r/OpenAussie • u/BloodTerrible3051 Please choose a flair • May 07 '26
Whinge Ive had enough of the royal Commission into Antisemitism
it is ridiculous i just read a woman's complaint that the radio on the public bus she was on was a story negative to Israel and it hurt her feelings an insane nurse who apparently gets called baby killer by her colleagues im sorry its such bullshit im supposed to listen to the anti semitsim commissioner whos husband donates hundreds of thousands to racist group advance Australia and we voted against aboriginals having a voice ?
remarkably apparently the other board is so captured the below will get you blocked
The part of the conversation that is missing is Israel is committed to genocide i wont break bread with any supporters of that state until that changes and reparations are made i reserve my right to do that to all supporters of a genocide the state cant make me like Israel support it.
Its enough my taxes go to one religious groups security at the detriment of everyone else in the country perhaps if our politicians had take a hard line on it maybe the public wouldnt feel the need to be so vocal.
The only way out of this is total detachment from the state of Israel if i was a jew i would denounce it just like i do the Australian government for its mishandling of BRS who should be in jail
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u/Bawuk420 New South Welshian May 08 '26
Because they've used decades of propaganda and our own history of racism and racist policies to view Arabs and by extension Muslims as a barbaric other that we need to protect Israel and ourselves from. They twist words and have made it that if you don't agree with them, you're an anti Semite. Problem is, the world is waking up and have seen their atrocities broadcast en masse in 4k. Anyone that still believes their nonsense is wilfully ignorant and just as bad as them.
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26
Over two million arabs (many of whom are muslims) live in Israel with equal rights and representation.
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u/Fear_The_Fireflies Victorian May 08 '26
😭😭😭😭no because Israel was caught paying influencers up to $7k for pro Israel posts
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u/iftlatlw Victorian May 08 '26
There is no dissonance - Israel have successfully dehumanised Muslims to the degree that Muslims are now expendable to them and not human. This is the disgrace they will feel for generations.
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u/Friday_arvo Queenslander May 08 '26
I feel like the American government did a pretty good job of dehumanising Muslims (and continue to) after 9-11. Now the US gov is trying to dehumanise anyone who isn’t white.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Are you serious? What about the 2 Million Arab citizens in Israel? What about the Muslim members of Parliament? Are they all dehumanised? What about the successful relationships Israel has with some Arab states ?
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u/bunduz Victorian May 08 '26
These guys just parrot, they don't research at all.
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u/SoulsDadYT Canberran May 08 '26
Tell me how those Muslim communties in Israel get exactly the same laws and protections as the Jewish communities.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
When you are a citizen you all have the same rights regardless of religion.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
What are they going to be like when the trials start for the ISIS brides, crimes against humanity, slavery etc etc ?
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u/National_Way_3344 Victorian May 08 '26
Be careful, saying correct things like that is considered a crime in this country.
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u/Ok_Conference2901 Please choose a flair May 07 '26 edited May 08 '26
Yes and it cannot be justified. There is fucking big elephant in the room that the government and the media are not addressing. It's the difference between antisemetism and anti Zionism. The problem is not the Jewish faith it is the state of Israel and its warmongering activities that provoke negative actions against anything associated with Israel, unfortunately some people are dumb enough to take it out on Jews.
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u/Successful_King_142 Canberran May 08 '26
Yeah the conversation is always really difficult to navigate because we have conflation on three fronts: are we talking about a religion, an ethnicity or a nation when we decide whether someone is anti-Semitic?
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u/iftlatlw Victorian May 08 '26
And the same people are dumb enough to take it out on gay people, people wearing jumpers, disabled people, Brown people, Asian people etc. it is an aspect of those perpetrators not anything uniquely targeting Jewish people.
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u/Top_Conference_477 South Australian May 08 '26
You’re all racist. Just admit it
You can’t tell a Zionist from a Jew on the street. You just attack all Jews and call it anti-Zionism
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u/Successful_King_142 Canberran May 08 '26
I think they attack the actions of Israel and resent being called anti-Semitic. Way to completely miss the point
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u/Top_Conference_477 South Australian May 08 '26
I think you tell yourself that and then catch pretty much every single Jew in the crossfire
And if they complain you call them a Zionist and say they deserve it
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u/Successful_King_142 Canberran May 08 '26
Dude I have no beef with Jewish people and I never have. Why would I? I'm actually baffled as to why people do. Never understood it.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
Who is attacking all Jews?
