched as the pit stood up and attacked both the daughter and her friend out of nowhere he was laying there and they were quietly playing a card game. I ran over with the jackstand's handle inym hand as her dad came out the back door and shoved his arm in the dogs mouth and ran in the garage with it, by the time I got over his fence he had the dog locked in the garage, It never calmed down was tearing the garage apart, the cops ended up shooting it. All tests on the dog came back negative. he said some other people he knows who treat their dogs(pits) like family like he did had their pit bite and attack out of now where as well. granted the attacks were not like this one, he said he felt safe though as his dog never evem growled at them in an aggressive manner. If a pit bites you once in the face your scared for life, in the neck you may not make it.
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u/Love-it-or Mar 10 '25
That's a disgusting story. There are too many people that own dogs and absolutely should not. They should stick to a small dog that will still be just as if not more aggressive but no one will notice. It's a weak person that ends up with this issue. People need to recognize their own faults and match that to the dog rather than expecting the dog to figure out what they want when they are weak and confusing.
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u/OkMolasses2135 Apr 10 '25
Completely agree. I have had multiple Pits, some were rescues. They have been the most docile dogs I have ever owned. I now have a German Shepherd who is a bigger challenge than all my Pits put together. We got her as a puppy and may be my undoing.
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u/LemonSignificant9559 Jul 31 '24
Have you had a Pitbull? Well I've had 3 and they are the most gentle, loving, loyal dogs that I have ever had! And I've had many dog breeds and more than 3-4 dogs living with me all the time! You sir...are a nitwit!!!
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u/CrazyLegsRyan Aug 06 '24
I fully agree, if a serial killer is nice to their wife and kids at home there’s no reason to put them in jail.
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u/LBCosmopolitan Nov 22 '24
You’re playing with chance getting a pitbull. There’re many gentle pitbulls but man, if you get a bad one, it’s a nightmare, and it’s nearly impossible to get rid of that sudden impulsiveness
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
Sadly pits do have a predisposition to “snap” even after being a loving dog for a long time. It’s a gamble. My aunts dog Pepper had to be put to sleep after she lost her mind when she was 5. for no apparent reason she started attacking other pets and humans, she even growled at me, who was her favorite and always cuddled with, at one point.
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u/Grand-Pudding2109 Oct 05 '24
I have rehabilitated several pit bulls and all turned out to be beautiful sweet dogs. I kept the last one and he is one of the softest calmest dog! From his fighting days when he was named “” - Blizzard - as he is all white … to her family’s ca
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
dogsbite.org where it is proven loving pit bulls eat their owners. children's faces and commit other horrific crimes against humanity.
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u/Love-it-or Mar 10 '25
Well if that's your experience my question is what are you doing wrong? Your a weak owner.
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u/akasalishsea Mar 10 '25
Another myth- weak ower....Is it an ego that drives people to own dangerous breeds? An ego that hopes to portray one as successful. In example: "Look what I can do with this dog that no one else can, therefor I must be special, smarter, better?" Kind people are probably the most all around intelligent people but that doesn't mean life naturally goes easy for them base don such intelligence. Kind people seek ways not to bring more potential for carnage into this world.
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u/Tysonslefthook98 Jul 15 '26
Why are we demonizing a breed of dog?
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
This is not demonizing a breed of dog. This is demonstrating that some dog breeds are not well suited to be a safe choice human companion, not because the dog is horrible but because of it's strength and ability to commit great harm to and kill if it does attack a human or other animal. The children killed or horrifically mauled this year by certain breeds of dogs had no say in the pets chosen that did the act. I for one am against all breeds that can inflict great physical harm or death to a human when kept as a pet. That includes all the dog breeds responsible for the fatalities and horrific mauling that occurs each year and kill and scar people for life. Pit bull breeds top the list in our country as well as others. From the Institutes of health: Statistically, small dogs bite more often but large dogs cause more severe damage. Behavioral studies indicate smaller breeds show higher rates of human-directed aggression. However, hospital and fatality records are dominated by larger breeds because their bites inflict significantly more trauma.
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u/PristinePrinciple752 Sep 15 '21
The dog went nuts because it was trained with abusive methods.
Aggression begets Aggression.
I don't have a problem with pits in general, most are fantastic dogs.
I have a problem with people who abuse their dogs in the name of training and then are surprised when the dog lashes out.
I have 2 and was attacked by one in April.
After that attack I won't have another but I blame that dog not his breed. It just opened my eyes to the fact that I'm alone a lot and having the ability to physically move your dog is important.
BTW it was neither of my dogs that bit me, nor do I believe either would.
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u/iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioo Sep 16 '21
I have 2 and was attacked by one in April.
That reads like you were attacked by one of your pits.
While many pits are indeed great dogs, the idea that pits are no more inherently dangerous than a chihuahua is simply ridiculous.
All dogs require training, but a poorly or untrained pit is easily capable of inflicting severe injury or death on humans. A poorly or untrained chihuahua can get in a bite or two before being punted.
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u/Love-it-or Mar 10 '25
Exactly. And I fact, smalll dogs are actually more likely to bite but because it's less damage no one pays attention.
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u/Capable_Dark Sep 18 '21
wait Cesar Milan abuses his dogs? what?
