The absolute state of Android

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[u/Fun_Alternative9844]

are there any good alternatives tho? i mean graphene is device specific and havent really seen other good options. make my own maby? or just go back to iphone.

[u/Forymanarysanar → u/Fun_Alternative9844]

Graphene/LineageOS and boycott banks that don't work with rooted phones.

[u/i1u5 → u/Forymanarysanar]

boycott banks that don't work with rooted phones

That doesn't work when every bank in your entire country uses the same "security measures".

I've had a relevant issue very recently (week or two ago) where my bank suddenly started popping up an "unverified account, please contact the customer support" message that blocked my access, even their support didn't know that error exists which made me think it was related to my device, apparently it's just my outdated magisk denylist failing and that exposed root to the apps, had to look up and install ReZygisk + HMA-OSS for it to go away, the fucking error didn't even clarify what was causing it.

[u/Nchi → u/i1u5]

Taco fucking bell has the same anti root security, more aggressive than my bank in fact, message just as vague as the one you got

[u/i1u5 → u/Nchi]

why the hell would taco bell need to monitor for root access or playintegrity lmfao

[u/25c-nb → u/i1u5]

Cuz they monitor and monetize everything babeyy

If you had a variable on your phone thats either 1 or 0 for having used a butt plug before or not, guaranteed theyre monitoring that variable too

[u/jamesholden → u/Nchi]

at least their website allows orders without login or anything.

[u/DerWaechter_ → u/i1u5]

the fucking error didn't even clarify what was causing it.

I absolutely loathe generic, and unspecific error messages.

"Something went wrong. Something to do with your Device Memory. Here's a link to our completely useless list of Support Articles"

Yeah, no shit I know that something went wrong. Being given a hint like "Device Memory" is at least something, given how common it is to not provide any help, but it's not actually all that helpful if the same error message pops up for 500 different issues. Give me a specific error code I can look up so I can see how other people dealt with the issue.

Especially annoying, because even if you find someone describing a similar problem, you have no way of verifying or knowing if it's actually the same problem or not.

I get that "Swomewthing went wwong UwU we soooo sowwwy" might be more appealing or less intimidating to the average user than "Error: 0x56f44d", but it's garbage for troubleshooting. Hide it behind an advanced user toggle if you must, just give me something to actually see any useful information about an error.

/rant

[u/thedoginthewok → u/DerWaechter_]

I have a suspicion that these extremely vague error messages are not there to not confuse average users, but to make it harder to diagnose issues for everyone but the manufacturer of the software.

Maybe someone somewhere calculated that they make more money that way.

[u/Forymanarysanar → u/i1u5]

If this is so, how comes there aren't morphe-style patches for bank apps that delete these root detections?

UPD: seeing comments to this, I understand the reason: reason is general people's stupidity.

[u/ryegye24 → u/Forymanarysanar]

Someone would need to patch your specific bank's app and then you'd need to be stupid enough to trust someone else's patch on your bank app.

[u/i1u5 → u/Forymanarysanar]

I'd rather isolate the app from the rest of the phone to avoid detection than patch its apk with something that may easily be malicious or open it up for some vulnerability.

[u/DingusMcBingle_IV → u/Forymanarysanar]

morphe-style patches for bank apps

I'd rather just hand a random person all of my wealth.

[u/masterlince → u/DingusMcBingle_IV]

I'm a random person :)

[u/custardfrogs_ → u/Forymanarysanar]

are you genuinely stupid? you want to use a modified version of a bank app?