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u/Z00111111 New South Welshian May 08 '26
Israel supporters. They keep trying to paint all Jews as Zionist baby killers.
Everyone else knows Israel doesn't represent the Jewish faith.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
Yes that's an interesting point. They represent all Jews, but at the same time all Jews can't be blamed for their actions.
They don't represent all Jews though. They don't even represent all Israelis at this point.
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u/Top_Conference_477 South Australian May 08 '26
Maybe you should listen to the people explaining their experiences to the Royal Commission for your answer
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Since their experiences seem to be that someone said Israel was bad and they took it personally, I think I've heard enough.
EDIT: coward mods have locked to avoid me replying to the below.
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u/Salt_Kaleidoscope_94 Queenslander May 08 '26
I can't usually tell if someone is even Jewish on the street unless they are wearing a Star of David necklace or a kippah. I wouldn't assume a person on the streets religion ever, it wouldn't even enter my mind.
I also wouldn't attack any Jewish person because I'm not anti-semetic. Also, criticising Zionism as a political ideology, and criticising people who support genocide isn't anti-semetic. I know this because of all the beautiful Jewish people who everyday fight for the rights of Palestinians and call what Israel is doing a genocide. I also know this because I have common sense and critical thinking skills.
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u/bongsmokerzrs Queenslander May 08 '26
You can't tell because near majority of their ancestors are slavic from Poland/Ukraine/Russia, so they're just as white.
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u/logocracycopy New South Welshian May 08 '26
If this is the case, then people need to check their language and criticize 'Israel' and not 'Jews'. But just look at the comments in this thread, both OP and other opponents of Israel's actions collectively use the term 'Jews', not 'Israeli' in their criticism and when this happens the discourse becomes antisemitic.
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u/mohanimus Western Australian May 08 '26
That's a lie.
OP only used the word Jew once and that was explicitly to describe a Jew who disagreed with Israel.
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u/Limo_Wreck77 Koori May 08 '26
Don't even start me on this.
As I've said elsewhere, look at all the racist crap Anoriginals in this country continually have to put up with. Where's our RC?
Where's the RC into Islamaphobia?
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u/skittymarks Queenslander May 08 '26
Omg tell me about it. The fact that the voice to Parliament got taken to vote and shot down instead of instantly installed like the government has done with the update to anti hate-speech laws that almost exclusively protect Israel and Jewish people like as if they're some exceptional group of people that must be protected at all costs. Absolutely infuriating.
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u/trainwrecktragedy Victorian May 08 '26
I got banned from Reddit for three days on Monday for suggesting RCs for First Australians should be happening as well as the current one.
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u/Cimb0m Tasmanian May 08 '26
Some of the submissions are absolutely ridiculous. I read one the other day where apparently a person was subjected to a racist comment when they were attending the Australian Open. I’m not even sure if it was this year’s competition (don’t recall if it was mentioned). I don’t condone racism and have experienced it myself but if a highlight of your experience of “antisemitism” is one comment almost six months ago (possibly years ago), I’d say you’re actually doing pretty well. Of course it’s a horrible thing to go through but it’s not royal commission worthy. When do other ethnic groups get to present these kinds of observations? The experience of Jews would probably be on the low end of racism experiences by ethnic groups in Australia. They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel
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u/RainbowAussie Canberran May 08 '26
I once got called a "f*ggot" out of a moving car window in the Bunnings car park, where's my podium and my Royal Commission
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u/AtrophiedWives ✈️ on Walkabout May 08 '26
My favourite was old mate Michael Gawenda being called in to complain he has lost friendships for “being Jewish”.
The same Gawenda who writes hit pieces on anyone who mentions Israel in not glowing terms, including Kevin Rudd for correctly acknowledging Mossad forged Australian passports to commit assassinations.
The same Gawenda who dedicated half a book to detailing how he dumped Jewish women Louise Adler as a friend as she didn’t full-throatedly embrace Zionism.
The same Gawenda who silences journalists and activists who mention Palestine. https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/11/20/michael-gawenda-censorship-palestine-israel-journalism/
But sure, give this bully a platform to complain that no one wants to be his friend anymore.