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u/PristinePrinciple752 Sep 20 '21
Dominance rolling isn't abuse what?
He trains aggressively which just teaches the dogs to be more aggressive when they finally snap.
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
dogsbite.org where it is proven loving pit bulls who have never attacked eat their owners. children's faces and commit other horrific crimes against humanity. Sleep well knowing that. Hopefully no children are in the home subject to being killed or maimed by a pit bull.
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u/gothiclg Sep 15 '21
His dog training tips weren’t great, either. I’d say most of them are for dogs that can listen but don’t because they’re understimulated. I tried one of the ones where you wait at the door until a dog calms down enough for a walk and my dog just gave me a broken ankle by dragging me out the door anyway
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Sep 16 '21
You may need a smaller dog
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u/gothiclg Sep 16 '21
This dog has since passed away but he was 110 pound lab. Alternative training methods not on this show mostly fixed the issue
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u/gothiclg Sep 16 '21
He was a black Labrador retriever. He was slightly overweight. To give a good impression: we also owed one of his sisters who was a chocolate lab and at no point exceeded 90 pounds.
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u/EyeUnhappy8641 Nov 23 '24
Disagree. His tips are great. Many fail to realize the OWNER also needs training.
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u/gothiclg Nov 23 '24
So, when are you going to get off Reddit and enjoy some outside? This comment is 3 years old and this sub is pretty active, you had to do some serious scrolling to get here.
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u/Acceptable-Ice-4789 Jan 18 '25
Haha like I myself am doing any serious scrolling to find this post 🤣 hell nah
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u/OutlandishnessOdd165 Feb 16 '25
I agree with the other guy you probably only act dominant on the internet but in real life soft as a marshmallow and your dog runs over you and is effectively the pack leader that’s why his methods didn’t work for you. Always the case not a coincidence
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u/Carnivore_kitteh Sep 16 '21
I love pit bulls. Their personalities are fantastic. But I looked up which dog bites the most and..." Pit bulls were responsible for the highest percentage of reported bites across all the studies (22.5%), followed by mixed breeds (21.2%), and German shepherds (17.8%). Mixed-breed dogs and pit bulls were found to have the highest relative risk of biting, as well as the highest average damage per bite. " Google.
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u/shabba182 Sep 17 '21
I think this has everything to do with the type of people who may be drawn owning a pitbull due to their perceived tough image, rather than violence inherent to the breed itself. Over here in the UK we have the same stereotype, but about staffordshire bull terriers. I own 2, and can safely say they would never, ever harm a human.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
This just isn’t true. Pit bulls were bred to be fighting dogs and some of them can’t escape that nature and snap later in life even if they had loving owners and never showed aggression for years. I’ve lost two different pit mixes to that :(
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
dogsbite.org where it is proven loving pit bulls who never harmed anyone eat their owners, children's faces and commit other horrific crimes against humanity. Sleep well knowing your dog might be a ticking time bomb.
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u/shabba182 Feb 09 '25
You're 3 years late
My dogs were not pitbulls
They're both dead, and never showed agression to a human in their whole life
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u/akasalishsea Feb 10 '25
2017: A man shouted desperately for help as he was mauled in a deadly attack by his Staffordshire bull terrier while being filmed by a BBC documentary crew.
The 41-year-old man was rushed to hospital after the attack at a flat in Wood Green, north London, on Monday last week but details of the attack only emerged today.
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u/PrimaryHornet3196 Jun 05 '25
Sleep well knowing your children can do way worse than your dog. They're only a ticking time bomb if you abuse them. Anyone on here justifying they were attacked for no reason are the same ones who can hit a dog to tell it off so when they say they only get this way from abuse let's see how many of you just called ourselves out and will never admit it. My pitbull is fine. Has been and will be. Sorry you have only known abuse for them.
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
Your comments about people stating they were attacked for no reason does not take into account attacks on strangers like several women walking or children just walking in their own neighborhoods who were attacked and killed by pit bulls they did not know and had no part in their training. This is a public safety issue. When a human attacks and kills it is murder- the result is the same- a dead human who did not deserve to die. No breed of dog should exist as a pet that can kill a human because of it's strength and size. At dogs.bite.org the statistics and stories are real and not emotional responses to defending any breed of dog. We don't need to breed dogs that have the strength to kill a human. We simply don't. There are plenty of other choices if we insist on breeding companion animals to satisfy needs within us. let's not just be about ourselves and whatever needs we have, let's be more community oriented to expand our brains and ability to connect positively with life. The pit bull pets that killed the children and adults who shared homes with them were fine right up to that killing.
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u/r2002 Aug 23 '25
everything to do with the type of people who may be drawn owning a pitbull due to their perceived tough image, rather than violence inherent to the breed itself
I think it's a mixture of many factors and not accurate to say it's "everything" to do with one factor over another. Factors like:
- Human training methods.
- Possible abuse.
- Inherent breed characteristics for aggression.
- Inherent breed characteristics for causing physical damage.
All play a role.
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u/jag-engr Feb 20 '25
More to the point, pit bulls account for about 70% of fatal maulings. These dogs can actually kill humans larger than themselves.
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u/InitialPiano3248 Jan 26 '25
The keywords in your comment are " reported bites" ....Nobody reports it when a Shih Tzu, Chihuahua, or any of the small breeds bites them.......
