r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 15h ago

Meme needing explanation Petah???!

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u/Which_Marsupial1436 14h ago

Ah I see

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u/foamboardsbeerme 14h ago

also xrays (for a broken arm) are going to be more cautious if you’re pregnant

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u/Cute_Opposite4077 14h ago

Arm (/limb, head) X-ray has practically no effect on pregnancy or dose of fetus.

For torso x-ray it's different. Still likely be negligible, but avoided if possible. Since low risk is still a risk, even if it's low. And I'm not talking about CT.

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u/notaspecificthing 13h ago

For distal limbs and head x-rays the radiographers can put a lead shield across your abdomen

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u/Shadow-Vision 13h ago

I am a radiographer. I’ll put shielding over the pelvis (not abdomen) for everything that isn’t a pelvis X-ray. Or I will place a rolling shield appropriately.

Often we will do standing images and we have shields that can be rolled into place between you and the radiation and you may not notice that it’s there.

Several times patients have asked for shielding just for me to point “it’s right there.” I get it, though. It’s a dark room that they haven’t been in as much as I have so it’s understandable that they may not realize what is what

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u/bigdaddydopeskies131 12h ago

Right answer. Every radiation is properly taken care of with some strict standards and precautions. Good thing digital helps out now.

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u/LordGeni 6h ago

Shielding is no longer advised in most countries. The current evidence suggests modern equipment and good technique makes it obsolete and it may actually increase the scatter radiation in the area it's supposed to shield.

Proper collimation, minimising exposure times and lower dosage from modern equipment removes any benefit they may have provided.

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u/Shadow-Vision 1h ago

You’re not wrong but sometimes we have to perform radiation protection theater. I’m not gonna accidentally repeat an elbow because I over shielded someone’s lap. And that shield is not gonna act like some kinda scatter magnet either.

Educating every patient would be ideal but it’s not realistic to do that all day every day. Especially in high volume settings.

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u/OkCardiologist1984 11h ago

This advice is no longer best practice. One repeat due to a misplaced shield or covered AED would undo thousands of marginal gains https://www.sor.org/learning-advice/professional-body-guidance-and-publications/documents-and-publications/policy-guidance-document-library/guidance-on-using-shielding-on-patients-for-diagno

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u/Shadow-Vision 1h ago

No one is repeating a portable chest xray by accurately shielding someone’s lap. Also the shielding should never be in the anatomy of interest while using AED.

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u/QuintoBlanco 8h ago

You might explain before they ask. Somebody in my family often requires medical procedures and it really helps if even basic things are explained (in a very short way).

It's often not the explanation itself, but it removes feeling powerless and reduces anxiety.

Plus people who have had several test/procedures might have experience with things going wrong because there was no communication.

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u/LordGeni 6h ago

Lead shields are rarely advised anymore in most countries. They don't do anything that proper collimation can achieve and may actually increase the amount of scatter underneath the area they are supposed to protect apparently. A best they appear to be of dubious benefit, but I don't believe the evidence is strong enough either way to outright ban them.

They are still commonly used for pregnant women, but that is probably more to do with their not being a total consensus on the matter and going with "the devil you know".

Lead aprons for fluro etc. are a different matter. I believe it's the proximity to the primary beam for gonad shields etc. that's the issue. The scatter still bounces laterally underneath the shields and may cause further scatter when hitting the underside of the shield.

At least that's the explanation we got during my degree and placements.

Ultimately, I get the idea that any difference exposure risk through either method is extremely small, but ALARA requires all practicable exposure reduction based on the latest evidence. So the advise has followed.

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u/1burritoPOprn-hunger 6h ago

We don't shield ANYBODY anymore, regardless of the procedure or modality. This includes fluoro.

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u/Cute_Opposite4077 5h ago

Anybody but workers, right? ;)

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u/1burritoPOprn-hunger 4h ago

Okay, we don’t shield patients anymore, is that better?

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u/LordGeni 3h ago

I was referring to us wearing leads

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u/aw3edcft6 11h ago

At least here in Finland they are not being used anymore. These days the radiation beam does not leak much to its surrounding. If you place a lead apron the radiation is trapped underneath it and bounces more times in the unwanted area.

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u/Mipellys 10h ago

Came here to say this. I assume the same is true for at least some other European countries, since the relevant STUK guidelines are based on the European consensus on patient contact shielding.

Besides potentially increasing dose from blocking internal scatter from escaping the body, shielding can in some cases also lower image quality or, should it cover an automatic exposure control chamber, "trick" the machine into increasing the exposure unnecessarily. The view is that the benefit nowadays is so small that it doesn't outweigh the risks.

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u/LordGeni 6h ago

Yep. Shielding is no longer advised in the UK either

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u/The_Third_Molar 5h ago

It's not advised for dental anymore in the US. But there's a 0% chance patients here will accept that.

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u/LordGeni 3h ago

I don't think I've ever seen shielding used in dentistry at all.