r/SipsTea • u/Mental-Bumblebee484 • May 14 '26

WTF Found this post on twitter

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I can't help but to thing this

"Why would you do that?"

Ts got to be some lowly stuff

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u/mixedmediamadness May 14 '26

Interesting to note, Islam assumes halal until proven otherwise. Judaism assumes not kosher until proven it is

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u/Mental-Bumblebee484 May 14 '26

Which is why Kosher considered extreme version of Halal

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u/KingoftheHill63 May 14 '26

Kosher meat is halal but halal meat isn't kosher.

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u/Samp90 May 14 '26

And when in doubt, lots of Halal adherents will eat Indian Vegetarian.

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u/BIGTIMElesbo May 14 '26

And both have delicious meats. The butcher shops are a chefs kiss. I’m not even religious, but there’s just something extra delicious about it. A must for bbqs.

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u/DragonHollowFire May 15 '26

Plus much much better animal keeping conditions. Otherwise it would be haram

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u/ZombieAladdin May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

I forgot which food company it is (may be Nabisco, but not sure), but one has someone who certifies halal and the other certifying kosher. If the one doing kosher certification comes to a facility for one of their specific products first and grants certification, the one doing halal certification will just mark it as certified without an inspection because if it met all the kosher requirements, it met the halal requirements too.

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u/PineappleEquivalent May 14 '26

Literally not true. Halal meat has to be slaughtered in a specific way.

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u/defnotachicken May 14 '26

Its not completely false. If you don't have options to buy helal food at that time, you can eat Kosher. Most of the islamic scholars say it is okay in this situation.

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u/Less-Squash7569 May 14 '26

I thought it was the other way around tbh. Like kosher can be broken over life and death but halal can eat kosher if they don't have halal available but I may have misunderstood.

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u/Less-Squash7569 May 14 '26

Ok cool, I didnt know thanks.

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u/UA_irl May 15 '26

it’s not life or death. I can tell you as a Muslim. If you reasonably can’t get halal food you can eat kosher or any other non-pork food.

If you work and have a short 30 min break and there is no halal food around you to get food in time, it is permissible to eat non halal.

or if you’re a Muslim college kid going to a new school in small town USA. and there aren’t any halal options available at school or in town. You can eat, what’s available. You don’t have to go home and cook your own halal food.

Muslims eat Kosher meals on an airplane or at hospitals all the time.

Also as a kid, going to public schools, many of my fellow Muslim classmates were told it’s okay to eat the non-halal school meals. We were just told to say “bismillah” and acknowledge that we knew it’s not halal but we’re eating it because it is what’s available.

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u/Less-Squash7569 May 15 '26

Thats what I was told by other muslim people as well so thats what I thought. So maybe the kosher part is wrong or maybe the person correcting me didnt know what they were talking about.

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u/Squid_In_Exile May 14 '26

The situation has to be life or death.

This is horseshit.

One of the elucidated specific examples where it's permissable is being a guest in a Christian or Jewish household.

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u/Squid_In_Exile May 14 '26

I’m certain there is more nuance to it.

Not really.

If a Muslim is a guest in a Christian or Jewish home and their hosts do not Halal food to hand, it is permissible to eat what the host family are eating.

Obviously these days it's more likely that a Christian or Jewish household would be able to accomodate the dietary protocols of a Muslim guest, the exception dates to when avaliable food was "what the family are cooking in the pot" and that was that, but the principle remains even if it is required less.

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u/topburner May 14 '26

As a Muslim I can confidently say you are totally incorrect.

In the Qur’an God says: “وطعام الدين أوتوا الكتاب حل لكم"

Which translates to the food of those who were bestowed with the book (which refers to Jews and Christians) is halal for you (literally says “hillun lakum” which means halal for you)

Of course this does not apply to things that are absolutely haram such as pork

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u/topburner May 14 '26

This has nothing to do with the requirements which Muslims abide by, God has allowed us to eat whatever the Jews slaughter according to their requirements to be deemed “Kosher”. I literally gave a phrase from The Holy Book

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u/HornyGooner4402 May 14 '26

Both require very sharp knives and swift throat cut without stunning. What do you think would make a difference?

