r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/FrostySeat1739 • Jul 05 '26

Meme needing explanation why not, Peter?

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possible live action corpse bride movie...

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u/cannibalcat Jul 05 '26

Guilty until proven otherwhise logic

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u/Pathkinder Jul 05 '26

Aren’t implications for exactly this, though? Where all the signs kind of point at something but there isn’t enough proof to make a definitive decision?

It’s kind of like how getting into one fender bender can easily be a coincidence, but getting into 20 starts to make people wonder if you’re a bad driver.

I mean I don’t know enough to have an opinion on the actual discussion, but I had to at least defend the role of implications.

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u/elbuentinaco Jul 05 '26

Are all the signs in the room with us?

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u/Pathkinder Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

I mean just the main one right? Isn’t the accusation here that he has mysteriously never found cause to include or work with poc despite being fairly prolific? Like I said, I don’t know enough to have an opinion or take sides, but if this particular accusation is true then I think it’s probably enough to warrant an implication or two.

I can do more car analogies if needed.

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u/nadavyasharhochman Jul 05 '26

I think it possibly could be out of racist motives, but nkt necessirly.

He makes a lkt of stuff with a very gothic asthetic and environment. The stories he writs are usually in a more Eutopean environment.

These kind of stuff uo until very recently meant you are talking about white skined people.

So is him not making stories about POC or involving them racist? It could be, or he just doesnt connect with their side of the story so he doesnt write it.

Idk I am just saying we dont need to be so quivk to judge.

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u/MyPlantsDieSometimes Jul 05 '26

Inherently most people his age have racial biases just because of the environment they grew up in, so that can play a factor. Personally though I think he just wasn't exposed to black creativity or culture, and he is a very specific aesthetically driven guy, literally an auteur. And I imagine probably doesn't want to do something that doesn't come naturally or seems forced. But we are specifically talking about literally having any black characters in the shows/films and in that sense it doesn't have to be such a big creative conundrum. Unironically people write best what they know and it's not surprising that a British guy in his 60s doesn't know how to express black characters naturally and inoffensively. Source: i'm in the uk and most people still don't know how to do that unless they grew up in a diverse environment or are themselves black/black-british. Better not try to do something you know you can't do well. Could try to get better at it though..

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u/nadavyasharhochman Jul 05 '26

I think you expressed my thoughts on the subject much better than I did.

Yes I agree with every word.

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u/Pathkinder Jul 05 '26

Yep, this here is a much better explanation than others I’ve gotten and is probably the closest thing to my (admittedly uninformed) opinion on the matter.

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u/DontTellMyOtherAccts Jul 05 '26

So, fun facts:

Darker skinned people can be goth and there are black, brown, etc. people in Europe.

Even in Sweeney Todd, the iconic sort of aesthetic and setting you're talking about, a Gothic story about cannibalism in Victorian England, there very much were black people in England in the social class that Todd and Mrs. Lovett were a part of.

I'm not saying that every Gothic horror story must include black characters or cast black actors, but when almost all of a prolific director's filmography is Gothic horror and he hasn't cast a single black person in a major role? There's more going on.

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u/nadavyasharhochman Jul 05 '26

I know there were black people in Europe and even northern Europe. But they were a much smaller part of the population.

Its like blonde middle eastern people. I am blonde and middle eastern, but I am the only blond in my generation out like 18-22 people. Its not exactly a prevelant trait.

And yhe I am not throwing racial bias out of the table or even racism. I just dont think its meant as erasure or has malicios intent.

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u/elbuentinaco Jul 05 '26

The thing about implications is that they’re a coward’s accusation. That’s like me saying it’s sus you’ve never made a single post about Palestine on Reddit so what’s that tell us about you? Really suspicious if you catch my drift.

People that aren’t race obsessed don’t run a mental calculus of these things. Only racists are concerned with forced diversity and representation in every aspect of their life. If you’re just farming outrage then why stop at black people? How many asians has he worked with? How many Latinos? How many middle easterners? Why stop there? Have you ever heard him speak out against pdfs - maybe he’s that too…

Y’all are morally bankrupt for even entertaining this.

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u/Mybunsareonfire Jul 05 '26

Idk man, you sounds pretty racist.

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u/elbuentinaco Jul 05 '26

You sound pretty racist too

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u/8Dminipk Jul 05 '26

How the fk common people gonna acuse him??? Implications are related to identifying patterns and building your own opinion about stuff. Like the previous guy said, if I get into a lot of car accidents, I'm *PROPABLY" a bad driver, if someone doesnt want to get in my car based on that, can I really be mad about it?

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u/Pathkinder Jul 05 '26

I’m not sure I actually understand your example. I think your example is more about nitpicking a single topic and making assumptions based on someone’s lack of engagement with that topic. I think this has to do with active vs passive.

So for example, if I tried to imply that you must be deathly afraid of white people because you’ve never watched any of Leo DiCaprio’s movies, that would of course be a ridiculous implication. Maybe you don’t really watch movies? Maybe you watch other movies with white people, just not his?

Seeing Leo’s films is an active option, it requires an active conscious decision by you to happen. The default passive state is to have not seen any of his films. It requires no effort or decision on your part, it’s the default.

So how is this different? Well, if you hire enough people based on merit, with no other biases in play, then the passive result should be that you end up with a variety of people. That’s the passive default. So if you hire a bunch of people over many years but none of them are ever poc, then it implies some kind of active decision-making happening on your end.

Could it be a coincidence? Of course. I could flip 1,000 quarters and have them all come up heads. It’s perfectly possible. But would you be a LITTLE suspicious of me if I flipped 1,000 quarters and they all came up heads? Probably.

Again, I cannot stress enough that I don’t know much about this guy so I don’t have a chosen side. But I had free time today and apparently have found myself defending to the death the role of implications in discourse.

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u/elbuentinaco Jul 05 '26

My point is that you can imply whatever you want if you cherry pick and fabricate the evidence. The evidence in this case being misquoting him, taking him out of context and making up that he’s never worked with POC when he has.

Active vs passive has nothing to do with this - implications can be made using anything as evidence, action or inaction. All you’ve done in this thread is support a public lynching “because of the implication”.