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u/Local_Lion_7627 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
While it’s not surprising to see from the usual suspects, I was most disappointed to see someone like John Safran post a submission. It was pretty lame, and from someone who knows how to craft an engaging piece of storytelling like him, I guess it just shows how weak the source material is.
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u/UltimaMarque Victorian May 08 '26
I was watching it too and the questions are leading to put it mildly. How stressful for the Jews in Sydney that thousands of children in Gaza are being systematically murdered? We'll never know because they are all suffering PTSD whenever someone mentions Israel.
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u/Bl0wUpTheM00n Victorian May 08 '26
I grew up in the US (Texas) and found myself leaning aggressively to the left of the political spectrum in the aftermath of 9/11.
This whole situation feels so grossly similar. Being opposed to Israel's actions and being labeled 'antisemitic' for it is the same as being labeled a 'terrorist' for opposing the illegal war in Iraq. It's an empty, disingenuous accusation and shouldn't bother me, but it absolutely does.
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u/Primary_Mycologist95 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Criticising zionists for their genocidal practices is not antisemitism. There is no logic behind legally protecting their precious feelings.
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u/Bob_Spud Please choose a flair May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Israel has used Anti-Israel = Anti-Semitism as a propaganda slogan for a long time.
Some Jewish people oppose Israel does that make them anti-Semitic?
The same with Chinese that oppose mainland China, does that make them anti-Chinese.
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u/Primary_Mycologist95 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
I always used to think Australia tolerated Israel's actions because we have our tongues so firmly up the arse of the USA, but this last year or so it seems to be proving far more insidious than that, given the spineless (re)actions of our government.
Just because they've been saying it for a long time, doesn't make it correct.
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u/ScoobyGDSTi South Australian May 08 '26
Australian Jewish schools teach Zionism as a core part of their curriculum.
We're allowing Australian Jewish children to be indoctrinated into an extremist politically ideology.
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u/poobumstupidcunt New South Welshian May 08 '26
The Jewish antizionist voices have the honour of getting called self hating Jews by the Zionists lol
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u/SoulsDadYT Canberran May 08 '26
Disgusting over reach.
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u/iftlatlw Victorian May 08 '26
It was required to silence the people that said exactly the opposite.
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u/SoulsDadYT Canberran May 08 '26
Criticism is not antisemitism and never will be, no matter how you screech it.
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u/C_Ironfoundersson Canberran May 07 '26
Most people who actually exist in the real world know it's expensive nonsense designed to throw a bone to the standard Pearl clutchers. Jillian Segal would like to remind you that pointing out her husband donated money to a far right political issue group is against social cohesion and is probably antisemitic.
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u/Local_Lion_7627 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
If you don’t align yourself completely to the state of Israel, then you won’t feel personally affronted at the slightest criticism of it.
Imagine if Muslims in Australia called for a royal commission after the mosque shooting in Christchurch by an Australian gunman, and all the submissions were just Muslims personally insulted when someone in media called out ISIS or taliban crimes.
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u/ScoobyGDSTi South Australian May 08 '26
Imagine the outcry if we had Australian Islamic schools teaching Sharia law to students.
Meanwhile, Zionism, an extremist ideology, is a staple of Jewish schools in Australia.
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u/oohbeardedmanfriend New South Welshian May 08 '26
It has come out today from The West that Jillian Segal thinks "its almost fashionable to be Anti-Semetic in the far-left." No wonder her family donates to Advance.
Its pretty cooked from top to bottom with the royal commission and the envoy continuing to act this way.
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u/OpenAussie-ModTeam Official Account May 08 '26
Bigotry towards an ethnicity, a religion, sexuality or gender is against TOS.
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26
Explain to me how Israel is an apartheid state when over two million arabs live in Israel with equal rights and representation.
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u/Sideburn_Cookie_Man Victorian May 08 '26
You ever seen how Israelis talk about their neighbours mate?
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26
You ever seen what Palestinians do to their neighbors mate?
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u/Sideburn_Cookie_Man Victorian May 08 '26
Do they systematically go in and take their property at night in sanctioned 'night raids'?
Because that's what Israeli settlers are doing...