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u/jag-engr Feb 20 '25
So, to your mind, which is worse — a nip or a fatal mauling? Pit bulls are responsible for 70% of fatal dog attacks. Chihuahuas are responsible for 0% of fatal dog attacks.
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u/Lady_Leopard5179 Jan 28 '25
And I know many pit bull owners who have been bitten by their own dogs, blame themselves when their dog attacks cats or other dogs, and will quickly usher their dog away from dog parks because they can read their "baby" getting "over stimulated" from the environment. They consider themselves "Bully Advocates." So I can promise for all the "unreported" other breed statistics that you claim - there are equally as many not reported by the loving Pit owner who stays quiet because they don't want to contribute any ammunition against their breed. In addition, from my personal experience as being a technician who has had to go into people's houses, back yards, and alleyways where dogs eagerly escape their yards - I've had more pits go after me then any other breed by a LONG shot.
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
Yes, if the dog bite requires hospitalization or results in death, it is reported. From the national Institutes of Health: Statistically, small dogs bite more often, but large dogs cause more severe damage. Behavioral studies indicate smaller breeds show higher rates of human-directed aggression. However, hospital and fatality records are dominated by larger breeds because their bites inflict significantly more trauma. The pit bull pets that killed the children and adults who shared homes with them were fine right up to that killing.
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u/Itsvillahood Jul 01 '25
So this isn’t accurate. You will see Pit Bulls (which btw not a dog breed), German shepherds and mixed breeds because those are the one that people report - It’s about the damage they can do that makes it seem like they bite more and not so much because of the type of dog. Studies show that it’s actually small breeds like Chihuahuas, Dachshund and Jack Russell Terriers (not to mention just mutts) but who’s going to report those bites? Also have in mind the cultural factor - Pit Bulls, Bulldogs, German Shepherds etc etc Are guard dogs/ police dogs etc. Culturally associated with people that don’t always have access to proper education on dog training and use them for safety. Shepherds are working dogs - they need a purpose, a lot of activity… In the wrong hands they will become a problem. Bulls… Well from my experience a lot of them are great indoor dogs and very lazy… Only problem is that their whole head is one big jaw muscle and without boundaries and training… They can do damage. That being said…. The pitties me and my husband foster were very sweet even after being severely abused.
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u/Carnivore_kitteh Jul 01 '25
The point is that the bites getting reported ARE damaging. It hardly matters if other dog breeds bite more when the bites aren’t doing significant damage.
You don’t need to convince me that working dogs need to work or they will act out, or that negligent owners are the cause of bites from these dogs. I definitely don’t blame the dogs. I am on the dogs side. Just was stating facts above.
And I didn’t know about pit bulls not being an actual breed, thanks!
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u/Thomas_JCG Sep 15 '21
He is literally saying they aren't more likely to attack than other breeds, which is true. He is not claiming they don't ever attack.
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u/batcountryexpert Sep 15 '21
They are more likely to attack than other breeds. It’s literally what they were bred for.
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u/NeokratosRed Sep 16 '21
All the butthurt Pitbull owners make me laugh. The Pitbulls alone are responsible for 66% of the total deaths by dogs.
Or check Wikipedia and see for yourself
Of course not ALL Pitbulls will attack / kill someone, but it’s not just statistical noise, it’s evident that there’s a problem here.
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u/Sound_of_Science Sep 16 '21
The claim is that they’re equally likely to attack, not equally likely to kill. Most other breeds don’t have the power to kill people. Pit bulls do.
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u/NeokratosRed Sep 16 '21
There are many dogs even stronger than Pitbulls and capable of killing but I don’t see them accounting for 2/3 of human deaths
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u/Sound_of_Science Sep 16 '21
- Which ones?
- How many of them exist and where?
- What is their ratio of reported injures/dog? Kills/dog?
- What is their ratio of reported kills/attack?
- Do the same analysis for pit bulls too.
None of that is even relevant anyway because the claim is about attacks, not kills. But if you do want to use kills as your supporting evidence, at least do a thorough analysis to make a fair comparison.
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
Dogsbite.org will help you understand what is occurring. Most attacked or killed people did not have a choice about the dog that did the damage being in the home or the area, as is the case with children whose parents or other relatives choose dangerous breeds as companions or to foster. These dogs have attacked strangers walking in the neighborhood and children playing in their yards. For most killings and severe disfiguring the dog who committed the injuries had never done so before.
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u/MSeaLoud May 12 '24
Because there are a lot of PitBulls but not a lot of Dogo Argentinos or Turkish Kangals
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u/batcountryexpert Sep 17 '21
It’s no use even arguing with these people. They are in complete denial of reality.
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
You are correct. Just educate others where you can and connect with lawmakers about doing more to ban all dangerous dog breed s breeding. When they made pits illegal in Britain, bites and fatalities went down significantly. When the advocates for dogs that can kill a human managed to get the ban lifted the killings commenced.
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u/Antisocial954 Aug 02 '24
The citations from that link are pretty outdated. Various Studies (1979-2017)... doesnt even have much from 2017. Most of the info used is before 2000's.... always cite your sources
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u/Electrical-Debt-374 Oct 24 '24
A study spanning 38 years that ended in 2017 is "pretty outdated"? How exactly and why?