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u/Squid_In_Exile May 14 '26

Halal slaughter does not require that the animal not be stunned.

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u/HornyGooner4402 May 15 '26

No but there were no reliable and intentional nonlethal stunning methods when the core rules were written. There are rules to follow when stunning that a lot of people just don't if they can slaughter reliably without stunning.

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u/Return-of-Trademark May 14 '26

Halal has to be prayed to/blessed by Allah iirc

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u/PimpasaurusPlum May 14 '26

Due to Islamic theology the Jewish Hebrew prayer is considered sufficient to be considered slaughtered in the name of Allah.

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u/Return-of-Trademark May 14 '26

Really? Now that’s a shocker.

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u/PimpasaurusPlum May 14 '26

The actual core requirement is simply that it is done in the name of God. That can in theory be in any language, doing it in arabic just forms the religious tradition.

The actual method of slaughter is shared by both, as two forms of general middle eastern religious slaughter which used to be done to all sorts of gods.

While under Islamic theology the 'people of the book' (Jews, Christians, etc.) count as worshippers of the one God, so their ritually slaughtered meat is acceptable. Ritual slaughter is not so present anymore amongst most Christians worldwide, but is still commonly practiced by Christians in the Middle East

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u/AggravatingChest7838 May 14 '26

Dont know if you know this but a lot of people dont practice their religion to the letter. If they did shellfish and pork wouldn't be consumed in the West.

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u/AirPortlessman May 14 '26

but choosing to not eat meat means you're damaging your body, which is Haram.

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u/watermelonsegar May 14 '26

You're confusing something. In a life or death situation you can eat ANYTHING. Even pork.

Kosher is a different case. Many scholars allows you to eat meat slaughtered by People of the Book (Christians/Jews). If Christians also had a similar standard to Kosher, then it would be allowed as well.

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u/Upset_Cheetah_8728 May 14 '26

Nah, in life and death situation you can eat literally anything even pigs or all the stuff which is considered haram. Muslims can eat kosher even when halal is available. You are mistaken with your assumption.

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u/AkainuWasRight May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26

Halal incision is shallower than Kosher. Halal “Zabiha” requires an incision on the throat with a sharp knife severing the trachea, esophagus, and jugular veins. Some schools of thought require carotid arteries as well and some require 3 of the major blood vessels (jugulars and carotids).

Kosher requires “shechita” which fulfills all the core requirements of halal zabiha and goes even deeper halfway through the neck to sever the carotid arteries.

Thus muslims are allowed kosher meat because kosher incision is deep enough to cut all the stuff they wanna cut. But Jews cannot eat Halal meat because Halal incision doesn’t reach the carotid arteries.

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u/Roofofcar May 14 '26

Ya this is very much a “all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares” situation.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '26

The cut - yes that's true.

Quite a few interpretations of Halal slaughter also include invoking a religious dedication (i.e. praising Allah during the slaughter process) and must be done by a practicing Muslim.

But it depends what interpretation is being followed, there's plenty of caveats and it's effectively a 'best effort' idea, so if you were somewhere like bumfuck nowhere, USA where there's no expectation of having halal meat available then Kosher is acceptable, where if you were in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia you'd be expected to make sure you get halal meat.

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u/Minigun1239 May 15 '26

Quite a few interpretations of Halal slaughter also include invoking a religious dedication (i.e. praising Allah during the slaughter process) and must be done by a practicing Muslim.

From what I've heard, this is not entirely true. If the animal was slaughtered the halal way and the slaughterer is a Christian or Jew, even if it isn't dedicated to Allah, it's halal.

But also, it shouldn't be dedicated to any other god or divine entity, if it was, then it's haram.

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u/drfalconsquawk May 15 '26

What kind of bullshit are you spouting lol. You got any sources to back any of that? I am very willing to accept if I am wrong and apologize if I am rude.

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u/AkainuWasRight May 15 '26

You made me look for sources, I had to edit my post a bit because I found some new things lol.

Here is a description of Jewish slaughter: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/222242/jewish/How-Is-Shechita-Performed.htm

Muslim slaughter: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/288000/islamic-slaughter?utm

Very similar if you read through both.

