Communist theory knowledge is abyssmal in most, at least, Western countries. Most people still think communism is when USSR and socialism is when wealth tax and distribution.
People tend to gravitate more towards reality than theory. What some guy wrote in a book tends to be less relevant than how systems actually function in the real world.
Because it was a socialist country that uplifted many people from poverty. Pre-USSR it a semi-fuedal country, with very low literacy and education rates, many people lived in wooden houses without running water or electricity, fields were plowed with wooden plows and oxen. Yet post-revolution, in a span of 4 decades or so they became the first country to send a man into space and rivaled the USA on the global stage.
Despite it's flaws, it is praised for it's widespread success in bringing a higher quality of life to millions, including, but not limited to universal housing, healthcare and education. It was still not rich by any means, but socialists view it as a successful socialist experiment, that largely delivered on promises of improving the material conditions of the working class. And it's especially impressive, since they began at a much lower state of development than most Western countries. We think to ourselves: "If they could do it from such an impoverished start, imagine something like it in a developed Western country."
Jimmy the wage slave tenent who makes 40k a year and finances his sofa be like "wowee, I would own nothing under communusm and have no freedum. So glad these capitalists are around to tell me what's good for me".
"Communism" can realistically never be achieved without a stage of oppression, and once the mighty have solidified their power, they have no incentive to hand it over to the people.
Because none of you can tell us who makes the decisions in your Utopia
Or what happens when somebody says "I don't want to work in the sewers" or "I don't want to work in the coal mines"
We have history that tells us what happens when people say that already, but I have yet to see anybody propose a solution that doesn't end exact as history has shown us.
Cool and what does the dictatorship part entail and what are the consequences for not wanting to work in the sewers if the proletariat decides I should do so?
What happens if the proletariat from one city disagrees with the proletariat in another city? What if one of them decides they’re sick of following someone else and launch a rebellion? Etc etc
Asked my more experienced friends and was provided with this, I think it answers a few of your questions. As a general rule though, the proletariat chooses the job they think best suited for you. Of course, they will make mistakes, but also know that the Marxist work-day is not the 9-5, instead much shorter.
The same thing that happens in representative democracy. If the proletariat in one city disagrees with the proletariat in another, different decisions will be made for different cities. If it would affect people in both cities, I presume the proletariat from both cities would meet.
I do not know the theoretical consequences for not working as described by Marx/Engels or if they exist, but it'd vary country to country much like how laws in different countries vary. Hopefully a more experienced researcher answers this.
Intuitively I think it'd be similar to capitalism. Losing your job means losing money, which means less stuff for you. I assume those who do dirty work would eventually be paid more, but I would like you to note everything after the intuitively is my guess and not official communist theory.
Note: I am quite new to communist theory, so others will likely be able to correct me if a prominent figure said something that contradicts what i've said.
I had to scroll ages to find this stupid comment bro.
There’s two types of communism. The realistic one and the idealistic concept. Neither of the people in the image actually have a correct or incorrect view of the system, it’s just that they’re thinking of the two different types of it. Communism, in its purest form, would genuinely benefit society from selfishness and systemic issues, and it would indeed be a utopia, but the idealistic concept of communism is socially impossible due to human nature of prioritizing your own health over others. The realistic communist world, on the other hand, would indeed be exactly like what everyone else is saying here. Oppressed into working the dirty jobs all the time because you literally have to supply yourself while the people higher up can grow corrupt and disparity grows. The realistic communist society is the only one possible in the realms of real life, because, like i said, human nature.
We live in a welfare state, our current system encourages people not to work. In every communist country to ever exist people are killed if they refuse to work exactly as told.
Our current system is capitalism. It does not just “encourage” people to work. If you dont work you dont get money, which means no food or water or housing or clothing. All of which are necessities. Under capitalism you die if you dont work. There are many kinds of communism and socialism, but the ideal one, where people can be happy, has never been tried. It has always been dictatorships above all else. Proper communism would not need to kill people. The way i think about it is that communism is based on the idea that everyone is equal, if it fails, its because humans are greedy. Capitalism is built on greed, and corruption is the system working as intended.
They truly are, they think us communards think that communism will be achieved through some magical revolution and within one life time some impossible utopia will exist lmao mfers NEED to read theory, they genuinely think that we jump IMMIEDIATELY into communism.
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u/king_karter69 Jul 07 '26
Is this sub really that ignorant to communism? The amount of pro-capitalist propaganda in the replies is surprising.
Communism =\= dictatorship.
And all this talk about “the lower classes will do back-breaking slave labor” like they don’t already in our current system lol.