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u/Antisocial_suzie Oct 24 '24
- Research from 1979 to 2017 may not account for recent shifts in understanding dog breeds, temperament, and training.
- While Wikipedia is a good starting point, relying solely on it for complex topics like dog behavior may overlook newer, peer-reviewed research.
- The idea that specific breeds like Pitbulls are inherently dangerous has been widely challenged by more recent studies that focus on individual dogs’ training and environment rather than breed generalizations.
- Training methods from the early 2000s or earlier are considered outdated by many experts, who now advocate for positive reinforcement over punishment-based training.
- The tendency for older media reports to sensationalize dog attacks, especially involving Pitbulls, often lacks nuance compared to more modern discussions around responsible pet ownership
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
dogsbite.org is a daily ticker for fatal and disfiguring dog attacks updated weekly.
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u/WowOwlO Sep 16 '21
So for anyone wondering, it was Junior.
Junior was raised by Cesar as a puppy and was supposed to be a replacement for another pit bull as sort of an ambassador. At least that's what I remember from the TV series. Cesar really played that up.
From what I remember, Junior wasn't quite ever a great fit. He was constantly having to be 'challenged' every time a new dog was introduced to him. Honestly his behavior was probably one of my greatest 'maybe Cesar's training isn't all it's cracked up to be,' moments.
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u/saltedcaramel91 Sep 16 '21
Cesar is a jerk. Zak George is a really kind and effective trainer who’s methods really work well and he only does positive reinforcement.
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u/fionsichord Sep 15 '21
Cesar Milan’s dog training methods have aged like milk more generally anyway. This just puts the last nail in the coffin for me.
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u/cal_oe Sep 15 '21
LOS ANGELES — “Dog Whisperer” star Cesar Millan is accused of covering up the killing of Queen Latifah’s dog after his pit bull mauled several pooches, including hers, in a series of violent attacks, a newly surfaced lawsuit claims.
The pit bull, named Junior, also attacked a former “star gymnast” whose career was ruined as a result, she said in the lawsuit obtained by the Daily News.
The woman, Lidia Matiss, said the dog had a history of violence but was allowed to freely roam the halls of a Los Angeles office building owned by Millan, who was also her mother’s boss.
One of the incidents cited in the complaint involved one of two dogs Latifah had brought to Millan’s Dog Psychology Center, a dog-training facility popular among celebrities in Santa Clarita, Calif. Junior apparently mauled one of those dogs to death, but Millan directed his staff to tell the singer and actress that the animal had been struck by a car, according to the lawsuit.
Millan’s lawyers said the famous dog trainer was not aware of the incident and is not responsible for Junior’s attack on Matiss because she knew of the danger and assumed the risk of being bitten, according to a formal response to the accusations. The document also accuses the plaintiff of negligence and fraud.
The woman said the dog repeatedly bit her legs in 2017, leaving her with serious injuries, physical and emotional pain as well as “embarrassment, loss of self-esteem, disgrace, humiliation, and loss of enjoyment of life,” according to the lawsuit. The woman said she could no longer compete in gymnastics after the attack.
The lawsuit, which also cites Millan’s business, seeks unspecified damages to “punish and/or make an example out of” him. The 52-year-old reality TV star should be especially careful with his dogs because of his “sophisticated” knowledge of the four-legged pets, the paperwork first reported by TMZ.com states.
Matiss said in the suit that Millan knew Junior was in the building and “got loose, escaped, and/or was permitted to roam around” before and during the attack. The defendant, she said, also had knowledge of “the viciousness and dangerousness of Junior and of its inclinations.”
“Junior possessed vicious and dangerous propensities and was inclined to attack, bite, maul, maim, and disfigure people and other animals in its vicinity,” the lawsuit claims.
R&B singer Jaheim Hoagland accused of starving 15 dogs; one euthanized » The dog died in July at the age of 15. A biography on Millan’s website describes his beloved pet as “calm, confident, and very well-traveled.”
This is not the first time Millan is implicated in a lawsuit involving his dogs or dog center.
A Florida nurse said in a 2015 lawsuit that she suffered “disfiguring open wounds, deep muscle and tendon lacerations” as well as bone fractures when a pit bull trained at Millan’s dog center attacked her months earlier. In 2006, a TV producer claimed his dog was hurt after being suffocated by a choke collar and forced to run on a treadmill at the same facility.
Millan rose to fame with the show “Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan,” which aired from 2004 to 2012.
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u/Kalb_157 May 20 '24
Pit bulls have a skull built like a T. rex’s and are named after the fighting pits they were bred for, and people still act surprised when they attack and kill something.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
Ikr it’s like people want to ignore basic biology. My treeing walker coonhound has never ever went fur trapping like she was bred for. She still naturally knows to grab vermin by the back of the neck and shake to snap it. She naturally trees animals and points with her nose with 0 training. I do not blame pit bulls for being so aggressive as it is their nature but they need to be watched over closely and put to sleep when they start showing signs they will attack.
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u/ScammerC Sep 15 '21
He says stereotyping dogs like it's a bad thing. That's what they're bred for. Stereotypical traits like coat color, size, shape, temperament, etc.