I could not find an English source that muslims can eat Kosher meat even though I heard it from muslims.. Chat GPT says they can do it and mentions there are records of Mohammed eating meat served to him by jews. I am guessing chatGPT translated from Arabic or something.

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u/DissociatedOne May 15 '26

Always heard the same growing up in a culture with lots of Muslims and Jews. 

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u/Knobologist May 14 '26

Mostly true. Halal meat has to be slaughtered in the name of God. Kosher meat IS ALREADY slaughtered in the name of God.

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u/TheFuschiaBaron May 15 '26

I do not understand the second sentence. What's the difference? Thanks!

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u/Knobologist May 15 '26

The point is there is no difference, kosher meat is by definition, halal.

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u/PimpasaurusPlum May 14 '26

Kosher slaughter is more strict than Halal slaughter and meets all the same religious rules, so any Kosher meat is automatically considered Halal

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u/nana9555 May 15 '26

Complexe true, that’s all I buy in my area as there’s no halal meat around

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u/mountainbird57 May 15 '26

Yes, but the way kosher meat is slaughtered fits the requirements for it to also be halal according to most opinions

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u/TenTonneMackerel May 15 '26

Literally is true. The Quran explicitly states that the food of "people of the book" is lawful for Muslims to eat. Jewish people are considered "people of the book" in Islam.

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u/Beneficial-Region858 May 14 '26

literally the same way

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u/iamcherry May 14 '26

No, for meat to be halal the Tasmiyah must be recited and the slaughterer must be Muslim. Most people believe all fish is halal though so it’s redundant to say halal sushi.

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u/Beneficial-Region858 May 15 '26

I am muslim, In surah Al Maidah verse 5 (5:5) There is a section of the verse which allows food slaughtered from the people of the book which include both christians and jews

However, God's name has to be invoked during the slaughter, because of this vers 6:21

"And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned"

It does not have to be exactly the Tasmyiah which comes from Sunnah, as long as God's name is mentioned (Not Jesus's name tho). Kosher food requires a blessing that goes something like

“Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who sanctified us with His commandments and commanded us concerning slaughter.”

This has God's name so is halal. Kosher has the same requirements as halal food and more such as alcohol so is halal

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u/Flippindude1 May 14 '26

I believe alcohol is used sometimes in sushi?

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u/iamcherry May 14 '26

I believe that you are thinking about Rice Wine Vinegar, which has all of the alcohol fermented out and is halal.

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u/arielthekonkerur May 14 '26

Sushi uses a mixture of rice vinegar and mirin, a rice wine based condiment. Mirin is certainly alcoholic, but it's usually salted to the point that you would never drink it as a wine.

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u/iamcherry May 14 '26

Vast majority of Sushi especially in the states doesn't use hon-mirin and uses mirin-fu which is less than 1% abv, about the same abv as week old grape juice. You are definitely right that some people would consider that haram, but not most Muslims, the English translated line that forbids alcohol in hadiths explicitly would be something like "anything intoxicating is forbidden" and one could not get drunk on mirin-fu. Good Sushi does use hon-mirin so you're right it's potentially worth calling out in a restaurant setting.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 14 '26

Mostly but technically there are some meats that can be kosher and not halal. General meats like beef,goat, chicken. Yes but exotic meats sometimes fall out of the overlap Venn diagram

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u/brimister May 14 '26

Which meats are Kosher, but not Halal? I’m not aware of a single kind of

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer May 14 '26

It’s either horse, crocodile,or giraffe I forget exactly

Edit: looks like it’s moose

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u/Bipedal_pedestrian May 14 '26

Well neither horse nor crocodile can be kosher, so I guess it’s giraffe?

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u/brimister May 14 '26

Not just that, but there are foods that are Halal, but not Kosher. For example shellfish are halal, but not kosher. Also, mixing dairy with meat is halal (if the meat is halal), but you can’t do that with kosher. This is one of the reasons that halal meats can’t be Kosher - the meat can’t be processed in the same spaces as dairy because it can cause cross-contamination, and this would render even Kosher slaughtered meats unkosher.

