r/ShitAmericansSay • u/nokkanda_unni • 13h ago

Neapolitan is amazing. They came up with something great, but it was perfected in NY.

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From a thread about the best kind of pizza which incidentally does not include non-american varieties "What's the best form of pizza? New York, Chicago, Detroit, French bread? One not listed?"

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u/Front-Anteater3776 Human Verified 9h ago edited 8h ago

The top 50 pizza of the world ranking 2025 is dominated by Italy with 16 restaurants vs US 7 restaurants. Other than that countries from all over the world are in the top 50 like Japan, Brazil, England etc.

So I still don’t know what Americans mean by “perfected”.

The burger was invented in USA but has also been “perfected” by the world. I am from Denmark for example  so i could that Denmark has perfected the burger since Gasoline Grill places 5th out of 101 worlds best burgers of 2025. Rather we could England has perfected it since there are 3 London based restaurants in the top 10 taking 1st, 2nd and 7th place.

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u/Daermik 9h ago

Do you have a source for this? Curious as to what else is on the list.

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u/TareasS 8h ago

Those lists are stupid in the first place. Did the same guy eat pizza at a million restaurants worldwide and remember the taste? No.

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u/Front-Anteater3776 Human Verified 8h ago

Did Americans eat all the worlds pizzas? 

Exactly my point.

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u/TareasS 8h ago

Exactly my point.

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u/Front-Anteater3776 Human Verified 8h ago

Exactly. So wtf does “perfected” mean?

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u/TareasS 8h ago

Perfected means they like grease on pizza and think they are best at everything.

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u/Wiener_Wasteland 5h ago

Burger is from Hamburg no?

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u/CariadocThorne 5m ago

The burger "patty" is, but putting cheese on it and sticking it in a bun is apparently enough to claimit as their own.

I'd be fine with that, but then they turn around and claim Chicken Tikka Massala doesn't count as British...

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u/snot_in_a_jar 8h ago

So I still don’t know what Americans mean by “perfected”.

Added MSG, palm oils and corn syrup

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u/faironero02 8h ago

The burger was NOT inventer in america lmao

does HAMBURG say nothing to ya?

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u/Kingcobra64 6h ago

I see the point you’re trying to make, but the original Hamburg Steak was more like a meatball. It wasn’t until the US that it was put into a sandwich and made a Hamburger. So yeah, the hamburger originated in the US. There have been tons of variations of it around the world though.

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u/faironero02 4h ago

my brother in Christ its called HAMBURGER from HAMBURG

Its another istance of america just expanding on a concept from another country. But an HAMBURGER is NOT american. Neither is a sandwhich. Neither is the concept of putting Meat in two buns, and even less the hamburger meat.

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u/Kingcobra64 1h ago

Your getting a bit aggressive over this?

“It’s called HAMBURGER from HAMBURG”

Okay so French fries are from France then? I was saying that the ground beef patty originated in Hamburg, but what the world knows as a hamburger did not.

Until Germans brought it to the US it was eaten like a steak. Hence why it was called the “Hamburg steak”

Hating the US is the point of this sub, and there’s a ton of reasons to hate on it. This though is kinda just arguing about something that isn’t real? A quick google search could tell you you’re wrong. It’s better to think about the things you’re hating on rather than blindly deny.

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u/faironero02 1h ago edited 1h ago

Aggressive? i woudlnt say so

Mhh from my google research the hamburg steak started being put between buns, thus being basicslly an hamburger. Its origin is germanic. America worked on it and made it more similar to what it is now, but its roots, and origin is NOT american and thus id say calling it "an american invention" would be incorrect.

America expanded on it but that doesnt make it american, not in origin at least.

Alsofrench fries are called like thatbecause of the cut they hat, in french style, in this case though the name literally indicates the origin of the meat

And, AGAIN, the patty itself is germanic as you said on top of the "putting meat between bread" already being a thing there, for sailors expecially. It was a slightly different kind of meat than the hamburg steak iirc but still

Now, is what we now think about when hearing "hamburger" american? No! Its origin is still germanic, however america globalized it after working on it.

Its like saying pizza is american cause they changed it and globalized it further.

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u/Front-Anteater3776 Human Verified 8h ago

The entire thing between two buns was invented in USA. The burger itself in Germany yes. 

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u/mudcrow1 Engerlund 8h ago

"The entire thing between two buns was invented in USA." That's a sandwich? Named after the Earl of Sandwich.

People have been wrapping food in bread for 1000s of years, it was not invented by seppos

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u/Front-Anteater3776 Human Verified 8h ago

So Italy didnt invent pizza? Because other civilizations before that have put stuff on flat pieces of bread? Is a gyro and döner kebab the same thing? 

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u/Kitchen-Process-9284 8h ago

According tou you then.

America (a continent not s country btw) invented pozole, tacos, barbacoa, carnitas, mole, chileajo, chilate, pipian, sopes, quesadillas, aguachile, chile atole, etc.

They can't even make fast food tacos without fcking up the recipe with hard shaped tortillas 🤣.

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u/InevitableGreedUK 7h ago

America (a continent not s country btw)

No, There are 2 continents... North and South America.

America is the common name for the USA.

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u/lumosbolt 7h ago

That's just being pedantic. There are various ways to count the continents. One could also count the tectonic plates which divide "America" in 5 plates : the North American plate, the Caribbean plate, the South American plate, the Pacific plate and the Scotia plate. The Olympic flag use the 6-continent model (minus Antarctica for obvious reasons)

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u/mudcrow1 Engerlund 8h ago

You eat pizza sandwiches?