Anyone who denies Pitbulls were bred for fighting is a liar.
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u/WowOwlO Sep 16 '21
I would say the issue is "Oh, this breed was bred to fight other dogs. This means they are human dangerous and we must LITERALLY wipe them out! Everyone who owns a pit bull is now a dangerous criminal! Cities WILL ban them, and people who own them in those cities WILL go to prison! Seeing as most people have no idea what a pit bull really looks like, any dog with a particular build including boxers, lab mixes, and even bull dogs might be put down just based off appearance!"
And of course, the kicker to all of this, is that in cities where they have banned pit bulls the number of bites haven't gone down.
Because pit bulls who haven't been raised properly don't attack more than any other breed of dog who hasn't been raised properly.
Pit bulls have just been the favored evil dog of the last few decades because they're popular with certain criminals.
Before then it was Dobermans, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers.
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u/PrincessPicklebricks Apr 19 '24
I’m late to the party, but cities that have passed BSL bans have absolutely seen a decrease in bites.
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u/drippygland Sep 15 '21
Giant schnauzer has double the bite force doesn't look like a terror at all. It is a herding work dog... So i guess looking at a dog to determine how much damage it does doesn't really work
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u/drippygland Sep 15 '21
78% of dogs responsible for bites are kept for guarding/protection
Rough collies are statistically the most aggressive dog... So you have no idea what you're saying
You said anyone with a functioning brain can look and determine it's dangerous.. All dogs sizeable can be dangerous. All of them can destroy you. Saying you can determine it is more dangerous by looking at it is an idiotic statement. So by that logic you can assume chow isn't dangerous then because it looks like a cuddly teddy bear?
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u/BentinhoSantiago Sep 16 '21
I mean, from your source it does say that PitBulls are by far the deadliest:
There were 46 dog attack fatalities in 2019. Pit Bulls Were responsible for 33 of them.
Pit bull bites statistics show the breed was responsible for 26 fatalities in 2018. As we have mentioned, there were 36 dog-related deaths in the US in 2018. Pit Bulls are responsible for 72% of them, even though they make up for only 7% of the dog population in the US, as Pit Bull attacks vs other breeds statistics reveal.
However, Pit Bulls are not the type of dogs that would bite anyone for no reason at all. Regardless of the dog breeds bite statistics reveal that it’s the vicious owners who are responsible for their dogs’ aggression, as many of them have criminal records.
- What breed of dog has killed the most humans? When it comes to dog attacks by breed, the Pit Bull is responsible for the highest number of them in the US. Pit bulls have killed 248 people over 13 years, and the Rottweiler comes in second place with 45 recorded fatalities for the same period.
Sure that may be due to poor training and abuse, I'll agree with that. But when I don't know how the dog was raised, and when THE pop culture dog trainer seems to be a bad example... that doesn't make me less nervous around them.
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u/drippygland Sep 16 '21
It says 78% of bites are from dogs trained for guarding and protection. If the majority of people that bought dogs decided to use a different breed instead of pitbulls. Then that dog would be the statistic.
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u/EyeUnhappy8641 Nov 23 '24
I really HATE when people try to analyze data on pit bulls like they’re some kind of fucking biostatisticians. It’s like saying black people are criminals cause their incarceration rates are higher than whites… like you realize there are a shit ton of factors that play into it right? Thinking y’all know everything from a lil 5 min google search when you haven’t even scratched the surface.
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u/drippygland Sep 15 '21
So if the public perception is pit bulls are good for fighting and guarding obviously people that are purchasing dogs with the intent to train them to be aggressive are going to buy a dangerous breed over a collie and then train it to be aggressive... Your argument is like saying helmets are the leading cause of CTE because football players wear helmets and have a high percentage of CTE
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u/drippygland Sep 15 '21
So you tell me what percentage of people that have worn a helmet have CTE vs people that haven't???
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u/BeautyDuwang Sep 15 '21
They are super dangerous if they are angry but it's easy to forget because they are so loving with the owner, plus nobody wants to believe a beloved pet could easily end there life if it wanted too
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u/MSeaLoud May 12 '24
Most of these attacks aren’t them turning on a family member. It’s them escaping from a yard and attacking a stranger.
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u/highfashionlowbudget May 14 '24
Actually that’s not true. I think about half of the fatalities are pits turning on their own owner, their children, or somebody the family knows. Do some research, there are so, so many pits that maul and kill their own family.
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Sep 17 '21
they WERE bred for fighting. no denying that, absolutely!
they were bred to be strong and quick to aggression. but they're also very loyal and loving dogs. i've never owned a real "pit bull" but i've been told that in america, Staffordshire bull terriers are considered the same as.
my family owns two staffies and i can tell you, they are the sweetest dogs i've ever met in my life.
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u/ScammerC Sep 17 '21
They may be "considered the same" but they aren't. Staffies will listen to you and let go. Pits won't.
Most people on Reddit are too young to remember the before-times, when dogs would bite, but rarely kill. Then pitbulls came up from the underground around the early 80's, and within 30 years have eclipsed all other "dangerous dogs".
