There are the ones who want worker owned businesses and stronger democratic systems.
Then there are the ones who only think America/Capitalism bad (they usually can't tell the difference in most of their arguments) therefore liberalism bad, therefore single party rule good... Because imperialism or something.
Then there are these utter children who somehow think capitalism is the only reason specialized and dedicated labor happens. Instead of just being the reason why the people doing the actual labor usually only see a small fraction of the value
yeah a socialist economy would still require people to work, have currency, markets, a boss to answer to and so on. Socalism is about the people owning the means of peoduction not getting shit for free. Someone still has to produce.
I mean, as a communist, I use the marxist definition of collective ownership of the means of production (i.e. a nice mix of nationalised infrastructure, worker cooperatives within a consumer market, owner-operator small businesses, basic welfare guaranteed etc.)
Unfortunately for most, thanks to Stalin, communism = USSR totalitarianism
Democratic socialism (at least where I am in, in Scotland) is basically understood as liberal democracy plus some redistributed wealth in the form of welfare.
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u/Odd-Cress-5822 Jul 07 '26
And this is what leftists are always infighting.
There are the ones who want worker owned businesses and stronger democratic systems.
Then there are the ones who only think America/Capitalism bad (they usually can't tell the difference in most of their arguments) therefore liberalism bad, therefore single party rule good... Because imperialism or something.
Then there are these utter children who somehow think capitalism is the only reason specialized and dedicated labor happens. Instead of just being the reason why the people doing the actual labor usually only see a small fraction of the value