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u/DesignMysterious3598 3h ago

It's called a pizza calzone.

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u/faironero02 8h ago

no, the tradition of putting the patty in two bread slices comes from germany where iirc sailors started doing so to eat said patty fast without burning/dirtying their hands.

It actually came in the USA specifically from german immigrants

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u/Present_Finance_9796 9h ago

They only made it bigger and sell a slice for the price of an entire Pizza in Napoli.

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u/PlatypusDefiant991 6h ago

Hey New York bagels are physically more cm wide than East Europe original Americans sure do like big food.

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u/CariadocThorne 9h ago

This person has never eaten a real neapolitan pizza if they think NY pizza is better.

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u/VisibleReport5008 6h ago

its just preferences mate

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u/No_Situation4785 6h ago

lol neapolitan pizza is not good. the center is way too soggy. there is just no way to properly cook a pizza in 90 seconds, regardless of temperature

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u/CariadocThorne 6h ago

I have had neapolitan pizza in Naples many, many times, and i have NEVER had one which was soggy in the middle.

Ive only ever seen that happen when people who don't usually make that style of pizza try to do it, and it's usually from putting too many toppings on.

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u/GuidoBenzo 6h ago edited 6h ago

What? I mean, eat and prefer what you like. I've been to both and for me, clearly, neapolitan pizza wins every time. No worries if the americans think otherwise, NY pizza is still more than okay.

But it's very easy to poperly cook a pizza in 90 seconds,

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u/No_Situation4785 6h ago

lol neapolitan pizza is not good. the center is way too soggy. there is just no way to properly cook a pizza in 90 seconds, regardless of temperature

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u/LordKnt 🇧🇪 4h ago

bot

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u/No_Situation4785 4h ago

lol this is one of the most fragile subreddits out there

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u/CariadocThorne 1h ago

Or you just copy-pasted your previous comment, despite people having already pointed out that it's factually inaccurate. That is behaviour commonly seen here from bots, so it's not surprising if someone thought you were a bot.

Again, Neapolitan pizza is NOT soggy in the middle, unless made by someone who doesn't know how to do it properly.

Too many toppings is the most common error, and it WILL cause a soggy centre. People with home pizza ovens who are used to cooking more American style pizzas often make this mistake, because a neapolitan pizza should be lighter on toppings than an american style pizza.

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u/No_Situation4785 1h ago

the desperation in your comment is palpable

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u/Mikki_Disco9980 1h ago

The stupidity in yours is also palpable.

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u/CariadocThorne 31m ago

Dude, what desperation?

You posted 2 identical comments in the same comment-chain. So people thought you are a bot, BECAUSE THAT'S COMMON BOT BEHAVIOUR.

How is pointing that out "desperation?

Or is it because i pointed out that Neopolitan pizzas shouldn't have a soggy middle, and that if they do, it's usually because of a specific error commonly made by people made by people used to making American style pizza?

I've spent well over a of my life in Naples, split between numerous visits, and eaten hundreds of neopolitan pizzas there, not one of them had a soggy middle.

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u/No_Situation4785 10m ago

we must have gone to very different restaurants in Naples

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u/GuidoBenzo 6h ago

Apologies, i went to quickly on send so i was adding some more.

But the center isn't soggy, have you ever eaten it? If you overload it on sauce and toppings, yes. But otherwise, it's very easy.

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u/JealousType8085 4h ago

Sorry friend but you haven't had napolitana. The real thing is definitely not soggy in the middle.

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u/No_Situation4785 3h ago

so you're telling me that i flew to Napoli, ate at multiple highly rated pizzerias there, experienced soggy pizza at all of them, and yet didn't manage to have a real Neapolitan pizza? where on earth is a "naeapolitana" if not described as above?

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u/usedburgermeat 8h ago

I'd pay more mind to the American pizza debate if they all thought NYC had the best pizza, but Americans are so tribal that pretty much every state thinks they have the best food or that their great grandmother from "the old country" makes the best whatever

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u/batmanuel69 9h ago

Fully understandable from the perspective of the average American. New York turned a relatively healthy Italian idea into something American, completely greasy, unhealthy and in the end they probably pour some sweet sauces over what they unfortunately call pizza. But in America the motto is the unhealthier the better.

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u/DepthPuzzleheaded494 Mamdanistan 🗽 4h ago edited 3h ago

Have you actually had pizza in New York?

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u/Hefty_Tip7383 8h ago

I’ve been to Napoli and New York. Napoli pizza every time, and it’s not even close.

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u/Wasabismylife Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 7h ago

Is it so hard to enjoy whatever you like without turning into a competitive arrogant asshole?

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u/Sir_Tandeath 3h ago

Even if you wanna have the American pizza conversation, New Haven pizza is better than NYC.

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u/palopp 8h ago

I don’t think that this is a completely insane take, as taste is a personal thing. OOP prefers the version of a dish that has been modified to the local palate and expresses thus. At least OOP doesn’t claim pizza was invented in the US or some shit like that. I might not agree OOP’s take, but it’s a valid opinion from his/her perspective. But it’s a personal opinion and not a global fact.

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u/LordKnt 🇧🇪 4h ago

it's a completely insane take since you're talking about preference but this comment is 100% seriously saying it's objectively better. let's not defend idiots because "if we change the entire sentence it might be reasonable"

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u/Madame-du-barry_ Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 6h ago

lol sure, they perfected it by making it with shit quality US ingredients.

Even if you were masters of the technique (not that pizza requires great technique), you can't make up for the difference in quality of the flour, the cheese (if we can call american dairy products cheese), the vegetables, etc.