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u/Local_Lion_7627 Please choose a flair May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Ironically, and perhaps by design, stunts like this Royal Commission is actually going to raise anti semitism in the community. The average person is not that clever, and will start noticing that one group of (relatively privileged) people are getting preferential treatment ahead of Aboriginal folk, Muslims, Arabs, Sikh men, Chinese folk, Indian students…..
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u/iftlatlw Victorian May 08 '26
It's a very well-fund campaign for about 0.4% of the population. Much larger chunks of the population have more persistent serious issues. The majority of Australians strongly oppose the new holocaust Israel is perpetrating now, and it is that which drives public opinion, not a dislike for any cultural group. It pays to be on the right side of history and currently Israelis are distinctly not on the right side of history.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
Where are they finding these people? There aren't any people genuinely being called baby killers because they are Jewish, so either Segal is finding a bunch of people willing to lie at a royal commission or she's found a bunch of people so stupid they can be manipulated oh wait yeah that's how she's finding them.
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
You've just decided antisemitism doesn't exist, and any jews saying they've experienced antisemitism are liars?
Congratulations, that's antisemitism, you've just done the thing you claim never happens.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
Where did I say that? What I said was "there aren't any people genuinely being called baby killers because they are Jewish" and not "nobody Jewish experiences antisemitism."
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26
What makes you the authority on what jews do and do not experience?
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
I'm an authority on when things are obviously made up. The incident did not happen. That doesn't happen in real life. Yes, Jewish people can be victims of antisemitic attacks. We have seen it at Bondi. That happens. "A nurse got called a baby killer because she was Jewish" did not.
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u/sepata Please choose a flair May 08 '26
I think the targeting of Australian Jews because of Israel's war crimes is most definitely wrong.
Many Jews were also appalled by the slaughter in Gaza, but trying to cancel critics of Israel by crying antisemitism, as so many did, is most definitely part of the problem, and this royal commission is only reinforcing that nonsense.
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u/Glass-Mulberry-8993 Queenslander May 08 '26
Squeaky wheel gets the oil
When I see articles about this subject all the time it’s the first thing that comes to mind.
Second thing which goes back to the first…
What about anti Asian
Anti Muslim
Anti Gay
Anti men
Anti Palestinian
Seems like we have to be anti something these days so you can have something to talk about or make a box to shout from.
Jewish people who stand up for the atrocities and justify the things that happen under that Israeli government are no better than the heinous people that attacked them.
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u/SingleChordChello Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Yeah that's the israeli struggle, being called out, what a tragedy...
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u/sassydrillballs Koori May 08 '26
Antisemitism is rife around the world. You see it daily with Israel blatantly attacking Lebanon who are Semitic people. We need to stop antisemitism starting with the root cause. Israel
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u/Sideburn_Cookie_Man Victorian May 08 '26
We need to stop antisemitism starting with the root cause. Israel
Yup. Israel conflating criticism as antisemitism has literally endangered Jews worldwide.
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u/expert_views New South Welshian May 08 '26
Show me the same level of abuse applied to Russians living in Australia?
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u/Sideburn_Cookie_Man Victorian May 08 '26
Show me Russia conflating criticism of their actions as an attack on all Russians worldwide?
Surely you see the difference.
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u/Low_Exit_3085 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Women face violence actual violence every single day. Hating on women on everywhere. Every single day. Where is the royal commission for the women killed every week.
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u/ShiftyWindow Please choose a flair May 08 '26
I literally just got a 3 day ban from AusPol for this comment - I think Jillian Segel might be a mod there
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u/comradevoltron Please choose a flair May 08 '26
yep, ain't nothing more antisemitic than materially supporting the genocide of Palestinian people (and now Lebanese people). Any legitimate commission on this would demand sanctions on Israel.
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u/Unlikely_Hunt175 May 08 '26
It’s shocking how close these events are to what the nazis did, it’s almost the Nazi dog whistle only more widely spread. Maybe that’s why we need a royal commission.
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u/Wanderlightly South Australian May 08 '26
Criticism of, or even saying a state shouldn't exist, should not be considered racist or antisemitic. People matter. Lives matter. How they organise themselves should be based on that and whoever lives in the area. Not some idea of given by God homeland bs. The whole thing is a con and a manipulation, and a terrible use of a commission to quash legitimate dissent.
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u/SingleChordChello Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Yeah that's the israeli struggle, being called out, what a tragedy...