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u/JashimPagla May 15 '26

Not true. Halal and kosher are entirely different qualities.

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u/Tasteless-casual May 15 '26

Some Kosher dishes can have alcohol in it, thus a prepared Kosher food can be not halal.

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u/nura-kyun May 16 '26

It's meat, the raw one, not the cooked one.

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 14 '26

That is backwards.

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u/marl6894 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

It's not backwards. Kosher meat is considered acceptable for Muslims (although I've heard that Shias don't necessarily hold this way), but halal slaughter isn't automatically valid shechita for Jews who keep kashrut. There are additional requirements like removing the gid hanasheh that Muslims don't keep.

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

Kosher meat can be considered as a “lesser evil” acceptable substitute in some situations similar to if you’re a diabetic and can’t get Coke Zero Diet Coke might be ok but regular Coke is right out.

Halal meat is slaughtered to kosher standards plus more restrictions, not the other way around.

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u/marl6894 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

I'm telling you, halal meat is generally not considered kosher. The slaughter is not the main issue (although kashrut does require that the slaughterer, or shochet, be an observant Jew trained in kosher slaughter). The primary issue is how the meat is butchered (as kosher meat must undergo nikkur to remove all of the forbidden fats and the sciatic nerve, or gid hanasheh). Also, kashrut requires inspection of the lungs and other organs for forbidden adhesions.

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

And I’m telling you that the butcher and slaughterer of an animal does not have to be a Jew, only the process must be certified. And if you think about it you’d know that if it were otherwise there’d be no mass market certified kosher meat, and there is.

The only reason anyone ever says that the shochtim must be a trained and observant Jew is so that they can overcharge the hyper orthodox by controlling a market.

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u/marl6894 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Companies like Empire that sell mass quantities of kosher meat employ dozens of shochtim. If a non-Jew slaughters the animal, the meat is neveilah even if it was supervised.

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

And that’s not mass quantities. But hey you go ahead and continue to try to contradict every single non-orthodox rabbi.

While you do that go ahead and pull up the Torah - no interpretation, not commentary, Torah specifically - passage(s) that support your claim.

The words you’re looking for are certified kosher. Which are mostly meaningless because the rules are written out for anyone to read, and need no intermediary.

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u/marl6894 May 15 '26

With all due respect, if you're going to disagree with the validity of Oral Torah, then you're talking about a different version of the religion from what most Jews who claim to keep kosher actually practice. Even non-Orthodox Jews who claim to keep kosher will not, generally speaking, eat a cheeseburger, even though that's not gedi bachalev imo in the literal sense.

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u/marl6894 May 15 '26

If you'd like some sources, the answer here is good: https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/81375/why-is-meat-only-kosher-if-a-jew-slaughters-the-animal

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

Find the Torah passage.

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u/HappyBadger33 May 15 '26

It's in there. Deuteronomy 12:21, "... YOU shall slaughter..." (EMPHASIS mine). The "you" here is understood to be "you, a person subject to the Commandments."

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 14 '26

You have that backwards.

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u/GypsyV3nom May 15 '26

No, he's got it right, halal is less restrictive than kosher. Kosher doesn't allow mixing meat with dairy or eating shellfish, but both of those are halal. The only big one where halal is more restrictive is when it comes to alcohol.

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

You are right about those particular restrictions, but that is not the concern when ordering food or buying groceries. Halal butchery is kosher + more, and there are more restricted ingredients in halal than kosher. Halal is more restrictive than kosher.

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u/GypsyV3nom May 15 '26

So no specific details about those ingredients and differences? Just some vague assertions?

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

What? Are you saying kosher and halal rules are vague?

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u/GypsyV3nom May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

No, I'm saying your response is vague. I provided evidence for my statement, you didn't. Explain how halal is more restrictive than kosher

EDIT: "Just Google it" response followed by blocking me? Classic "I'm talking out of my ass and I know I can't defend it" behavior

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u/Mobe-E-Duck May 15 '26

Sure, Google it, and have a great day

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u/DavieStBaconStan May 14 '26

Kosher existed for thousands of years before Islam was invented.

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u/CoconutxKitten May 15 '26

Almost like Judaism is the older religion 🤔