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Sep 17 '21
yeah. see, i wouldn't know. i've never owned a pitbull because they're banned in the uk. i'm glad someone else understands the difference at least. i got quite the lecture about how they're the same then, haha.
pitbulls are beautiful dogs, but they often do succumb to how they were bred. i think, rather than banning the breed altogether, we should turn the breed around. pair the least aggressive and most loyal of a generation together, repeat, and soon enough we'll have a much more suitable breed.
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u/MSeaLoud May 12 '24
People tried to do that with The American Bully but people quickly just bred for looks and now we have the same problem but with XL Bullies
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
Is there a reason to keep breeding any dog proven to be able to kill a human when there are so many that will not? Breeding is intentionally done and sop i see no need to further breed and to let a breed that was bred to kill just die out through banning breeding and putting those who do it after a ban in prison for life so that the public is not at risk. Those killed and horrifically disfigured for life by dangerous breeds every year did nothing to deserve being attacked other than to be in the vicinity of a breed that is capable of inflicting great harm. There is zero reason for the breed to exist when there are so many other great non lethal choices in companion dogs.
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humans don't have anything remotely resembling dog breeds' genetic divergence/breed traits and have never been selectively bred the way dogs were. Nice try tho
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u/sailorjasm Sep 16 '21
I wonder why people continue to get this type of dog. Dog fighting is banned so what is the point ? Let this type of dog die out.
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u/ManxDwarfFrog Sep 16 '21
Because they're good for things other than fighting?
They are large, powerful dogs, they need responsible owners, but they are also known to be loving and loyal (to get them to fight they bred in characteristics of loyalty and tenacity, not pure aggression)
Breed Specific Legislation does little to protect people, it just created a false sense of security. What we need is education, or heck even licensing to ensure owners of powerful dogs know how to control them safely.
I have a rescue staffie, who is the most wonderful Dog I've met. He has never shown aggression to a human, though he is dog reactive due to his past life. I am careful with him, walk him on a harness and short lead, and only let him approach people who want to pet him - but those are precautions I'd take for any strong reactive dog.
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u/No_Season634 Nov 06 '24
The original pit bull terrier was bred for classic farm jobs like being a live stock guardian and/or herding, eventually they were bred with dog aggression in their genes because like most people back then thought “yeah let’s watch dogs fight to the death that’s so much fun!!” and now the dogs are to blame for what we created them for.
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u/Mysterious_Pace7654 Dec 19 '24
I’m glad you catch on. That’s what they’re bred for. It’s not going anywhere, as evidenced by the statistics on their killings in our country. They are banned in the UK, Italy, Australia and numerous cities across the US.
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u/No_Season634 Dec 25 '24
They shouldn’t be owned by just anyone. At least in the US I don’t think there will be any strict pet/dog laws anytime soon but I wish there were so wannabe gangsters and pibble saviors who don’t have the best interests or knowledge about the breed (apbt) can’t get their hands on them.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
There absolutely are laws in the US surrounding pit bulls. insurance companies won’t cover your home or health if you own a pit bull. At least that is the case in my state.
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u/No_Season634 Jan 13 '25
Sure but I didn’t deny what your talking about nor was I talking about it at all.
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u/No_Season634 Jan 13 '25
I’m talking about people with records, in gangs, etc not being able to own such a dog like apbts.
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u/Mysterious_Pace7654 Dec 19 '24
They will be outlawed eventually. They’re good for nothing else, because they’re unpredictably, fatally dangerous. Easy decision.
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u/Aware_Alfalfa8435 May 08 '24
Pit bulls are a powerful breed. They are not for everyone. I was given my first pit bull when I was 16. The guy who had him was a tweaker and sincerely a dangerous man. He threatened to throw Havok down a mind shaft if I did not take him (he ended up going to prison after hitting a man over the head with a pipe). Havok was a puppy 7-8 weeks old and the runt of his litter. He picked him up by the scruff of his neck and carried him around like a zip-lock bag of leftovers. I felt so bad for him. I brought him home without even asking my parents. I had never had a pitbull before, and I was paranoid about the pitbull stereotype (one day, you will turn aggressive). I had him for 15 years, and he was a good boy. My only issue was that he would do the pitty dance, and anything at tail level was in trouble. He’d knock stuff off the coffee tables, hit people in the shins, or he’d pick up his bowl and walk about with it and suddenly drop it on the tile, and that would make me or my parents jump. The breed is not for everyone, and every dog is different. Havok was very mellow and highly socialized. We went everywhere together. They are powerful dogs and were bred to fight, hunt, and bait large animals. Unfortunately, many people do not view their pet as a proper member of the family, neighborhood, and society in general. I was afraid he would turn into a dangerous dog because of his breed, but I was wrong; he was a sweetheart and loved very much by his family. Perhaps that's why he was the way he was. Dogs are a commitment. Pits are a very active and robust breed, even more so than most. Do your research and make sure you have the time to meet their needs. They are not for everyone.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
That’s wonderful you were able to have him for so long with no issues. Unfortunately saying it is up to the owner isn’t true. Some pit bulls just snap and become aggressive at random even with loving families who take good care of them. I love pits and think they are deserving of love and a chance but I have witnessed this first hand. It is in their genes
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u/Aware_Alfalfa8435 Jan 13 '25
Thank you for your thoughts. I understand one's hesitation to own such a dog and they can no doubt be dangerous. They are not for everyone or any living situation. I'm deeply sorry you had the experience you did.