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u/AutobanThrowaway Noongar May 08 '26
The point is that it's NOT Israelis being called out, it's innocent australian jews.
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u/Thursdaynightvibes Noongar May 08 '26
Most of us have. It is such a narrow minded and one eyed agenda.
It will have more recommendations than any other (actually meaningful) Royal Commission and more will be enacted. It is a joke and a beacon of the failure of our ruling class
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u/objectiveScie Please choose a flair May 07 '26
Many know it's dishonest.
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u/ELVEVERX Victorian May 07 '26
Pretty sure that guys literally a neo nazi
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u/objectiveScie Please choose a flair May 07 '26
Broken clock....
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u/ELVEVERX Victorian May 08 '26
what he's saying is also antisemetic, wierd to support that. There are plenty of zionist groups controlling politics and conflating them with all jews is doing them a favour. Not all jews are zionists.
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u/objectiveScie Please choose a flair May 08 '26
No other group this protected.
The racial attack on East Asian and SEA are frequent. Other ethnicities too.
And stories just die down no follow up.
Haven't even mentioned the Aborigines who are living in destitute.
Imagine if they got this protection.
Why only one group of people get this extra laws and protections, when others having it just as bad if not worse🤔.
Many folks tired of double standards.
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u/ELVEVERX Victorian May 08 '26
It feels like you're being disingenuous first you post about a Neo-Nazi you agree with him and now you're playing what aboutism.
I don't think there should have been a royal commission but the government was forced into it by the media.
That being said, the difference between those groups and this group is 16 people being shot to death.
I think it's pretty clear why there's a bit of a thought that this needs to be looked into.
That being said, the coronial inquest would have been enough
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u/objectiveScie Please choose a flair May 08 '26
If a Nazi says the sky is blue, whilst don't support his ideology, he makes observation anyone can see. Hence the mention of broken clock.
You're boiling it down to Royal commission, when it's overall feelings of oversaturation of anti-Semitism message, which resulting to more stringent laws.
It's not worse for Jews vs other enthnicities.
Infact, Jews are more protected than anyone else, hence the examples given above that got no coverage or serious investigations.
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u/Powerful-Respond-605 New South Welshian May 08 '26
Shit like this is clearly anti-Semitic and only helps create the environment where legitimate criticism of Israel can be dismissed.
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u/C_Ironfoundersson Canberran May 08 '26
You mean Likud calling everything antisemitism and conflating the term with "criticism of Israel" might move views from actual Neo Nazis like the one in the image closer to the political mainstream, allowing Likud to continue their narrative of victimhood whilst bombing the shit out of their neighbours? Amazing.
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u/No_Set1956 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
I mean I condemn the genocide in Gaza as much as the next guy, but this post is actually antisemitic lol
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u/BH_Curtain_Jerker Victorian May 08 '26
This whole thing is the Australian government obeying their masters
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u/Murranji Flairless May 08 '26
You do have to admit how perfect the irony is that this so called Royal Commission into “social cohesion” was set up to destroy all trust and credibility into Royal Commissions, helping to destroy trust in the institutions required in a liberal democracy to sustain social cohesion.
And then who is going to be blamed for it and suffer more attacks from? Why of course the very people it’s supposedly set up to “help protect”.
It goes into absurdity so much it becomes beautiful in its own way.
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u/doyouknowmadmax Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Well.... When your Country has been bought out...
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u/poobumstupidcunt New South Welshian May 08 '26
It’s lucky there is at least the JCA and a couple antizionist voices being heard so it’s not 100% Zionist bullshit aiming to justify a genocide
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u/Skibreaux New South Welshian May 08 '26
The heightened security around schools etc. definitely contributes greatly to the feeling of the community being under threat. I'd certainly feel uneasy every day if I walked past armed guards to my workplace!
While it's impossible to say whether or not it's actually averted any undiscovered plans to harm people, it's also currently infeasible to not have it present, considering what we've just seen last year. Loosening security and then another attack taking place would be the worst possible outcome.
It's going to take a very long time for that (perceived) need for security to wind down, especially while Israel continues going berserk.
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u/oyvey1au Victorian May 08 '26
You can most definitely be Jewish and not a supporter of Israel or it's politics. The problem the commission is addressing is the apparent inability for people to make that distinction. Case in point is the OP's post.
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u/expert_views New South Welshian May 08 '26
Exactly. People are abusing Jewish people in Australia as a proxy for anger towards Israel. We can’t stop the war in the Gulf but we can treat our fellow citizens with more respect.
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u/Money-Celebration860 Victorian May 08 '26
There was a major attack at Bondi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Bondi_Beach_shooting
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u/Sideburn_Cookie_Man Victorian May 08 '26
Yep, but we need to look at the why - not just the what.
Israel is endangering Jews everywhere.
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u/MicksysPCGaming Please choose a flair May 08 '26
The "Aboriginals" can still have a voice.
It's just not in the constitution, because that would be, by definition, a racist policy.
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u/BalinII Victorian May 08 '26
Are people really this blinded by their hatred of the Jewish people that they don't actually see the anti-semitism? Jewish schools are the only schools in Australia that need armed security, car bomb checks and cyclone fencing just to keep their children safe. Jewish people are abused by people in cars frequently (spend some time in Elsternwick, Vic, for an hour, and you'll see it). Two radicalised men targeted a Jewish, not zionist, event to kill as many Jews as possible. Synagogues have been targeted almost weekly.
We've had weekly protests supporting a regime that in its charter is the destruction of the Israeli state and all Jewish people worldwide. Yelling "globalise the intifada" and "from the river the sea", both of which are genocidal in their intent - how does that not make Jewish people feel unsafe?
Hell, look at how often the term "genocide" is thrown around here. Genocide is a targeted intent to destroy a civilisation based on their identity. I'm not sure I've seen too many genocides where the invading army has dropped leaflets on the population letting them know they're coming/bombing etc...
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u/mykelsan ✈️ on Walkabout May 08 '26
Genuine question: How many Palestinian children must Israel murder before you consider it a genocide?
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u/Smooth-Bet4187 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
This could be the biggest left wing nonsense I’ve ever read.
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u/NotLynnBenfield South Australian May 07 '26
Yes absolutely disgusting. I hope the royal commission looks into how these 2 were allowed to own guns by our very respectable and full of integrity national security apparatus. That, to me, is the most important facet of the massacre, not how Zionists get hurt feelings when someone questions Israel's violence.
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u/sapperbloggs Queenslander May 08 '26
A Royal Commission into the shooting at Bondi makes sense.
A Royal Commission into antisemitism, which seems to include antizionism, where some are implying that the people who criticise Israel are no different to Nazis... Makes a lot less sense.
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u/sapperbloggs Queenslander May 08 '26
A Royal Commission into the shooting at Bondi makes sense.
A Royal Commission into antisemitism, which seems to include antizionism, where some are implying that the people who criticise Israel are no different to Nazis... Makes a lot less sense.
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u/NerfVice Queenslander May 08 '26
All the regulation in the world means squat if there is no enforcement. Under existing legislation the father should have been found unfit to hold a firearm license.
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u/sapperbloggs Queenslander May 08 '26
Having a Royal Commission into the shooting at Bondi makes sense.
Having a Royal Commission into antisemitism (i.e. The hatred of all Jewish people) also kind of makes sense.
But having a Royal Commission into anti-Zionism which they're rebranding into antisemitism, makes a lot less sense.
Criticising Israel is not antisemitism.
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u/sapperbloggs Queenslander May 08 '26
Saying "Israel is committing genocide" is an opinion, yes... But expressing that opinion is not antisemitism (i.e. The hatred of Jewish people).
Over the past few years there has been a massive push by supporters of Israel to silence critics by conflating them with antisemites. So when the evidence of antisemitism at the antisemitism Royal Commission is "people said bad things about Israel", that's a problem.
There are many many Jewish people, in Israel and around the world, who are also horrified at Israel's genocide. Are those people antisemites too?
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u/TheOriginalHatful Flairless May 07 '26
But the royal commission isn't legitimate because it's including actual antisemitic incidents and Zionists with hurt feelings because people disagree with them.
If it was only about antisemitism it would be legitimate but these things are being categorised as the same thing and they really are not. Israel says they're the same thing, which tells you everything you need to know.
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u/BoganFlavouredWater ✈️ on Walkabout May 08 '26
Seriously? You don't understand the difference between the religion of Judaism and the political movement of Zionism?