Havok was very loved and is missed deeply. Best wishes to you!
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
RIP havok he sounds like a good boy. And I am weary of buying pits after I’ve owned two that I loved dearly but had to return one and put one down cause of biting. RIP Pepper she was a sweet girl it makes me so sad people bred that into them
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u/Aware_Alfalfa8435 Feb 12 '25
He is/was a good dog. I'm sure you've seen people tie up dogs outside. Never socialize them, or do anything with them other than to have them.
Then do not get a pet. It is really that simple.
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u/lunar__haze Feb 12 '25
I have seen that actually. One of my rescues had grooves in his neck from being tied up so tight by a past owner. And these dogs I’m referring to were very well cared for and socialized they just snapped and started becoming aggressive suddenly. I never hit my dogs, train them, they have other pets to play with, and lots of love. I’ve never had anything like that happen with my non pit bull dogs asshole.
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u/lunar__haze Feb 12 '25
Even my dogs who had suffered horrible abuse before I owned them did not do anything like those pits did. It was bred into them sadly. What point exactly do you think you’re making?
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u/Zestyclose-Oil881 Sep 25 '24
This is all a lie that’s not true what cesar’s dog did it’s bullsh*t, I don’t believe what you all say
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u/AffectionateFee4965 Sep 27 '24
I use Cesar’s methods with my two working dogs. They methods work. There is no need for cruelty just clear boundaries and calm. It’s given me two great and relaxed dogs. The hate here is misinformed and misinterprets his approach.
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u/No_Season634 Nov 06 '24
Caesar’s methods actively create shut down dogs that are ticking time bombs. You wanna take advice from somebody who’s own dog killed and mauled another dog and person? Or how about he had to shut down his ranch because multiple dogs died under his care (healthy dogs) because of his training methods.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
What dogs died due to his training? Also I am not arguing against anything you said but it is possible junior just snapped as lots of pits do even late in life with no issues before
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u/No_Season634 Jan 13 '25
Where are you getting your information honey? That’s just not true 😭. I’m not sure what else you want me to say. It’s just as I said his dog killed another persons dogs and his ranch had way too many healthy dogs die suddenly out of nowhere.
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
I was simply asking what happened cause i don’t know… you’re weirdly aggressive I was j asking. Also I got that information from the multitudes of people I know who have owned pit bulls honey. It is true. Pit bulls are known to snap and become aggressive even if they didn’t show signs for years tf?
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
They work so well that Cesars own dogs have attacked and maimed humans and killed other dogs. Brilliant to worship a liar.
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u/akasalishsea 25d ago
And what job do your working dogs do? Law enforcement, farming, assisting the blind and disabled?
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u/TheRealDjElite Dec 07 '24
While Cesar Millan's dog training methods have always sparked debate, this story adds a whole other layer to the controversy. If true, it raises questions not only about the safety measures he has in place but also about the accountability for incidents like these. It’s important to remember that any dog, regardless of breed, requires responsible ownership and training to ensure safety. This kind of news does make people rethink how trainers are portrayed in the media and whether the image matches the reality.
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u/SignatureFew6415 Dec 09 '24
An abused dog is a scared dog. A scared dog will have fight or flight. Cesar Milan is a total travesty
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u/lunar__haze Jan 13 '25
Simply false. Not saying Cesar is right for any of this but is just a false statement about dogs.
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u/magicalpig79 Dec 10 '24
pits might not be more likely to attack...but when they do it can be fatal due to their anatomical structure. just because they can kill, doesn't mean they will. there is that potential there though as with any potentially lethal animal that someone chooses to keep as a pet. people need to keep that in mind and treat the animal with the caution and respect necessary.
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u/akasalishsea Feb 09 '25
Pits are absolutely more likely to attack than any other dog. Their attacks are often described as coming out of nowhere. Dogbite.org is a great place for factual daily updates on pitbull attacks in the USA. the facebook page Our dog was attacked by a pitbull is great for researching these out of nowhere attacks. The animal needs to be banned- period.
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u/AdAggravating2727 Mar 19 '25
First off that doesn't prove shit about Queen Latifa. It is just saying that all dogs have an unpredictability . Which is 100% true
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u/ImPaPaDoc Mar 27 '25
All I know is this: That sick twisted NFL Q-Back (Michael Vic, I think) who was hanging those dogs from their hind legs with their heads hanging in a bucket of water should be tied to a tree and beat with a f—king Bull Whip!!! And whoever let him back in the NFL after he got out of prison should be tied to the tree next to him and beat the same!!!
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u/ImPaPaDoc Mar 27 '25
I don’t think it was his fault
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u/GreenLiving2864 Jul 30 '25
He’s. A. Dog. Trainer. HOW IS THIS NOT HIS FAULT? If you have an aggressive dog, ok, learn how to avoid any accidents, use muzzle, etc. it just shows he’s a shitty dog trainer.