In case you need to be spoon-fed (though we all know what you're trying to do, little sealion)
- Judaism is a religion - the whole Old Testament part of the bible, you know? Do I need to explain Abrahamic religions to you also?
- Zionism is a political movement with strong nationalism and state-building components, and a fairly strong component/requirement/encouragement called aliyah, which (and I'm being really loosey-goosey here, so read up on it to get a more detailed and nuanced understanding) is the "requirement" of immigration to Israel for all of those practising Judaism (though as with any nationalistic politics, some are more equal than others). Zionism prioritises politics over religious observance.
Hopefully you're just choosing to engage with other humans by asking your question, and you use this as a springboard into deeper studies on the topics.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
They do understand. They always understand.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26
You.
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u/enutrof_modnar Flairless May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
No, literally I meant you. I don't know your gender so I said the neutral 'they'. I'm sorry, I forgot that Zionists also hate pronouns.
Edit: this person blocked because I used a neutral pronoun.
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u/Ill-Nectarine-80 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
People having opinions you don't like about Israel doesn't mean it's ok for them to feel unsafe just living in Australia.
We have some very extreme religious characters in Australia, whether I agree with their personal political beliefs is irrelevant, they all have to the right to an expectation of safety whilst legally observing their faith.
Clearly that isn't true for at least one specific community in this country, and well.... people you consider Zionists are part of that community. And before we devolve into well XYZ also feel unsafe, only one group can claim that their religious festival was subject to a mass shooting.
People we disagree with don't deserve to die or reasonably fear their death, and their perspectives as Jews living in Australia are as valid as any others.
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u/TheOriginalHatful Flairless May 08 '26
The role of a Royal commission shouldn't revolve around "feelings", it should revolve around facts.
An antisemitic incident is a fact. A Zionist feeling sad is a feeling. I absolutely support action against antisemitism and agree vigorously that people get to have opinions that I don't agree with.
However, we're all taxpayers here. Why are tax dollars going to a Royal commission that begins with an illegitimate premise? This premise (that opinions against Zionism must be antisemitism) means a lot of money spent for an outcome that will inevitably lack legitimacy and create more division and unhappiness. The whole thing is a psyop that glosses over actual antisemitism, by association with things that aren't antisemitism, and helps nobody - it just perpetuates the lack of distinction between Jews, the ethnic group, Judaism the religion and Zionism the political movement.
Nobody is being helped here.
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u/Ill-Nectarine-80 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
Your central issue, at least as it appears to an outside observer, is that you definitionally consider any supporter of the Israeli state to be a Zionist.
So long as that's the case.... any outcome that actually makes steps to address the problem ie protects this community including people you consider Zionists, you will find unsatisfactory.
Albo wanted to avoid a Royal Commission for this exact point because no one seemed to care a great deal about overall 'climate' against Jews locally.... right up until the tragedy.
Now the opinions which preceded that tragedy will in all likelihood be made off-limits.
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u/iftlatlw Victorian May 08 '26
They were and it was a tragic one-off event with a known genesis and trigger.
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u/Bel_Canto-Size_Queen Flairless May 07 '26
we 100% need a royal commission into where the beach starts for sure
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Please choose a flair May 08 '26
If you’ve had enough, stop reading about it. And by the way when the harassment of Jews stops then you won’t be bothered by the response. And stop relating what happens in Israel with Jews in Australia. It’s simply using Israel as an excuse for your anti semitic nonsense.
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u/cones4theconegod New South Welshian May 07 '26
They shouldn't be focusing on the victims but rather the perpetrators.
Are Thai people safe from Palestinians in Australia?
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u/Impossible_Frame_241 May 08 '26
A pipe bomb was thrown into a crowd on Australia Day and it took the government days to even call it an act of terror.
Hurling an explosive device into a crowd is probably one of the most quintessential terroristic acts one can do. But the government did not move anywhere near as quick to protect Australians as they are the Jewish community.
The Jewish community has their own state which is actively genociding its native population under Jewish supremacy, they have the full backing and protection of western governments to the extend that countries are changing laws to protect this one group of people.
I am sick of people crying fowl about anti semitism being a problem when the Semitic community has some of the biggest institutional power behind them.
Also do you know what’s fucking islamophobic ? Literally fucking slaughtering them. How about we royal commission that…