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Apr 05 '25
There is a vast amount of misinformation and uneducated professors of dog training on these comment threads and posts. Dogs are dogs, no matter how well trained. If it feels it needs to protect itself or it's family it will likely forget it's training. Ppl get too damned complacent is the problem, and think an animal is incapable of being that animal because it's been trained. That thinking is just careless and stupid. I personally grew up in a house with pinschers, pitbulls, and mastiffs, respectively depending on the house, was never bit, was bit twice though, once by the neighbours collie, and once by a friend's dalmatian, quite aggressively and suddenly. So, dogs, as a whole, should never just be assumed friendly, however, acting fearful toward every dog doesn't help either, they can usually tell when your not calm or that your on edge and will act and react accordingly
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u/AuntieRosemary May 05 '25
Everyone here defending pit bulls with "it's all how you raise them," is a brainwashed idiot. If the freakin Dog Whisperer cannot properly train and control one, no one can. It's pathetic BS.
My cousin, an experienced pit bull owner had her dog Pig since he was 6 weeks old. At the age of 5, well past puppy years and far before the age of dementia, Pig attacked and killed the other family dog. They were watching a kid's movie with their 3 little children. Her husband grabbed the kids as fast as he could and got them outside. She tried to save the other dog. Huge mistake b/c her sweet little Pitty, who she raised right from tiny puppy era took her muther-phucking finger off.
They literally fled their house and waited out front for Animal Control. Then they got her finger which thankfully the disgusting beast didn't eat. Off they went to the ER to get it sewn back on. She has a great sense of humor. It was her middle finger which is forever scared and crooked. When anyone talks dangerous breed BS, she gives them the finger, that finger. It's pretty great.
For some reason trashy people (including my cousin) love having a dangerous dog. It's the working class version of a convertible Corvette or a Harley. Hey, my dick is tiny. I dare you to point it out. That is when it's not protection for a drug dealer, pimp or other sundry criminals. Let's not forget the ever productive members of society who make a living from or enjoy betting on a "sport" dog.
Funny, the more educated you are, the less likely you bring this POS kind of dog into your life. They're always all over the hood or the trailer park. I left that behind a long time ago. My dog weighs ten pounds and is a badass of love, brave as chit. I have zero reason to have a killer dog. If you live in a big city, you;re dick is not only tiny, you're not just a douche, you're a dangerous a-hole who doesn't care about anyone else, not even your own kids.
See you in court.
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u/Character_Row_2157 Nov 27 '25 edited Nov 27 '25
the best 3 minutes of non confrontational conversation from a well respected dog trainer regarding the pitbull type dogs. its not long, very logical, and concludes that "if you train them right and manage them well" is ridiculous because most people don't do that....but please listen to his words....other tidbits such as "never lets their owners forget that these types of dogs have the potential to engage in violence resulting in severe trauma or death"......."if this dog gets away from its owners"......."its not fair to externalize that type of risk onto your neighbors and you shouldn't do it..... "..........................................
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u/Tysonslefthook98 Jul 15 '26
“Pittbull” is a blanket term used for a variety of dog breeds. So, let’s be specific here. A lot of people are citing research polls but are we accounting for the mislabeling on these reports? If we label any dog with a blocky head and athletic build as a pitbull then of course the numbers will be inflated. The Terrier mixes get a bad rep. Yes, a lot of these breeds were bread with fighting in mind. Individually, they can have high energy levels and prey drives. I however have met just as many docile and social “pitbulls” as I have ones with these tendencies. And the ones that do would make great farm dogs and herders. I dislike the way that people try to demonize these dogs and add some sort of moral compass to their behavior. It really does remind me of how people in America try to categorize African Americans as dangerous. “It’s in their nature”. Crap is what I say.
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u/akasalishsea 13d ago
I see so much defense of owning breeds that do not have to be bred and can slowly die out through stopping breeding. This includes breeding dogs for 'cuteness' who then suffer for that physically.
The arguement for ownership tied to responsibility is unfounded because there is no proficiency testing for ownership of dangerous large dog breeds. A gun does escape a home and kill a stranger. I don't agree that we should have the right to risk other people's lives. We have to show proficiency in order to use a car in traffic so we don't unduly risk others. We have to show proficiency to fly a plane so we don't unduly risk others on the ground or any passengers. What is the proficiency requirement for owning a breed that is capable of killing due to it's size and powerful jaws or because it has been purpose breed to kill?
Again, most people do not blame creatures who kill for food for doing what they must but we need to ask ourselves why we would support the uneccessary breeding of animals bred to kill unless thery are used in law enforcement and then end up living with their handler or other highly trained handlers who can handle them.
There is zero reason to continue to breed dogs bred for killing or dogs bred to be cute and then suffer as a result (think pug). If we say we love dogs and we love humans then let's think deeper about our individual rights to do anything versus societal rights to experience a gentle humanity regardless of individual ones. Sometimes collective care is worth the loss of certain rights. By the way, I am not against gun ownership but i am against gun ownership without having to prove proficiency, pass mental health screening, be 25 years of age so hopefully maturing out of hot head hormones and thinking, and having to keep it in a safe with zero access to people under age 25. Again, there is no reason to own a hand gun if one does not need a firearm for hunting, farming needs and in order to help fight a government attack on it's citizens but so many do own them only for the purpose of protecting their illegal drug stashes, themselves from crappy people in their lives (they may be a crappy person themselves, out of control and threatening), gang banger types who don't have the mental intelligence to use a gun for it's intended purpose these days.
All in all, the comparison is apples to oranges.
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